Knicks · I'm not a long term buyer of RJ's high level potential/talent (page 5)

Knixkik wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Out of 10 games RJ had 2 good 3pt shooting games. In the other 8 he shot 2 for 37.

At least he is averaging 3 dimes and 7.6 Rebs on those bad shooting games.

Barrett’s biggest weakness is shooting and all he wants to do is spot up. I don’t get it.

Without shooters around him, what else can he do?

EwingsGlass wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Out of 10 games RJ had 2 good 3pt shooting games. In the other 8 he shot 2 for 37.

At least he is averaging 3 dimes and 7.6 Rebs on those bad shooting games.

Barrett’s biggest weakness is shooting and all he wants to do is spot up. I don’t get it.

Without shooters around him, what else can he do?

Yes that’s so true. But still he had a different offensive strategy in the second half that was more aligned with how he should be attacking.

Knixkik wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Out of 10 games RJ had 2 good 3pt shooting games. In the other 8 he shot 2 for 37.

At least he is averaging 3 dimes and 7.6 Rebs on those bad shooting games.

Barrett’s biggest weakness is shooting and all he wants to do is spot up. I don’t get it.

Without shooters around him, what else can he do?

Yes that’s so true. But still he had a different offensive strategy in the second half that was more aligned with how he should be attacking.

I’m stewing a bit on the lack of shooting depth. Just struggling to understand the makeup of the starting lineup.

Knixkik wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Out of 10 games RJ had 2 good 3pt shooting games. In the other 8 he shot 2 for 37.

At least he is averaging 3 dimes and 7.6 Rebs on those bad shooting games.

Barrett’s biggest weakness is shooting and all he wants to do is spot up. I don’t get it.

Without shooters around him, what else can he do?

Yes that’s so true. But still he had a different offensive strategy in the second half that was more aligned with how he should be attacking.

I keep expecting him to work out of the low post from as a SG to get the mismatch. Not stand at the three. He is really talented. I just hope he can develop without having spacing.

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RJ Barrett's raw performance is FLAWED!
RJ stats are questionable flawed from the 35 minute of playing-time he receive each game.
Plus Barret's defense on opposing guards are worst than DSJ !!!

Everyone needs to chill out on RJ. He will be fine. He hasn’t even played a full season of games in his career. He will rattle off some good games and everyone will be back on board. He’s 20. The bipolar nature of Knicks fans is crazy.

RJ is a no frills player. Not a lot of fancy moves, just gets the job done. All that matters.

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Yeah I think at this point it’s a broken record. But if and when our starting backcourt becomes Quickley and Burks I think he takes off. It may not be this year even , but it should happen eventually even if we have to wait until next year.

martin wrote:He will have some flashes and maybe some good runs but I just don't see it right now. It's early, yada yada and a lot can change but I just am not convinced.

Slow, deliberate athlete. Not a natural shooter at all. Not a natural passer at all. Can have games where he shoots OK and passes very well but they are more forced or mechanical for me.

He has the personality and work mentality to succeed but just not the natural talent to really reach heights.

This is through the lens of the 3rd pick who has been touted as a big potential player with lots of talent.

My opinion for now.

I fully agree 👍 with Author of post
Good pt. Martin.

RJ Has upside but it's going to take too long here
Expectations versus abilities. He can be 1 day a good
#2 but he ain't going be the man!✋😎

You can tell anybody.. I'm not the man not the man not the man

Kemet wrote:RJ Barrett's raw performance is FLAWED!
RJ stats are questionable flawed from the 35 minute of playing-time he receive each game.
Plus Barret's defense on opposing guards are worst than DSJ !!!

yet he leads the NBA in minutes on the best defensive team in the league. Hows that? Do you even watch?

EwingsGlass wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Out of 10 games RJ had 2 good 3pt shooting games. In the other 8 he shot 2 for 37.

At least he is averaging 3 dimes and 7.6 Rebs on those bad shooting games.

Barrett’s biggest weakness is shooting and all he wants to do is spot up. I don’t get it.

Without shooters around him, what else can he do?

Yes that’s so true. But still he had a different offensive strategy in the second half that was more aligned with how he should be attacking.

I’m stewing a bit on the lack of shooting depth. Just struggling to understand the makeup of the starting lineup.

Agree that lineup and personnel dictate roles for each player. However, to the previous posts point, RJ seems more aggressive down the stretch when either we need a basket or when we are down big and he seems to be just padding stats. He seems to fall in love with the three at times. Think when it's not falling, he needs to attack more and try to set up others who have it going. Have rarely seen him drive and kick it out to Burke, Rivers, Knox or Quicks. Still a big fan though. Especially when he takes it strong to the basket.

As for the starting lineup's shooting, I agree that we need a knock down shooter in the starting lineup. Although Bullock was supposed to have been that for us and think he still can be. Especially because he can also provide defense to help Randle.

RJ will be fine - he deserves at least the same leash that many have offered to Knox, Frank and others that need time to develop. Last season it was rated that he played with the worst spacing in the league. While he needs to improve his erratic shooting - it seems likely he would be more effective as our spacing/shooting improves. Randle and RJ are a bad mix unless they are both surrounded by 2 JJ Redicks, 2 Steve Novaks and 1 Dan Issel at all times... so impossible!

fishmike wrote:

Kemet wrote:RJ Barrett's raw performance is FLAWED!
RJ stats are questionable flawed from the 35 minute of playing-time he receive each game.
Plus Barret's defense on opposing guards are worst than DSJ !!!

yet he leads the NBA in minutes on the best defensive team in the league. Hows that? Do you even watch?

Is DSJ's defense that bad from the bench?

fishmike wrote:

Kemet wrote:RJ Barrett's raw performance is FLAWED!
RJ stats are questionable flawed from the 35 minute of playing-time he receive each game.
Plus Barret's defense on opposing guards are worst than DSJ !!!

yet he leads the NBA in minutes on the best defensive team in the league. Hows that? Do you even watch?

Barrett has been very good defensively this year.

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Kemet wrote:RJ Barrett's raw performance is FLAWED!
RJ stats are questionable flawed from the 35 minute of playing-time he receive each game.
Plus Barret's defense on opposing guards are worst than DSJ !!!

yet he leads the NBA in minutes on the best defensive team in the league. Hows that? Do you even watch?

Barrett has been very good defensively this year.

He has his poor moments but Kemet is being way too harsh.

Barrett is a huge part of the future here and is a great prospect guys he’s only 20 younger then both our rookies he seems to have recently worked on the corner 3 if he can make that corner 3 36% or higher and keep up the bully ball. He’s already a stud finisher, very good defensively, excellent rebounder and very good court vision. Kids ceiling is sky high.

I don’t think we drafted him thinking he had the talent to be the #1 option. But he will be a great third option on a contender hopefully that’s the Knicks soon.

If the knicks make the playoffs, the league will take notice and players will want to play at the greatest arena on earth for the home team.

EwingsGlass wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Out of 10 games RJ had 2 good 3pt shooting games. In the other 8 he shot 2 for 37.

At least he is averaging 3 dimes and 7.6 Rebs on those bad shooting games.

Barrett’s biggest weakness is shooting and all he wants to do is spot up. I don’t get it.

Without shooters around him, what else can he do?

Yes that’s so true. But still he had a different offensive strategy in the second half that was more aligned with how he should be attacking.

I’m stewing a bit on the lack of shooting depth. Just struggling to understand the makeup of the starting lineup.

The Key is Kevin Knox. If Kevin Knox could be anywhere near as effective as Mikal Bridges is for the Suns it would be a huge lift

Jmpasq wrote:The Key is Kevin Knox. If Kevin Knox could be anywhere near as effective as Mikal Bridges is for the Suns it would be a huge lift

It’d be great if Knox continued to develop and be more than a corner 3pt shooter - he has the size and athleticism to contribute in bigger ways.

But in the nearer term, I get the feeling that Burka when he returns will give us Bridge’s production and more - and ultimately help give the Knicks the playmaking and 3pt shotmaking boost RJ and the Knicks need to stay more consistently around the 500+ mark.

martin wrote:

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I recognize it's still early but....

Can't blow by his defender
Nothing special defensively
So far can't shoot
Average passer? I can't tell

Martin I almost universally agree with and like your posts but not this one.

He rebounds very well. Drives to the rim which is great for the team for many reasons. As he starts to draw fouls that will be more important than 3s. He plays good D and has versatility there. And he’s a willing multiple effort defender which is important on team d. And he’s poised and smart

Why does he need to blow by a defender? There are many ways to be effective on offense without doing that which is a specialty of smaller speedier guys who have their own flaws like lack of size and versatility on D and who can’t rebound worth shit

It’s not that he’s above criticism. He needs to improve his shooting. But I think you’re being too critical. His ft% is improving and that will be critical to his and team improvement. Personally even though it’s against analytics and modern nba I’d like to see more midrange from him ala Reggie Lewis of Celts of yesteryear. He’s taking way too many 3s at the moment