Knicks · If the Knicks can get Josh Jackson for KP--go for it (page 6)
awe1028 wrote:The speculation by every media member I have heard talk about Rose's AWOL was that he flipped out when the Knicks told him they were not going to give him a contract extension at that time. I don't know that either story has benn confirmed.VCoug wrote:awe1028 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:doomed wrote:awe1028 wrote:Jmpasq wrote:awe1028 wrote:According to this article the Knicks were contacted by Phoenix about Porzingis. Phil Jackson asked for Devin Booker and the #4 pick in return.
Would be a great trade for usI do this trade in a heart beat. I love KP as do everyone here. But his behavior since the season has ended demonstrates to me anyway a guy who has gotten a big head. I am not hankering to trade him but if they can get this kind of package bye KP
Everyone's behavior here turns bad eventually. I wonder why?
KP is a squeaky clean and near perfect prospect for this franchise and already the fans and lunatic gm are entertaining notions of moving on. I'd be speechless if I wasn't so mad at some of the fans who can't see what's really wrong here. It isn't KP!!! I can't even imagine the crap going on at msg behind closed doors and neither can you. Just know it's a circus. That I am certain of and whether you want to admit it or not you are too. We all know it. Dolan and jackson together is An Unholy abomination. This frickin franchise needs an exorcism and an enema, in that order.
Yeah, trade KP. Just great. He's the problem here. Sure he is.
+1He blew off the exit interview and has refused to communicate with the Knicks throughout the off season. This is not "squeaky clean". Anybody else on the team did this and that player would be crucified on this board. Rose left supposedly for family reasons and he was destroyed KP leaves and refuses to communicate because WAA WAA he does not like what the Knicks are doing and people are making excuses to explain his behavior.
I will agree his missing the interview is not enough by itself to consider trading him. However did you see the possible return: Devin Booker and the # 4 pick. As I said in my earlier post I am not hankering to trade him but given the possible return the fact that he is acting like a big old baby WAA, WAA it makes a trade easier to accept
Rose left during the season, right before a game, and nobody had any idea where he was or what he was doing. Let me know when KP does that and then we can compare.
Rose left because there was some crisis in his family. According to reports the crisis was so severe that he contemplated and had to be talked out of retiring. While this does not justify his leaving it is certainly understandable.
What was KP's reason: WAA,WAA I don't like what's going on with the Knicks WAA,WAA.
So Let me get this straight: Rose left because of a crisis in his family and he actually apologized for what he did and he is brutally criticized. KP leaves because WAA WAA I don't like what the Knicks are doing. He then compounds the problem by not apologizing and refusing to communicate with the team and he gets a pass. SMH at the lengths to which people will go in their hypocrisy.
awe1028 wrote:VCoug wrote:awe1028 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:doomed wrote:awe1028 wrote:Jmpasq wrote:awe1028 wrote:According to this article the Knicks were contacted by Phoenix about Porzingis. Phil Jackson asked for Devin Booker and the #4 pick in return.
Would be a great trade for usI do this trade in a heart beat. I love KP as do everyone here. But his behavior since the season has ended demonstrates to me anyway a guy who has gotten a big head. I am not hankering to trade him but if they can get this kind of package bye KP
Everyone's behavior here turns bad eventually. I wonder why?
KP is a squeaky clean and near perfect prospect for this franchise and already the fans and lunatic gm are entertaining notions of moving on. I'd be speechless if I wasn't so mad at some of the fans who can't see what's really wrong here. It isn't KP!!! I can't even imagine the crap going on at msg behind closed doors and neither can you. Just know it's a circus. That I am certain of and whether you want to admit it or not you are too. We all know it. Dolan and jackson together is An Unholy abomination. This frickin franchise needs an exorcism and an enema, in that order.
Yeah, trade KP. Just great. He's the problem here. Sure he is.
+1He blew off the exit interview and has refused to communicate with the Knicks throughout the off season. This is not "squeaky clean". Anybody else on the team did this and that player would be crucified on this board. Rose left supposedly for family reasons and he was destroyed KP leaves and refuses to communicate because WAA WAA he does not like what the Knicks are doing and people are making excuses to explain his behavior.
I will agree his missing the interview is not enough by itself to consider trading him. However did you see the possible return: Devin Booker and the # 4 pick. As I said in my earlier post I am not hankering to trade him but given the possible return the fact that he is acting like a big old baby WAA, WAA it makes a trade easier to accept
Rose left during the season, right before a game, and nobody had any idea where he was or what he was doing. Let me know when KP does that and then we can compare.
Rose left because there was some crisis in his family. According to reports the crisis was so severe that he contemplated and had to be talked out of retiring. While this does not justify his leaving it is certainly understandable.
What was KP's reason: WAA,WAA I don't like what's going on with the Knicks WAA,WAA.
So Let me get this straight: Rose left because of a crisis in his family and he actually apologized for what he did and he is brutally criticized. KP leaves because WAA WAA I don't like what the Knicks are doing. He then compounds the problem by not apologizing and refusing to communicate with the team and he gets a pass. SMH at the lengths to which people will go in their hypocrisy.
Just clarifying, in your scenario, a regular season game equals an exit interview? They're roughly equal?
CrushAlot wrote:awe1028 wrote:The speculation by every media member I have heard talk about Rose's AWOL was that he flipped out when the Knicks told him they were not going to give him a contract extension at that time. I don't know that either story has benn confirmed.VCoug wrote:awe1028 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:doomed wrote:awe1028 wrote:Jmpasq wrote:awe1028 wrote:According to this article the Knicks were contacted by Phoenix about Porzingis. Phil Jackson asked for Devin Booker and the #4 pick in return.
Would be a great trade for usI do this trade in a heart beat. I love KP as do everyone here. But his behavior since the season has ended demonstrates to me anyway a guy who has gotten a big head. I am not hankering to trade him but if they can get this kind of package bye KP
Everyone's behavior here turns bad eventually. I wonder why?
KP is a squeaky clean and near perfect prospect for this franchise and already the fans and lunatic gm are entertaining notions of moving on. I'd be speechless if I wasn't so mad at some of the fans who can't see what's really wrong here. It isn't KP!!! I can't even imagine the crap going on at msg behind closed doors and neither can you. Just know it's a circus. That I am certain of and whether you want to admit it or not you are too. We all know it. Dolan and jackson together is An Unholy abomination. This frickin franchise needs an exorcism and an enema, in that order.
Yeah, trade KP. Just great. He's the problem here. Sure he is.
+1He blew off the exit interview and has refused to communicate with the Knicks throughout the off season. This is not "squeaky clean". Anybody else on the team did this and that player would be crucified on this board. Rose left supposedly for family reasons and he was destroyed KP leaves and refuses to communicate because WAA WAA he does not like what the Knicks are doing and people are making excuses to explain his behavior.
I will agree his missing the interview is not enough by itself to consider trading him. However did you see the possible return: Devin Booker and the # 4 pick. As I said in my earlier post I am not hankering to trade him but given the possible return the fact that he is acting like a big old baby WAA, WAA it makes a trade easier to accept
Rose left during the season, right before a game, and nobody had any idea where he was or what he was doing. Let me know when KP does that and then we can compare.
Rose left because there was some crisis in his family. According to reports the crisis was so severe that he contemplated and had to be talked out of retiring. While this does not justify his leaving it is certainly understandable.
What was KP's reason: WAA,WAA I don't like what's going on with the Knicks WAA,WAA.
So Let me get this straight: Rose left because of a crisis in his family and he actually apologized for what he did and he is brutally criticized. KP leaves because WAA WAA I don't like what the Knicks are doing. He then compounds the problem by not apologizing and refusing to communicate with the team and he gets a pass. SMH at the lengths to which people will go in their hypocrisy.
I call BS. I have not even heard this once.
martin wrote:Really? I believe Jason Concepcion of, The Ringer said it n a podcast. Pretty sure Dubin , Locked On Knicks, said it. I know I ave heard other guys say it on podcasts. It was a LNG time ago and I don't elieve anyone put it in print. I will google it though and try to find you some links. I also said that I never heard t confirmed. I don't pts bs just to post it.CrushAlot wrote:awe1028 wrote:The speculation by every media member I have heard talk about Rose's AWOL was that he flipped out when the Knicks told him they were not going to give him a contract extension at that time. I don't know that either story has benn confirmed.VCoug wrote:awe1028 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:doomed wrote:awe1028 wrote:Jmpasq wrote:awe1028 wrote:According to this article the Knicks were contacted by Phoenix about Porzingis. Phil Jackson asked for Devin Booker and the #4 pick in return.
Would be a great trade for usI do this trade in a heart beat. I love KP as do everyone here. But his behavior since the season has ended demonstrates to me anyway a guy who has gotten a big head. I am not hankering to trade him but if they can get this kind of package bye KP
Everyone's behavior here turns bad eventually. I wonder why?
KP is a squeaky clean and near perfect prospect for this franchise and already the fans and lunatic gm are entertaining notions of moving on. I'd be speechless if I wasn't so mad at some of the fans who can't see what's really wrong here. It isn't KP!!! I can't even imagine the crap going on at msg behind closed doors and neither can you. Just know it's a circus. That I am certain of and whether you want to admit it or not you are too. We all know it. Dolan and jackson together is An Unholy abomination. This frickin franchise needs an exorcism and an enema, in that order.
Yeah, trade KP. Just great. He's the problem here. Sure he is.
+1He blew off the exit interview and has refused to communicate with the Knicks throughout the off season. This is not "squeaky clean". Anybody else on the team did this and that player would be crucified on this board. Rose left supposedly for family reasons and he was destroyed KP leaves and refuses to communicate because WAA WAA he does not like what the Knicks are doing and people are making excuses to explain his behavior.
I will agree his missing the interview is not enough by itself to consider trading him. However did you see the possible return: Devin Booker and the # 4 pick. As I said in my earlier post I am not hankering to trade him but given the possible return the fact that he is acting like a big old baby WAA, WAA it makes a trade easier to accept
Rose left during the season, right before a game, and nobody had any idea where he was or what he was doing. Let me know when KP does that and then we can compare.
Rose left because there was some crisis in his family. According to reports the crisis was so severe that he contemplated and had to be talked out of retiring. While this does not justify his leaving it is certainly understandable.
What was KP's reason: WAA,WAA I don't like what's going on with the Knicks WAA,WAA.
So Let me get this straight: Rose left because of a crisis in his family and he actually apologized for what he did and he is brutally criticized. KP leaves because WAA WAA I don't like what the Knicks are doing. He then compounds the problem by not apologizing and refusing to communicate with the team and he gets a pass. SMH at the lengths to which people will go in their hypocrisy.
I call BS. I have not even heard this once.
newyorknewyork wrote:
Booker gets buckets. But his efficiency is poor and his defense is horrible. 3TOs to his 3ast for a SG. He is extremely young though so he can improve on these areas. But KP is a waaaay harder to find player then Booker.
So Booker is inefficient but a 7'3 player shooting 45% is the model of efficiency
awe1028 wrote:VCoug wrote:awe1028 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:doomed wrote:awe1028 wrote:Jmpasq wrote:awe1028 wrote:According to this article the Knicks were contacted by Phoenix about Porzingis. Phil Jackson asked for Devin Booker and the #4 pick in return.
Would be a great trade for usI do this trade in a heart beat. I love KP as do everyone here. But his behavior since the season has ended demonstrates to me anyway a guy who has gotten a big head. I am not hankering to trade him but if they can get this kind of package bye KP
Everyone's behavior here turns bad eventually. I wonder why?
KP is a squeaky clean and near perfect prospect for this franchise and already the fans and lunatic gm are entertaining notions of moving on. I'd be speechless if I wasn't so mad at some of the fans who can't see what's really wrong here. It isn't KP!!! I can't even imagine the crap going on at msg behind closed doors and neither can you. Just know it's a circus. That I am certain of and whether you want to admit it or not you are too. We all know it. Dolan and jackson together is An Unholy abomination. This frickin franchise needs an exorcism and an enema, in that order.
Yeah, trade KP. Just great. He's the problem here. Sure he is.
+1He blew off the exit interview and has refused to communicate with the Knicks throughout the off season. This is not "squeaky clean". Anybody else on the team did this and that player would be crucified on this board. Rose left supposedly for family reasons and he was destroyed KP leaves and refuses to communicate because WAA WAA he does not like what the Knicks are doing and people are making excuses to explain his behavior.
I will agree his missing the interview is not enough by itself to consider trading him. However did you see the possible return: Devin Booker and the # 4 pick. As I said in my earlier post I am not hankering to trade him but given the possible return the fact that he is acting like a big old baby WAA, WAA it makes a trade easier to accept
Rose left during the season, right before a game, and nobody had any idea where he was or what he was doing. Let me know when KP does that and then we can compare.
Rose left because there was some crisis in his family. According to reports the crisis was so severe that he contemplated and had to be talked out of retiring. While this does not justify his leaving it is certainly understandable.
What was KP's reason: WAA,WAA I don't like what's going on with the Knicks WAA,WAA.
So Let me get this straight: Rose left because of a crisis in his family and he actually apologized for what he did and he is brutally criticized. KP leaves because WAA WAA I don't like what the Knicks are doing. He then compounds the problem by not apologizing and refusing to communicate with the team and he gets a pass. SMH at the lengths to which people will go in their hypocrisy.
That's the excuse gave or implied but all he did was go to his mother's house. What kind of crisis could there possibly have been? It seems pretty clear that the only crisis was with him and he felt the need to run home to his mother. How is that better than what KP is doing in the offseason?
Jmpasq wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:
Booker gets buckets. But his efficiency is poor and his defense is horrible. 3TOs to his 3ast for a SG. He is extremely young though so he can improve on these areas. But KP is a waaaay harder to find player then Booker.So Booker is inefficient but a 7'3 player shooting 45% is the model of efficiency
Which is 30 points higher than Booker's FG%. KP's eFG% is also 30 points higher and his TS% is 15 points higher. So yeah, Booker is inefficient especially compared to KP.
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Knickoftime wrote:awe1028 wrote:VCoug wrote:awe1028 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:doomed wrote:awe1028 wrote:Jmpasq wrote:awe1028 wrote:According to this article the Knicks were contacted by Phoenix about Porzingis. Phil Jackson asked for Devin Booker and the #4 pick in return.
Would be a great trade for usI do this trade in a heart beat. I love KP as do everyone here. But his behavior since the season has ended demonstrates to me anyway a guy who has gotten a big head. I am not hankering to trade him but if they can get this kind of package bye KP
Everyone's behavior here turns bad eventually. I wonder why?
KP is a squeaky clean and near perfect prospect for this franchise and already the fans and lunatic gm are entertaining notions of moving on. I'd be speechless if I wasn't so mad at some of the fans who can't see what's really wrong here. It isn't KP!!! I can't even imagine the crap going on at msg behind closed doors and neither can you. Just know it's a circus. That I am certain of and whether you want to admit it or not you are too. We all know it. Dolan and jackson together is An Unholy abomination. This frickin franchise needs an exorcism and an enema, in that order.
Yeah, trade KP. Just great. He's the problem here. Sure he is.
+1He blew off the exit interview and has refused to communicate with the Knicks throughout the off season. This is not "squeaky clean". Anybody else on the team did this and that player would be crucified on this board. Rose left supposedly for family reasons and he was destroyed KP leaves and refuses to communicate because WAA WAA he does not like what the Knicks are doing and people are making excuses to explain his behavior.
I will agree his missing the interview is not enough by itself to consider trading him. However did you see the possible return: Devin Booker and the # 4 pick. As I said in my earlier post I am not hankering to trade him but given the possible return the fact that he is acting like a big old baby WAA, WAA it makes a trade easier to accept
Rose left during the season, right before a game, and nobody had any idea where he was or what he was doing. Let me know when KP does that and then we can compare.
Rose left because there was some crisis in his family. According to reports the crisis was so severe that he contemplated and had to be talked out of retiring. While this does not justify his leaving it is certainly understandable.
What was KP's reason: WAA,WAA I don't like what's going on with the Knicks WAA,WAA.
So Let me get this straight: Rose left because of a crisis in his family and he actually apologized for what he did and he is brutally criticized. KP leaves because WAA WAA I don't like what the Knicks are doing. He then compounds the problem by not apologizing and refusing to communicate with the team and he gets a pass. SMH at the lengths to which people will go in their hypocrisy.
Just clarifying, in your scenario, a regular season game equals an exit interview? They're roughly equal?
Again an attempt to justify hypocrisy. Bottom line: they both behaved badly and as such both are deserving of criticism. To criticize the one and not the other is the height of hypocrisy.
When viewed in a vacuum I would agree Rose's actions were worse and if your argument was that Rose deserves harsher criticism I would agree But that is not your argument. Instead you simply dismiss KP's behavior as not deserving of criticism - hypocrisy
However, when viewed in context, I would actually argue that yes KP's behavior was worse than Rose's. Rose actually had a reason for leaving and showed remorse for his actions by apologizing upon his return.
KP on the other hand had absolutely no valid reason for blowing off the exit meeting. Unlike Rose he has shown no remorse for his behavior and has in fact doubled down. This shows arrogance and a complete disdain for and disrespect of the organization.Disgraceful.
VCoug wrote:Jmpasq wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:
Booker gets buckets. But his efficiency is poor and his defense is horrible. 3TOs to his 3ast for a SG. He is extremely young though so he can improve on these areas. But KP is a waaaay harder to find player then Booker.So Booker is inefficient but a 7'3 player shooting 45% is the model of efficiency
Which is 30 points higher than Booker's FG%. KP's eFG% is also 30 points higher and his TS% is 15 points higher. So yeah, Booker is inefficient especially compared to KP.
For his size Porzingis is not an efficient shooter at all, look at guys like Jokic. At 7'3" Porzingis should have some semblance of an inside game not chucking 3's.
Jmpasq wrote:VCoug wrote:Jmpasq wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:
Booker gets buckets. But his efficiency is poor and his defense is horrible. 3TOs to his 3ast for a SG. He is extremely young though so he can improve on these areas. But KP is a waaaay harder to find player then Booker.So Booker is inefficient but a 7'3 player shooting 45% is the model of efficiency
Which is 30 points higher than Booker's FG%. KP's eFG% is also 30 points higher and his TS% is 15 points higher. So yeah, Booker is inefficient especially compared to KP.
For his size Porzingis is not an efficient shooter at all, look at guys like Jokic. At 7'3" Porzingis should have some semblance of an inside game not chucking 3's.
Jokic and Porzingis are neither the same size or the same player.
Many expected the now 21 year old Porzingis to be 2 years away when drafted and everyone knows his body is an NBA work in progress.
Because he exhibited a LOT more game, and an unexpected facets of his game, as a rookie, the expectations got out of control and now fans are bitter he is not yet fully formed.
21 points per game 9.5 rebounds 4 assists 2.1 steals 1 block FG% .5 3 pt FG$ .435
awe1028 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:awe1028 wrote:VCoug wrote:awe1028 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:doomed wrote:awe1028 wrote:Jmpasq wrote:awe1028 wrote:According to this article the Knicks were contacted by Phoenix about Porzingis. Phil Jackson asked for Devin Booker and the #4 pick in return.
Would be a great trade for usI do this trade in a heart beat. I love KP as do everyone here. But his behavior since the season has ended demonstrates to me anyway a guy who has gotten a big head. I am not hankering to trade him but if they can get this kind of package bye KP
Everyone's behavior here turns bad eventually. I wonder why?
KP is a squeaky clean and near perfect prospect for this franchise and already the fans and lunatic gm are entertaining notions of moving on. I'd be speechless if I wasn't so mad at some of the fans who can't see what's really wrong here. It isn't KP!!! I can't even imagine the crap going on at msg behind closed doors and neither can you. Just know it's a circus. That I am certain of and whether you want to admit it or not you are too. We all know it. Dolan and jackson together is An Unholy abomination. This frickin franchise needs an exorcism and an enema, in that order.
Yeah, trade KP. Just great. He's the problem here. Sure he is.
+1He blew off the exit interview and has refused to communicate with the Knicks throughout the off season. This is not "squeaky clean". Anybody else on the team did this and that player would be crucified on this board. Rose left supposedly for family reasons and he was destroyed KP leaves and refuses to communicate because WAA WAA he does not like what the Knicks are doing and people are making excuses to explain his behavior.
I will agree his missing the interview is not enough by itself to consider trading him. However did you see the possible return: Devin Booker and the # 4 pick. As I said in my earlier post I am not hankering to trade him but given the possible return the fact that he is acting like a big old baby WAA, WAA it makes a trade easier to accept
Rose left during the season, right before a game, and nobody had any idea where he was or what he was doing. Let me know when KP does that and then we can compare.
Rose left because there was some crisis in his family. According to reports the crisis was so severe that he contemplated and had to be talked out of retiring. While this does not justify his leaving it is certainly understandable.
What was KP's reason: WAA,WAA I don't like what's going on with the Knicks WAA,WAA.
So Let me get this straight: Rose left because of a crisis in his family and he actually apologized for what he did and he is brutally criticized. KP leaves because WAA WAA I don't like what the Knicks are doing. He then compounds the problem by not apologizing and refusing to communicate with the team and he gets a pass. SMH at the lengths to which people will go in their hypocrisy.
Just clarifying, in your scenario, a regular season game equals an exit interview? They're roughly equal?
Again an attempt to justify hypocrisy. Bottom line: they both behaved badly and as such both are deserving of criticism. To criticize the one and not the other is the height of hypocrisy.
In order to be a hypocrite, you have to reverse or be inconsistent on a position. I haven't stated one about Rose or KP so hypocrisy is literally impossible. You're got such a head of steam about this you're responding to a conversation that hasn't actually occurred
I asked a question.
When viewed in a vacuum I would agree Rose's actions were worse and if your argument was that Rose deserves harsher criticism I would agree But that is not your argument. Instead you simply dismiss KP's behavior as not deserving of criticism - hypocrisy
LOL, when have I ever dismissed anyone's anything? When and where did this occur?
I dont mind taking Beldsoe at all if that can help get a deal done--dont like Bender
Heres my take
Kuz KP for pick #3 Bledsoe Derrick Jones and one of Miami picks
BRIGGS wrote:Id like to walk out tonight with J Jackson--the ONLY draw back to me is adding picking 8--if were going to rebuild--rebuild.I dont mind taking Beldsoe at all if that can help get a deal done--dont like Bender
Heres my takeKuz KP for pick #3 Bledsoe Derrick Jones and one of Miami picks
The Suns have the fourth pick. Singe may trade 3 to a team that takes Jackson.
CrushAlot wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Id like to walk out tonight with J Jackson--the ONLY draw back to me is adding picking 8--if were going to rebuild--rebuild.I dont mind taking Beldsoe at all if that can help get a deal done--dont like Bender
Heres my takeKuz KP for pick #3 Bledsoe Derrick Jones and one of Miami picks
The Suns have the fourth pick. Singe may trade 3 to a team that takes Jackson.
Maybe--but the Cs are pretty high on Tatum--would have to be the Kings who already turned them down. Id love to walk out of the drfat with J Jackson--it honestly will shut a lot of people up. PHIL make Josh Jackson happen.
BRIGGS wrote:CrushAlot wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Id like to walk out tonight with J Jackson--the ONLY draw back to me is adding picking 8--if were going to rebuild--rebuild.I dont mind taking Beldsoe at all if that can help get a deal done--dont like Bender
Heres my takeKuz KP for pick #3 Bledsoe Derrick Jones and one of Miami picks
The Suns have the fourth pick. Singe may trade 3 to a team that takes Jackson.
Maybe--but the Cs are pretty high on Tatum--would have to be the Kings who already turned them down. Id love to walk out of the drfat with J Jackson--it honestly will shut a lot of people up. PHIL make Josh Jackson happen.
He's Frank Kaminsky 2.0!