Knicks · Woj on KP and Phil and the Triangle (page 3)
holfresh wrote:crzymdups wrote:Also, this is the first line of the article, but it really needs to be highlighted. What the hell is Phil doing?
league sources say that some players emerged perplexed over the contents of the conversations – which included game-show questions. The Knicks president sent his team into the summer in a similar state as to how they staggered through another lost season: bewilderment.
Game show questions...hahahahahahahahahahaha..Can't make this up..
Heard he has something like this set up in his office...
crzymdups wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:crzymdups wrote:holfresh wrote:Phil basically said Rambis is the only one who knew how to run his offense equally as he does in the press conference..He said he has not "mentor" more next season...He said the same about Fisher(mentor)after season one..I said at the time Fisher was fired because he moved away from the Triangle and was told that was not true.
Fisher was a great young coach. It was clear Melo and KP respected the hell out of him. Phil's first MAJOR mistake was firing Fisher. I didn't love the Tyson trade, or giving away Shump and JR. But Fish rolled with it and had the team playing respectable, team ball last season. Melo's highest assist season of his career. KP looked like Rookie of the Year while Fisher was here. Phil fired him because he wouldn't run the Triangle enough and wouldn't let Phil in on his practices. Phil wants a puppet coach like Rambis or apparently Hornacek. It's been downhill since the Fisher firing, and the steering wheel has flown off at this point.
I would not go that far. He had a lot of in game and late game problems too. I do not care if he dated Barnes girl but he should not have left in the middle of training camp. What I will say that it did seem like after halftime when the knicks would get down Fisher would scrap the triangle and go with a more PnR based offense.
Yeah, he would run a 4/5 pick and roll with Melo and Rolo that was very effective. But he would save it for the 4th quarter. It allowed us to catch teams by surprise.
Ok, great young coach may be too strong.
But I thought he was a very promising young coach. And it really did seem like Melo trusted him, and KP, too.
I was mystified by his firing and I complained it seemed like he was being fired because he moved away from the Triangle at the time and some dudes here erupted in Phil support. Those same dudes were very pro-Rambis. Which is fine, except it turns out all the players hate Rambis, who has one of the worst winning percentages of any head coach ever.
Was he really considering Luke Walton as a coach at any point in time? Could not see him running the Triangle after being with GS.
CrushAlot wrote:crzymdups wrote:Also, this is the first line of the article, but it really needs to be highlighted. What the hell is Phil doing?Wow. WTF. Nalod, fwk, Nix please convince me all is good.
league sources say that some players emerged perplexed over the contents of the conversations – which included game-show questions. The Knicks president sent his team into the summer in a similar state as to how they staggered through another lost season: bewilderment.
Not exactly encouraging...
crzymdups wrote:holfresh wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:crzymdups wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:crzymdups wrote:holfresh wrote:Phil basically said Rambis is the only one who knew how to run his offense equally as he does in the press conference..He said he has not "mentor" more next season...He said the same about Fisher(mentor)after season one..I said at the time Fisher was fired because he moved away from the Triangle and was told that was not true.
Fisher was a great young coach. It was clear Melo and KP respected the hell out of him. Phil's first MAJOR mistake was firing Fisher. I didn't love the Tyson trade, or giving away Shump and JR. But Fish rolled with it and had the team playing respectable, team ball last season. Melo's highest assist season of his career. KP looked like Rookie of the Year while Fisher was here. Phil fired him because he wouldn't run the Triangle enough and wouldn't let Phil in on his practices. Phil wants a puppet coach like Rambis or apparently Hornacek. It's been downhill since the Fisher firing, and the steering wheel has flown off at this point.
I would not go that far. He had a lot of in game and late game problems too. I do not care if he dated Barnes girl but he should not have left in the middle of training camp. What I will say that it did seem like after halftime when the knicks would get down Fisher would scrap the triangle and go with a more PnR based offense.
Yeah, he would run a 4/5 pick and roll with Melo and Rolo that was very effective. But he would save it for the 4th quarter. It allowed us to catch teams by surprise.
Ok, great young coach may be too strong.
But I thought he was a very promising young coach. And it really did seem like Melo trusted him, and KP, too.
I was mystified by his firing and I complained it seemed like he was being fired because he moved away from the Triangle at the time and some dudes here erupted in Phil support. Those same dudes were very pro-Rambis. Which is fine, except it turns out all the players hate Rambis, who has one of the worst winning percentages of any head coach ever.
I agree he was fired because he moved away from the triangle plus Phil did it during the season so he could give Rambis a shot at the crown to show Dolan that Rambis is all he needed. What is really dumb about the whole Rambis situation is that Phil could have made him his head coach to start but chose to look elsewhere.
I am beginning to think that Melo eruption in March was not a dis at JH but a dig at Rambis only and that has got Phil angrier than ever.Yup, I read elsewhere that Melo said JH should have never changed his style of play...
Hornacek clearly lost the team when he said they were moving back to the Triangle. They lost all respect for him.
I feel bad for Hornacek. He was put in a terrible position by Phil. But he's kinda cooked at this rate. He has no chance unless Rambis is fired.
They were luke warm and complaining about Hornacek all year wrong, it had nothing to do with moving towards the triangle.
GustavBahler wrote:crzymdups wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:crzymdups wrote:holfresh wrote:Phil basically said Rambis is the only one who knew how to run his offense equally as he does in the press conference..He said he has not "mentor" more next season...He said the same about Fisher(mentor)after season one..I said at the time Fisher was fired because he moved away from the Triangle and was told that was not true.
Fisher was a great young coach. It was clear Melo and KP respected the hell out of him. Phil's first MAJOR mistake was firing Fisher. I didn't love the Tyson trade, or giving away Shump and JR. But Fish rolled with it and had the team playing respectable, team ball last season. Melo's highest assist season of his career. KP looked like Rookie of the Year while Fisher was here. Phil fired him because he wouldn't run the Triangle enough and wouldn't let Phil in on his practices. Phil wants a puppet coach like Rambis or apparently Hornacek. It's been downhill since the Fisher firing, and the steering wheel has flown off at this point.
I would not go that far. He had a lot of in game and late game problems too. I do not care if he dated Barnes girl but he should not have left in the middle of training camp. What I will say that it did seem like after halftime when the knicks would get down Fisher would scrap the triangle and go with a more PnR based offense.
Yeah, he would run a 4/5 pick and roll with Melo and Rolo that was very effective. But he would save it for the 4th quarter. It allowed us to catch teams by surprise.
Ok, great young coach may be too strong.
But I thought he was a very promising young coach. And it really did seem like Melo trusted him, and KP, too.
I was mystified by his firing and I complained it seemed like he was being fired because he moved away from the Triangle at the time and some dudes here erupted in Phil support. Those same dudes were very pro-Rambis. Which is fine, except it turns out all the players hate Rambis, who has one of the worst winning percentages of any head coach ever.
Fisher's biggest knock as coach is that he could never settle on a starting lineup. Even when he found one that was playing well together. His reasoning was that it helped players adapt for any situation, but all it did was cause confusion, noone could get settled in their roles. Phil hired him while he was still a player, no coaching search, not to mention his fond affection for another players' wifes's........
And he couldn't make a single in game adjustment
nixluva wrote:This article is very interesting. He writes that league sources say there's open rebellion against the Triangle but I don't see this from the way the players ended the season! The team was actually buying in and playing spirited Team Ball. Where are the indications that the players were in open revolt at that point???I'll say that this came from players like BJ and Melo's camps. Perhaps even Rose. Cuz KOQ, LT, Holiday, Baker, Randle, Kuz, Sasha, Noah, Willy, Ndour and Plumlee didn't say this crap!!! Is it even plausible that a major part of the team was against the Triangle? No I think there were a few instigators and we can pretty much guess who they are.
This team is going to have to purge "resistant" personnel as Phil said. The INMATES aren't running things. The team will be adding more young players who will also be more receptive to Coaching. This is some straight BS from a few guys that don't get it and never will.
I'd say the critics behind this article are melo, Rose, Courtney Lee
TripleThreat wrote:crzymdups wrote:So in summary:Phil's brilliant press conference performance has made Melo dig in and want to outlast Phil.
Give me a break.Melo won't waive his NTC because he wants a zero pressure situation to play his brand of selfish ball while focusing on selling handbags and cologne and cell phones or whatever the hell else he wants with his BS "branding" routine.
Where is all this indignation from Melo when an opposing player blows by him because of Anthony's apathetic failure to even have basic defense?
There are some great quotes from Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen that they took it personally when an opposing offensive player had a good game against them or even scored against them.
So he's indignant when someone says, will you finally play some mother f**king defense you dumb dolt of a ball hog?
But he's got nothing to say on the court when he's a human turnstile?
Classic example of a person with TOO MUCH PRIDE BUT HAS ZERO DIGNITY.
"My pride is so so soooooo hurt because you said BIG MEANIE THINGS ABOUT ME!" ( You know like do your job, act like a leader, put in actual effort, think about something other than your own damn self all the time on a team)
But not so much dignity as to simply give everything you've got on the court, to take responsibility for being a professional and a veteran.
There was a documentary about a guy who was like 1200 pounds. He couldn't maintain that weight, except his family ENABLED HIM to stay that way by basically breaking the bank to feed him thousands of calories a day while he was immobile like Jabba The Hutt. Dude just got comfortable in his own misery.
Just enabling Melo by saying nothing when he doesn't play the right way is only ENABLING that kind of behavior. It's toxic for the entire team. The Knicks for too long have given Melo everything he's wanted. Maybe it's finally time to tell him to go pack his trash.
If you don't have the DIGNITY to act like a true professional ( you know, actually give MAX EFFORT) , then don't complain when your PRIDE gets butt hurt.
Melo is hands down the SOFTEST player we have ever have- I have never seen anything like it, the way he has reacted to phil saying he doesn't defend and he holds the ball- it is pathetic! He can't handle even basic truth- he just wants to be allowed to do whatever he wants with no criticism about it what so ever. And all his talk about how people should say stuff to his face not to the press- he's passively aggressively laid into Hornacek all season long.
The only coach Melo liked was Woody because Woody let him do whatever he wanted (literally).
crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:This article is very interesting. He writes that league sources say there's open rebellion against the Triangle but I don't see this from the way the players ended the season! The team was actually buying in and playing spirited Team Ball. Where are the indications that the players were in open revolt at that point???I'll say that this came from players like BJ and Melo's camps. Perhaps even Rose. Cuz KOQ, LT, Holiday, Baker, Randle, Kuz, Sasha, Noah, Willy, Ndour and Plumlee didn't say this crap!!! Is it even plausible that a major part of the team was against the Triangle? No I think there were a few instigators and we can pretty much guess who they are.
This team is going to have to purge "resistant" personnel as Phil said. The INMATES aren't running things. The team will be adding more young players who will also be more receptive to Coaching. This is some straight BS from a few guys that don't get it and never will.
I notice you didn't mention Kristaps Porzingis.
Do I have to keep posting what KP said about the Triangle??? How many times have I posted KP's feelings about the Triangle before it's accepted as fact?
“We’re starting to learn it now the way we should [and] we should have been playing from the beginning of the season,” Porzingis said “So we’re a little behind. But every game we’re getting a little better. Hopefully, I don’t know when, we can start using it properly and making some impact playing it.”http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball...Porzingis, who returned Wednesday night after missing the past two games with a sprained right ankle, is happy the Knicks have gone back to utilizing more triangle since returning from the All-Star break last week. His opinion matters since the Knicks will be building around Porzingis.
Coach Jeff Hornacek said a goal for the rest of this season is to “continue to grow the offense,” and that the Knicks would evaluate players on whether they can play in it.
“I like the triangle,” Porzingis said. “My first season, the whole first season we played nothing but the triangle so I know it pretty well. I like the offense. It can only work if everybody believes in it and everybody executes it the right way.”
Do I have to keep posting the article that this thread is about?
The point is that there isn't likely to be any "open rebellion" against the Triangle when most of the players including KP don't have a problem executing the Triangle! COME ON man. We know who the trouble makers probably are.
Remember when Melo said - "the writing is on the wall. I know what it is, but you don't"? I think we're starting to see the writing. Melo has KP on his side. That's a power move. Melo plays chess, after all. He just got the King on his side. Phil better watch out.
Do you honestly think we're in better shape if Phil is fired and Melo stays as the centre piece of the franchise, with the new Gm letting him do whatever he wants to repair the relationship? That from it KP learns is fine to blow off exit interviews and trash the organization to get what he wants? That the new GM reverses course and to appease melo abandons rebuilding and tries to win this season?
smackeddog wrote:TripleThreat wrote:crzymdups wrote:So in summary:Phil's brilliant press conference performance has made Melo dig in and want to outlast Phil.
Give me a break.Melo won't waive his NTC because he wants a zero pressure situation to play his brand of selfish ball while focusing on selling handbags and cologne and cell phones or whatever the hell else he wants with his BS "branding" routine.
Where is all this indignation from Melo when an opposing player blows by him because of Anthony's apathetic failure to even have basic defense?
There are some great quotes from Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen that they took it personally when an opposing offensive player had a good game against them or even scored against them.
So he's indignant when someone says, will you finally play some mother f**king defense you dumb dolt of a ball hog?
But he's got nothing to say on the court when he's a human turnstile?
Classic example of a person with TOO MUCH PRIDE BUT HAS ZERO DIGNITY.
"My pride is so so soooooo hurt because you said BIG MEANIE THINGS ABOUT ME!" ( You know like do your job, act like a leader, put in actual effort, think about something other than your own damn self all the time on a team)
But not so much dignity as to simply give everything you've got on the court, to take responsibility for being a professional and a veteran.
There was a documentary about a guy who was like 1200 pounds. He couldn't maintain that weight, except his family ENABLED HIM to stay that way by basically breaking the bank to feed him thousands of calories a day while he was immobile like Jabba The Hutt. Dude just got comfortable in his own misery.
Just enabling Melo by saying nothing when he doesn't play the right way is only ENABLING that kind of behavior. It's toxic for the entire team. The Knicks for too long have given Melo everything he's wanted. Maybe it's finally time to tell him to go pack his trash.
If you don't have the DIGNITY to act like a true professional ( you know, actually give MAX EFFORT) , then don't complain when your PRIDE gets butt hurt.
Melo is hands down the SOFTEST player we have ever have- I have never seen anything like it, the way he has reacted to phil saying he doesn't defend and he holds the ball- it is pathetic! He can't handle even basic truth- he just wants to be allowed to do whatever he wants with no criticism about it what so ever. And all his talk about how people should say stuff to his face not to the press- he's passively aggressively laid into Hornacek all season long.
The only coach Melo liked was Woody because Woody let him do whatever he wanted (literally).
Yeah it's true.
This is what KP said about the Triangle during the season
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/kristaps-porzingis-a-fan-of-the-knicks-triangle-offense-1.13193523
In that article DIRECT quotes from KP on Triangle
1 "We should have ran Triangle all season"
2 "We would be better team with Triangle I ran it all last season"
3 "I like the Triangle"
When Knicks went to Triangle post all-star break, KP got better looks, closer to the basket, his usage went up and his 3 ball was cold. If he hits his 3 ball like he was early in the season (40%) he would be averaging 22 points in the Triangle. The month of March was KP's 2nd best month of the season. All in the Triangle.
Again, there is little evidence that KP dislikes the Triangle. What he dislikes is the constant shifting, the constant drama, the lack of consistency from the coaches and the Melo drama. All combined with the losing. He wants a break from this BS.
Woj and others will make this about the Triangle, it has little to do with that. What did KP say right before he left to Latvia? in his last post game interview of the year he said "I'm gonna look to become bigger, add much more muscle, live in the weight room". He totally gets that he has to get bigger, stronger and play better in the post. He already has the perimeter game, he needs the post game that the Triangle gives him.
The Triangle is a great offense for KP. It's not a good offense for a PG that likes to keep the ball in his hands for long stretches or an isolation heavy player who lets the ball stick. KP is neither of those players.
I don't blame Melo for KP's lack of professionalism or actions, but blaming the Triangle is weak sauce. This is much bigger than that. Losing, drama, lack of coaching consistency (3 coaches in 2 years) and his own body not holding up the way he wants. Kid's going to come back a monster next year, write that down. This is one super motivated player.
If I were Phil I would address every BS report once a month. He does very little press, and lets things grow into people believing it's a truth.
Now Woj has us believing that the same KP that said the team needed to run the Triangle ALL SEASON, is the same guy who is rebelling against it? He said he liked the Triangle and the team should have ran it from day 1. Guess that just slipped by the anti-Phil agenda.
People like Woj will be bashing the next Knicks guy after Phil as well. It's what they do. Knick fans should be smarter than to fall for it. Phil has a plan to re-build. It will suck for a few years, but once the draft picks are fully developed, the team will be in a good place. Much better place than when Phil first got to the team. Now one can say well why pay Phil 12 million a year to do something most executives could do, well that's on Dolan. And I think Dolan likes that all the heat shits to Phil.
End of the day, KP's coming back to the Knicks in better shape. He's got to get away from the drama and the constant whining from the vets. Why do young players like Baker, NDour, Willy, Randle, or role players like Thomas, Sasha and them play well and give a hard effort regardless of what's going on? Too many egos on the Knicks team this past year. Too many guys that want to score individually. KP was one of them. He needs to develop. Become a better leader and player. This is part of growing up. One thing Phil must do is follow through on his plans on trading Melo, and getting rid of the drama and black cloud surrounding the team. Go all out on a rebuild. Lets see what happens after that.
CrushAlot wrote:crzymdups wrote:Also, this is the first line of the article, but it really needs to be highlighted. What the hell is Phil doing?Wow. WTF. Nalod, fwk, Nix please convince me all is good.
league sources say that some players emerged perplexed over the contents of the conversations – which included game-show questions. The Knicks president sent his team into the summer in a similar state as to how they staggered through another lost season: bewilderment.
IQ test.
About time. If they're perplexed they need to get with a coach and learn the system.
Not everybody belongs in the NBA. Can't play defense - the D-league is where you belong. That includes Melo.
crzymdups wrote:As the New York Knicks completed perfunctory season-ending meetings with Phil Jackson, league sources say that some players emerged perplexed over the contents of the conversations – which included game-show questions. The Knicks president sent his team into the summer in a similar state as to how they staggered through another lost season: bewilderment.As Jackson publicly pushed for Carmelo Anthony to waive his no-trade clause and accept a move out of New York on Friday and disparaged coach Jeff Hornacek’s connectivity to the locker room, a bigger issue emerged: Kristaps Porzingis made a stand about the unprofessionalism and routine chaos that has lorded over his work environment.
Porzingis passed on the exit interviews, as ESPN’s Ian Begley first reported, and league sources say Porzingis is planning a long trip back to Latvia that may not include a return to New York until closer to the start of training camp.
Porzingis isn’t alone. Players are privately fuming that they want no part of the organization’s summer slate of triangle offense regimen at the team’s suburban New York practice facility, league sources told The Vertical. In reality, there’s an open rebellion to the triangle – for the offense itself, and by extension, the discord and dysfunction that it’s implementation has burdened upon everyone.
It isn’t only Jackson’s laborious organizational emails about the triangle – demands of emphasis on schooling players on the reverse pivot move, or the proper passing techniques – but his increasing insistence on the coaching staff and players that the obsolete offense become fully functional for the 2017-18 season.
Inside and outside the Knicks, people see a franchise in disrepair: Jackson’s open war with Anthony, the failed trade for Derrick Rose and the $72 million contract albatross of a broken-down Joakim Noah. Players grumble of a support staff that is far more concerned about creating an illusion of hard work with management and ownership than facilitating winning, a media-relations staff that is suffocating and intrusive, and a management/coaching dynamic that’s made Hornacek look like a puppet.
Beyond moving Anthony out of town, Jackson sees the resolution of the franchise’s issues through the prism of an offense the coaches don’t want to teach and that the players don’t want to run.
“To Phil, the culture is the triangle,” a league source involved in the dynamic told The Vertical.
After his first season as Knicks coach, Hornacek is still trying to incorporate a system that is foreign to him, armed with a Jackson-installed assistant coach, Kurt Rambis, who is beyond unpopular with the players, league sources said. When players want coaching and teaching, they get yelling, sources said. Most wonder about Rambis’ allegiances, because after all, he’s Jackson’s guy, not Hornacek’s.
The Knicks will revisit Anthony trade talks closer to the NBA draft in June, but Jackson’s strategy of publicly pushing Anthony out of town has backfired. So far, it’s made Anthony want to dig in to the final two years left on his contract and outlast Jackson’s regime.
For the Knicks and Jackson, though, Porzingis’ growing disillusionment threatens the Knicks’ flimsy foundation. Two years ago, Porzingis walked into New York as an earnest, eager 7-foot-3 talent who has been relentless in his work habits and appetite for professional growth. He trusted former coach Derek Fisher and the individual instruction delivered to him, league sources said. Beyond Jackson’s anger with Fisher moving away from the triangle, there were disagreements about how to use Porzingis in the offense and about how to approach his skill development, league sources said.
After Fisher’s firing, Jackson made Rambis the interim head coach and pushed for his longtime aide to become the permanent head coach until pressure inside and outside the organization forced Jackson to abandon the plan. Jackson hired Hornacek, who had been fired in Phoenix and had no leverage to command the chance to run his own system, or dispatch Rambis from the coaching staff.
Porzingis has educated himself on how successful NBA organizations are run and knows now that the Knicks – from ownership to management to coaching – are nowhere near delivering him the platform to develop into the cornerstone of a winning team.
It is possible that Porzingis will connect with Jackson before he departs for the summer, but he appears in no rush. Porzingis has been a dutiful teammate and employee for two seasons, but the franchise’s most important player since Patrick Ewing is preparing for his third NBA season across the world – far from Phil Jackson, the triangle and the chaos of the Knicks organization.
For now, Porzingis’ message appears to be unmistakable for New York’s lost cause of an organization: You’re on the clock with me, too.
Time for Phil to flush.
crzymdups wrote:So in summary:Phil's brilliant press conference performance has made Melo dig in and want to outlast Phil.
KP is furious with Phil's unprofessionalism, still mad that Fisher was fired, doesn't like Rambis.
Rambis is coaching the Triangle, yelling at players, the players all hate his guts. (you guys wonder why I didn't want him as coach??)
The players think Hornacek is a puppet, don't respect him.
A large portion of the team hates the Triangle and is in "open rebellion". Players want no part of summer Triangle workshops.
Phil is obsessed with installing the Triangle above all else, as I have said from Day One with this old fool. He's here to prove the Triangle works. He even said in his press conference he's not here to win a championship. He's here to validate the Triangle.
KP has put Phil on notice and is not intending to talk to him all summer. Wow. Wow. Wow.
How can any of you dudes still support Phil or pretend he is doing a good job? This is a nightmare. If he loses KP, he should be run out of town on a rail. And it sounds like he is on the verge of losing KP mentally.
KP needs to read the rules of the NBA road. The players wrote a CBA that gives teams an advantage in locking up their players.
KP maybe hadn't noticed - but I did - that he was being outplayed by second-rounders during the year. His lack of defense and lack of position is an issue.
Quite frankly Hernangomez was outplaying KP and the announcers noticed as well. If at the age of, what?, 21 KP and his wannabe tough-guy posing is the answer - what's the question?
wargames wrote:smackeddog wrote:TripleThreat wrote:crzymdups wrote:So in summary:Phil's brilliant press conference performance has made Melo dig in and want to outlast Phil.
Give me a break.Melo won't waive his NTC because he wants a zero pressure situation to play his brand of selfish ball while focusing on selling handbags and cologne and cell phones or whatever the hell else he wants with his BS "branding" routine.
Where is all this indignation from Melo when an opposing player blows by him because of Anthony's apathetic failure to even have basic defense?
There are some great quotes from Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen that they took it personally when an opposing offensive player had a good game against them or even scored against them.
So he's indignant when someone says, will you finally play some mother f**king defense you dumb dolt of a ball hog?
But he's got nothing to say on the court when he's a human turnstile?
Classic example of a person with TOO MUCH PRIDE BUT HAS ZERO DIGNITY.
"My pride is so so soooooo hurt because you said BIG MEANIE THINGS ABOUT ME!" ( You know like do your job, act like a leader, put in actual effort, think about something other than your own damn self all the time on a team)
But not so much dignity as to simply give everything you've got on the court, to take responsibility for being a professional and a veteran.
There was a documentary about a guy who was like 1200 pounds. He couldn't maintain that weight, except his family ENABLED HIM to stay that way by basically breaking the bank to feed him thousands of calories a day while he was immobile like Jabba The Hutt. Dude just got comfortable in his own misery.
Just enabling Melo by saying nothing when he doesn't play the right way is only ENABLING that kind of behavior. It's toxic for the entire team. The Knicks for too long have given Melo everything he's wanted. Maybe it's finally time to tell him to go pack his trash.
If you don't have the DIGNITY to act like a true professional ( you know, actually give MAX EFFORT) , then don't complain when your PRIDE gets butt hurt.
Melo is hands down the SOFTEST player we have ever have- I have never seen anything like it, the way he has reacted to phil saying he doesn't defend and he holds the ball- it is pathetic! He can't handle even basic truth- he just wants to be allowed to do whatever he wants with no criticism about it what so ever. And all his talk about how people should say stuff to his face not to the press- he's passively aggressively laid into Hornacek all season long.
The only coach Melo liked was Woody because Woody let him do whatever he wanted (literally).
Yeah it's true.
Melo is playing a racism card with the coaching staff and using the Triangle as some kind of slight of hand. His agenda is a black coaching staff who will kiss his arse. Sad. Lebron pulled the same thing in Cleveland. Its becoming a status symbol for the super-friends crowd.
fwk00 wrote:wargames wrote:smackeddog wrote:TripleThreat wrote:crzymdups wrote:So in summary:Phil's brilliant press conference performance has made Melo dig in and want to outlast Phil.
Give me a break.Melo won't waive his NTC because he wants a zero pressure situation to play his brand of selfish ball while focusing on selling handbags and cologne and cell phones or whatever the hell else he wants with his BS "branding" routine.
Where is all this indignation from Melo when an opposing player blows by him because of Anthony's apathetic failure to even have basic defense?
There are some great quotes from Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen that they took it personally when an opposing offensive player had a good game against them or even scored against them.
So he's indignant when someone says, will you finally play some mother f**king defense you dumb dolt of a ball hog?
But he's got nothing to say on the court when he's a human turnstile?
Classic example of a person with TOO MUCH PRIDE BUT HAS ZERO DIGNITY.
"My pride is so so soooooo hurt because you said BIG MEANIE THINGS ABOUT ME!" ( You know like do your job, act like a leader, put in actual effort, think about something other than your own damn self all the time on a team)
But not so much dignity as to simply give everything you've got on the court, to take responsibility for being a professional and a veteran.
There was a documentary about a guy who was like 1200 pounds. He couldn't maintain that weight, except his family ENABLED HIM to stay that way by basically breaking the bank to feed him thousands of calories a day while he was immobile like Jabba The Hutt. Dude just got comfortable in his own misery.
Just enabling Melo by saying nothing when he doesn't play the right way is only ENABLING that kind of behavior. It's toxic for the entire team. The Knicks for too long have given Melo everything he's wanted. Maybe it's finally time to tell him to go pack his trash.
If you don't have the DIGNITY to act like a true professional ( you know, actually give MAX EFFORT) , then don't complain when your PRIDE gets butt hurt.
Melo is hands down the SOFTEST player we have ever have- I have never seen anything like it, the way he has reacted to phil saying he doesn't defend and he holds the ball- it is pathetic! He can't handle even basic truth- he just wants to be allowed to do whatever he wants with no criticism about it what so ever. And all his talk about how people should say stuff to his face not to the press- he's passively aggressively laid into Hornacek all season long.
The only coach Melo liked was Woody because Woody let him do whatever he wanted (literally).
Yeah it's true.
Melo is playing a racism card with the coaching staff and using the Triangle as some kind of slight of hand. His agenda is a black coaching staff who will kiss his arse. Sad. Lebron pulled the same thing in Cleveland. Its becoming a status symbol for the super-friends crowd.
Come on, you are letting this escape your control..Pull it back together...
Now I do believe some players don't like Rambis. The Triangle isn't hard for Bigs to begin with. The PG's are the ones that have a lot of technical decisions to make. So that leaves Rose and BJ as the main culprits. Thing is they're not running jack squat.
holfresh wrote:fwk00 wrote:wargames wrote:smackeddog wrote:TripleThreat wrote:crzymdups wrote:So in summary:Phil's brilliant press conference performance has made Melo dig in and want to outlast Phil.
Give me a break.Melo won't waive his NTC because he wants a zero pressure situation to play his brand of selfish ball while focusing on selling handbags and cologne and cell phones or whatever the hell else he wants with his BS "branding" routine.
Where is all this indignation from Melo when an opposing player blows by him because of Anthony's apathetic failure to even have basic defense?
There are some great quotes from Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen that they took it personally when an opposing offensive player had a good game against them or even scored against them.
So he's indignant when someone says, will you finally play some mother f**king defense you dumb dolt of a ball hog?
But he's got nothing to say on the court when he's a human turnstile?
Classic example of a person with TOO MUCH PRIDE BUT HAS ZERO DIGNITY.
"My pride is so so soooooo hurt because you said BIG MEANIE THINGS ABOUT ME!" ( You know like do your job, act like a leader, put in actual effort, think about something other than your own damn self all the time on a team)
But not so much dignity as to simply give everything you've got on the court, to take responsibility for being a professional and a veteran.
There was a documentary about a guy who was like 1200 pounds. He couldn't maintain that weight, except his family ENABLED HIM to stay that way by basically breaking the bank to feed him thousands of calories a day while he was immobile like Jabba The Hutt. Dude just got comfortable in his own misery.
Just enabling Melo by saying nothing when he doesn't play the right way is only ENABLING that kind of behavior. It's toxic for the entire team. The Knicks for too long have given Melo everything he's wanted. Maybe it's finally time to tell him to go pack his trash.
If you don't have the DIGNITY to act like a true professional ( you know, actually give MAX EFFORT) , then don't complain when your PRIDE gets butt hurt.
Melo is hands down the SOFTEST player we have ever have- I have never seen anything like it, the way he has reacted to phil saying he doesn't defend and he holds the ball- it is pathetic! He can't handle even basic truth- he just wants to be allowed to do whatever he wants with no criticism about it what so ever. And all his talk about how people should say stuff to his face not to the press- he's passively aggressively laid into Hornacek all season long.
The only coach Melo liked was Woody because Woody let him do whatever he wanted (literally).
Yeah it's true.
Melo is playing a racism card with the coaching staff and using the Triangle as some kind of slight of hand. His agenda is a black coaching staff who will kiss his arse. Sad. Lebron pulled the same thing in Cleveland. Its becoming a status symbol for the super-friends crowd.
Come on, you are letting this escape your control..Pull it back together...
Open your eyes.
fwk00 wrote:holfresh wrote:fwk00 wrote:wargames wrote:smackeddog wrote:TripleThreat wrote:crzymdups wrote:So in summary:Phil's brilliant press conference performance has made Melo dig in and want to outlast Phil.
Give me a break.Melo won't waive his NTC because he wants a zero pressure situation to play his brand of selfish ball while focusing on selling handbags and cologne and cell phones or whatever the hell else he wants with his BS "branding" routine.
Where is all this indignation from Melo when an opposing player blows by him because of Anthony's apathetic failure to even have basic defense?
There are some great quotes from Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen that they took it personally when an opposing offensive player had a good game against them or even scored against them.
So he's indignant when someone says, will you finally play some mother f**king defense you dumb dolt of a ball hog?
But he's got nothing to say on the court when he's a human turnstile?
Classic example of a person with TOO MUCH PRIDE BUT HAS ZERO DIGNITY.
"My pride is so so soooooo hurt because you said BIG MEANIE THINGS ABOUT ME!" ( You know like do your job, act like a leader, put in actual effort, think about something other than your own damn self all the time on a team)
But not so much dignity as to simply give everything you've got on the court, to take responsibility for being a professional and a veteran.
There was a documentary about a guy who was like 1200 pounds. He couldn't maintain that weight, except his family ENABLED HIM to stay that way by basically breaking the bank to feed him thousands of calories a day while he was immobile like Jabba The Hutt. Dude just got comfortable in his own misery.
Just enabling Melo by saying nothing when he doesn't play the right way is only ENABLING that kind of behavior. It's toxic for the entire team. The Knicks for too long have given Melo everything he's wanted. Maybe it's finally time to tell him to go pack his trash.
If you don't have the DIGNITY to act like a true professional ( you know, actually give MAX EFFORT) , then don't complain when your PRIDE gets butt hurt.
Melo is hands down the SOFTEST player we have ever have- I have never seen anything like it, the way he has reacted to phil saying he doesn't defend and he holds the ball- it is pathetic! He can't handle even basic truth- he just wants to be allowed to do whatever he wants with no criticism about it what so ever. And all his talk about how people should say stuff to his face not to the press- he's passively aggressively laid into Hornacek all season long.
The only coach Melo liked was Woody because Woody let him do whatever he wanted (literally).
Yeah it's true.
Melo is playing a racism card with the coaching staff and using the Triangle as some kind of slight of hand. His agenda is a black coaching staff who will kiss his arse. Sad. Lebron pulled the same thing in Cleveland. Its becoming a status symbol for the super-friends crowd.
Come on, you are letting this escape your control..Pull it back together...
Open your eyes.
Now who is playing the race card...
smackeddog wrote:TripleThreat wrote:crzymdups wrote:So in summary:Phil's brilliant press conference performance has made Melo dig in and want to outlast Phil.
Give me a break.Melo won't waive his NTC because he wants a zero pressure situation to play his brand of selfish ball while focusing on selling handbags and cologne and cell phones or whatever the hell else he wants with his BS "branding" routine.
Where is all this indignation from Melo when an opposing player blows by him because of Anthony's apathetic failure to even have basic defense?
There are some great quotes from Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen that they took it personally when an opposing offensive player had a good game against them or even scored against them.
So he's indignant when someone says, will you finally play some mother f**king defense you dumb dolt of a ball hog?
But he's got nothing to say on the court when he's a human turnstile?
Classic example of a person with TOO MUCH PRIDE BUT HAS ZERO DIGNITY.
"My pride is so so soooooo hurt because you said BIG MEANIE THINGS ABOUT ME!" ( You know like do your job, act like a leader, put in actual effort, think about something other than your own damn self all the time on a team)
But not so much dignity as to simply give everything you've got on the court, to take responsibility for being a professional and a veteran.
There was a documentary about a guy who was like 1200 pounds. He couldn't maintain that weight, except his family ENABLED HIM to stay that way by basically breaking the bank to feed him thousands of calories a day while he was immobile like Jabba The Hutt. Dude just got comfortable in his own misery.
Just enabling Melo by saying nothing when he doesn't play the right way is only ENABLING that kind of behavior. It's toxic for the entire team. The Knicks for too long have given Melo everything he's wanted. Maybe it's finally time to tell him to go pack his trash.
If you don't have the DIGNITY to act like a true professional ( you know, actually give MAX EFFORT) , then don't complain when your PRIDE gets butt hurt.
Melo is hands down the SOFTEST player we have ever have- I have never seen anything like it, the way he has reacted to phil saying he doesn't defend and he holds the ball- it is pathetic! He can't handle even basic truth- he just wants to be allowed to do whatever he wants with no criticism about it what so ever. And all his talk about how people should say stuff to his face not to the press- he's passively aggressively laid into Hornacek all season long.
The only coach Melo liked was Woody because Woody let him do whatever he wanted (literally).
Welcome to 2017, the year of the snowflake.
This franchise is rotten to the core. I just pray someone rich enough who loves the Knicks is going to step up and offer Dolan silly money to sell. It's our only chance of a successful future.