Knicks · Bullish on Deuce (page 16)

Nalod @ 3/9/2022 2:50 AM
Running the point means you have to be able to penetrate and finish, or shoot the long ball, or create midrange.
Randle is a triple threat and playmakes. RJ. bukes “when on” can do it. The job is there for the taking.
Lets not over think “We need a PG”. On offense we need everyone to do this. YOU don’t often hae 5 guys that can.
Even Kings have Sabonis bringing the ball up. THis is not Kid ball were the short kid brings the ball up.
martin @ 3/9/2022 7:49 AM
Philc1 wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Philc1 wrote:Good defender. Needs to learn to avoid fouls similar to Mitch

Yep I saw that. I also saw him drive and collapse the defense then kicked it out to Randle for a wide open 3. He played more mins than cam which I did not expect.

He played off ball alot at the 2 last night. Thibs clearly views him as a SG and not even a combo guard. Wherever at least he’s playing. Hopefully eventually Thibs eventually decides to let him run point more

In the Sac game he brought ball up and initiated some of the offense.

martin @ 3/9/2022 7:49 AM
Vmart @ 3/9/2022 8:51 AM
martin wrote:

I think we are all glad he is playing. But how incompetent does Thibs look for not playing the kid sooner. Who know Knicks might be legitimately in the playoff picture had he played earlier and his development process would have been light years ahead.

fishmike @ 3/9/2022 9:09 AM
Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:

I think we are all glad he is playing. But how incompetent does Thibs look for not playing the kid sooner. Who know Knicks might be legitimately in the playoff picture had he played earlier and his development process would have been light years ahead.

he scored 5 points and had 9 fouls in the last 2 games... yeah man, I dont know how Thibs could look more incompetent. Prolly woulda made the finals last year if Thibs played Pinson over Elfrid as well. Hopefully we can just rise above Thib's incompetence and enjoy better basketball in the upcoming years
martin @ 3/9/2022 9:12 AM
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:

I think we are all glad he is playing. But how incompetent does Thibs look for not playing the kid sooner. Who know Knicks might be legitimately in the playoff picture had he played earlier and his development process would have been light years ahead.

he scored 5 points and had 9 fouls in the last 2 games... yeah man, I dont know how Thibs could look more incompetent. Prolly woulda made the finals last year if Thibs played Pinson over Elfrid as well. Hopefully we can just rise above Thib's incompetence and enjoy better basketball in the upcoming years

More coaches should just start or play rookies more, their teams might be legitimately in the playoff picture.

That's a raw, unflawed thought process.

BigDaddyG @ 3/9/2022 9:28 AM
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:

I think we are all glad he is playing. But how incompetent does Thibs look for not playing the kid sooner. Who know Knicks might be legitimately in the playoff picture had he played earlier and his development process would have been light years ahead.

he scored 5 points and had 9 fouls in the last 2 games... yeah man, I dont know how Thibs could look more incompetent. Prolly woulda made the finals last year if Thibs played Pinson over Elfrid as well. Hopefully we can just rise above Thib's incompetence and enjoy better basketball in the upcoming years

Look, there are a lot of reasons to question Thibs' competence this season. Not giving Duece starter, or even regular rotation, minutes isn't one of them. Especially with the push to give IQ experience at the point. But not playing him at all, even in garbage time was questionable. We have two injury prone point guards and Tom had to know the time would lokely come when Duece would be called on to contribute. Don't need to see a gassed Burks masquerade as a PG when the game is lost. He doesn't need the experience.

martin @ 3/9/2022 9:52 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:

I think we are all glad he is playing. But how incompetent does Thibs look for not playing the kid sooner. Who know Knicks might be legitimately in the playoff picture had he played earlier and his development process would have been light years ahead.

he scored 5 points and had 9 fouls in the last 2 games... yeah man, I dont know how Thibs could look more incompetent. Prolly woulda made the finals last year if Thibs played Pinson over Elfrid as well. Hopefully we can just rise above Thib's incompetence and enjoy better basketball in the upcoming years

Look, there are a lot of reasons to question Thibs' competence this season. Not giving Duece starter, or even regular rotation, minutes isn't one of them. Especially with the push to give IQ experience at the point. But not playing him at all, even in garbage time was questionable. We have two injury prone point guards and Tom had to know the time would lokely come when Duece would be called on to contribute. Don't need to see a gassed Burks masquerade as a PG when the game is lost. He doesn't need the experience.

It's a fair statement but then you are quibbling over playing a guy garbage minutes. Are players getting that much in those last 2-5 minutes when the game is already out of hand that we care that much?

Maybe some do but I don't think anyone really cares.

NYKBocker @ 3/9/2022 10:04 AM
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:

I think we are all glad he is playing. But how incompetent does Thibs look for not playing the kid sooner. Who know Knicks might be legitimately in the playoff picture had he played earlier and his development process would have been light years ahead.

he scored 5 points and had 9 fouls in the last 2 games... yeah man, I dont know how Thibs could look more incompetent. Prolly woulda made the finals last year if Thibs played Pinson over Elfrid as well. Hopefully we can just rise above Thib's incompetence and enjoy better basketball in the upcoming years

Look, there are a lot of reasons to question Thibs' competence this season. Not giving Duece starter, or even regular rotation, minutes isn't one of them. Especially with the push to give IQ experience at the point. But not playing him at all, even in garbage time was questionable. We have two injury prone point guards and Tom had to know the time would lokely come when Duece would be called on to contribute. Don't need to see a gassed Burks masquerade as a PG when the game is lost. He doesn't need the experience.

It's a fair statement but then you are quibbling over playing a guy garbage minutes. Are players getting that much in those last 2-5 minutes when the game is already out of hand that we care that much?

Maybe some do but I don't think anyone really cares.

points per game is really not a barometer for me when it comes to a player being in the rotation. I look at what contributions he gives to help the team win a basketball game. Hi defensive tenacity and skills is what I am ecstatic about. His 3 point shooting is very good and he can drive to the basket. Thibs should have been playing him at PG a long time ago.

Jimbo5 @ 3/9/2022 10:33 AM
With the limited minutes given to Deuce, its nice to see his impact on defense, that alone should be enough to give him consistent minutes moving forward(i hope). Im not worried about his offense, he has shown that he can light it up in the GLeague.i know thats just the GLeague but putting up monster numbers should indicate that there is some skills present in this kid.just wait until the nba game starts slowing down for deuce, im hoping we can see more out of him.
BigDaddyG @ 3/9/2022 11:07 AM
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:

I think we are all glad he is playing. But how incompetent does Thibs look for not playing the kid sooner. Who know Knicks might be legitimately in the playoff picture had he played earlier and his development process would have been light years ahead.

he scored 5 points and had 9 fouls in the last 2 games... yeah man, I dont know how Thibs could look more incompetent. Prolly woulda made the finals last year if Thibs played Pinson over Elfrid as well. Hopefully we can just rise above Thib's incompetence and enjoy better basketball in the upcoming years

Look, there are a lot of reasons to question Thibs' competence this season. Not giving Duece starter, or even regular rotation, minutes isn't one of them. Especially with the push to give IQ experience at the point. But not playing him at all, even in garbage time was questionable. We have two injury prone point guards and Tom had to know the time would lokely come when Duece would be called on to contribute. Don't need to see a gassed Burks masquerade as a PG when the game is lost. He doesn't need the experience.

It's a fair statement but then you are quibbling over playing a guy garbage minutes. Are players getting that much in those last 2-5 minutes when the game is already out of hand that we care that much?

Maybe some do but I don't think anyone really cares.

I think every rep counts, even if it just allows the player to gradually adjust to the speed of a live game. Is it the biggest sin in the world? No. But a firmly believe these little things make a difference over the course of a season.

fishmike @ 3/9/2022 11:10 AM
NYKBocker wrote:
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:

I think we are all glad he is playing. But how incompetent does Thibs look for not playing the kid sooner. Who know Knicks might be legitimately in the playoff picture had he played earlier and his development process would have been light years ahead.

he scored 5 points and had 9 fouls in the last 2 games... yeah man, I dont know how Thibs could look more incompetent. Prolly woulda made the finals last year if Thibs played Pinson over Elfrid as well. Hopefully we can just rise above Thib's incompetence and enjoy better basketball in the upcoming years

Look, there are a lot of reasons to question Thibs' competence this season. Not giving Duece starter, or even regular rotation, minutes isn't one of them. Especially with the push to give IQ experience at the point. But not playing him at all, even in garbage time was questionable. We have two injury prone point guards and Tom had to know the time would lokely come when Duece would be called on to contribute. Don't need to see a gassed Burks masquerade as a PG when the game is lost. He doesn't need the experience.

It's a fair statement but then you are quibbling over playing a guy garbage minutes. Are players getting that much in those last 2-5 minutes when the game is already out of hand that we care that much?

Maybe some do but I don't think anyone really cares.

points per game is really not a barometer for me when it comes to a player being in the rotation. I look at what contributions he gives to help the team win a basketball game. Hi defensive tenacity and skills is what I am ecstatic about. His 3 point shooting is very good and he can drive to the basket. Thibs should have been playing him at PG a long time ago.

wake up... McBride has NOT been good in the NBA (yet). IQ has gotten those developmental minutes and his play is trending WAY up. Burks was very good in that role last year. We had Kemba here also just signed by the FO and he could still drop 50 in a night. Suggesting McBride was there and a solution "all along" is not reality based, its just not. When you factor in that McBride missed every shot he took when given a chance to play it made the Gleague the right place for him.

I love McBride... I think he *CAN* end up being very good for us. This year his offense made Elfrid Payton look like Gary Payton (the DAD). Its just so silly to lay "not playing or developing McBride" on the coach when McBride sucked, the FO handed him Kemba/Rose to start the season and its clear they are also committed to IQ

Theo Pinson

martin @ 3/9/2022 11:21 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:

I think we are all glad he is playing. But how incompetent does Thibs look for not playing the kid sooner. Who know Knicks might be legitimately in the playoff picture had he played earlier and his development process would have been light years ahead.

he scored 5 points and had 9 fouls in the last 2 games... yeah man, I dont know how Thibs could look more incompetent. Prolly woulda made the finals last year if Thibs played Pinson over Elfrid as well. Hopefully we can just rise above Thib's incompetence and enjoy better basketball in the upcoming years

Look, there are a lot of reasons to question Thibs' competence this season. Not giving Duece starter, or even regular rotation, minutes isn't one of them. Especially with the push to give IQ experience at the point. But not playing him at all, even in garbage time was questionable. We have two injury prone point guards and Tom had to know the time would lokely come when Duece would be called on to contribute. Don't need to see a gassed Burks masquerade as a PG when the game is lost. He doesn't need the experience.

It's a fair statement but then you are quibbling over playing a guy garbage minutes. Are players getting that much in those last 2-5 minutes when the game is already out of hand that we care that much?

Maybe some do but I don't think anyone really cares.

I think every rep counts, even if it just allows the player to gradually adjust to the speed of a live game. Is it the biggest sin in the world? No. But a firmly believe these little things make a difference over the course of a season.

I'm trying to figure out which teams do this on a regular basis... play their second round picks as much as they can in garbage minutes. I guess there is a difference between GS or PHO or MIL who are all in on playoffs so giving lottery picks no less second round picks garbage minutes is probably not a thing. Or should it be?

Maybe you can help me out with those grey area playoff teams versus straight tank teams and those that do follow your prescription.

Vmart @ 3/9/2022 12:56 PM
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:

I think we are all glad he is playing. But how incompetent does Thibs look for not playing the kid sooner. Who know Knicks might be legitimately in the playoff picture had he played earlier and his development process would have been light years ahead.

he scored 5 points and had 9 fouls in the last 2 games... yeah man, I dont know how Thibs could look more incompetent. Prolly woulda made the finals last year if Thibs played Pinson over Elfrid as well. Hopefully we can just rise above Thib's incompetence and enjoy better basketball in the upcoming years

This reminds of a story Doc Rivers I believe said. After his games his dad use to ask him not how many points he scored or assists he got. But how many fouls did he used. With that being said his dad gaged if he played defense by the amount of fouls he used. Also I believe if you watched the games he fouled to stop a fast break on turnovers which was a good play.

fishmike @ 3/9/2022 2:47 PM
Vmart wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:

I think we are all glad he is playing. But how incompetent does Thibs look for not playing the kid sooner. Who know Knicks might be legitimately in the playoff picture had he played earlier and his development process would have been light years ahead.

he scored 5 points and had 9 fouls in the last 2 games... yeah man, I dont know how Thibs could look more incompetent. Prolly woulda made the finals last year if Thibs played Pinson over Elfrid as well. Hopefully we can just rise above Thib's incompetence and enjoy better basketball in the upcoming years

This reminds of a story Doc Rivers I believe said. After his games his dad use to ask him not how many points he scored or assists he got. But how many fouls did he used. With that being said his dad gaged if he played defense by the amount of fouls he used. Also I believe if you watched the games he fouled to stop a fast break on turnovers which was a good play.

yeah that has nothing to do with Thib's being incompetent for not playing him... cute story tho

I like McBride as much as any poster here... I just dont pretend the season was phucked by our head coach not playing and properly developing the 2nd round pick shooting like 25% on the season.

BigDaddyG @ 3/9/2022 3:14 PM
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:

I think we are all glad he is playing. But how incompetent does Thibs look for not playing the kid sooner. Who know Knicks might be legitimately in the playoff picture had he played earlier and his development process would have been light years ahead.

he scored 5 points and had 9 fouls in the last 2 games... yeah man, I dont know how Thibs could look more incompetent. Prolly woulda made the finals last year if Thibs played Pinson over Elfrid as well. Hopefully we can just rise above Thib's incompetence and enjoy better basketball in the upcoming years

Look, there are a lot of reasons to question Thibs' competence this season. Not giving Duece starter, or even regular rotation, minutes isn't one of them. Especially with the push to give IQ experience at the point. But not playing him at all, even in garbage time was questionable. We have two injury prone point guards and Tom had to know the time would lokely come when Duece would be called on to contribute. Don't need to see a gassed Burks masquerade as a PG when the game is lost. He doesn't need the experience.

It's a fair statement but then you are quibbling over playing a guy garbage minutes. Are players getting that much in those last 2-5 minutes when the game is already out of hand that we care that much?

Maybe some do but I don't think anyone really cares.

I think every rep counts, even if it just allows the player to gradually adjust to the speed of a live game. Is it the biggest sin in the world? No. But a firmly believe these little things make a difference over the course of a season.

I'm trying to figure out which teams do this on a regular basis... play their second round picks as much as they can in garbage minutes. I guess there is a difference between GS or PHO or MIL who are all in on playoffs so giving lottery picks no less second round picks garbage minutes is probably not a thing. Or should it be?

Maybe you can help me out with those grey area playoff teams versus straight tank teams and those that do follow your prescription.


We've seen it in GSW with Jordan Poole, who was trash three years ago, but steadily improved. Not even suggesting the Knicks even give McBride as many minutes as Poole got. But you can't just coach for the moment, or the current game. Throw the kid in there. If he sucks, it's a teachable moment in game that doesn't matter, which is the majority of games they've played this season. I like Rose, and I had high hopes for Kemba. But we all knew there was a good chance they wouldn't make it through the season. In a perfect world, the FO goes out and follows up with solid emergency plan. Thibs, thankfully, doesn't have final say in front office matters, but he does have control of the roster they've given him. He has to develop with this roster. He has to give the kids minutes when he can find them. That's part of coaching.
Vmart @ 3/9/2022 3:23 PM
You know Thibs f’ed the season up. Our weakness this year has been perimeter defense. Kemba couldn’t guard a statue and you have Fournier who is awful on defense. He didn’t even like Cam Reddish trade. I have to say Thibs has been incompetent it took a sit down with management and WWW to call him out to get more reps for young players like Cam and McBride.
martin @ 3/9/2022 3:58 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:

I think we are all glad he is playing. But how incompetent does Thibs look for not playing the kid sooner. Who know Knicks might be legitimately in the playoff picture had he played earlier and his development process would have been light years ahead.

he scored 5 points and had 9 fouls in the last 2 games... yeah man, I dont know how Thibs could look more incompetent. Prolly woulda made the finals last year if Thibs played Pinson over Elfrid as well. Hopefully we can just rise above Thib's incompetence and enjoy better basketball in the upcoming years

Look, there are a lot of reasons to question Thibs' competence this season. Not giving Duece starter, or even regular rotation, minutes isn't one of them. Especially with the push to give IQ experience at the point. But not playing him at all, even in garbage time was questionable. We have two injury prone point guards and Tom had to know the time would lokely come when Duece would be called on to contribute. Don't need to see a gassed Burks masquerade as a PG when the game is lost. He doesn't need the experience.

It's a fair statement but then you are quibbling over playing a guy garbage minutes. Are players getting that much in those last 2-5 minutes when the game is already out of hand that we care that much?

Maybe some do but I don't think anyone really cares.

I think every rep counts, even if it just allows the player to gradually adjust to the speed of a live game. Is it the biggest sin in the world? No. But a firmly believe these little things make a difference over the course of a season.

I'm trying to figure out which teams do this on a regular basis... play their second round picks as much as they can in garbage minutes. I guess there is a difference between GS or PHO or MIL who are all in on playoffs so giving lottery picks no less second round picks garbage minutes is probably not a thing. Or should it be?

Maybe you can help me out with those grey area playoff teams versus straight tank teams and those that do follow your prescription.


We've seen it in GSW with Jordan Poole, who was trash three years ago, but steadily improved. Not even suggesting the Knicks even give McBride as many minutes as Poole got. But you can't just coach for the moment, or the current game. Throw the kid in there. If he sucks, it's a teachable moment in game that doesn't matter, which is the majority of games they've played this season. I like Rose, and I had high hopes for Kemba. But we all knew there was a good chance they wouldn't make it through the season. In a perfect world, the FO goes out and follows up with solid emergency plan. Thibs, thankfully, doesn't have final say in front office matters, but he does have control of the roster they've given him. He has to develop with this roster. He has to give the kids minutes when he can find them. That's part of coaching.

There is context though, right? 3 years ago GSW were trash and had lots of injuries. Literally last place finish and were not competing for playoffs. Curry out, Klay out, they had lots of minutes to give guys.

Knicks are currently deep at wing players.

What's the balance between trying to go for a playoff spot and playing your 14th guy and also playing Grimes, IQ, RJ, etc who are all more wing shooters? And quite frankly, right now, McBride is playing the wing shooter spot, just like IQ in his first year.

fishmike @ 3/9/2022 4:01 PM
Vmart wrote:You know Thibs f’ed the season up. Our weakness this year has been perimeter defense. Kemba couldn’t guard a statue and you have Fournier who is awful on defense. He didn’t even like Cam Reddish trade. I have to say Thibs has been incompetent it took a sit down with management and WWW to call him out to get more reps for young players like Cam and McBride.
so you mean WWW said stop playing the guys we just spent $90mm on and start giving the end of the bench guys more minutes? Good work.

Did WWW also tell him to put Grimes in the rotation? Asking for a friend

Clean @ 3/9/2022 4:02 PM
NYKBocker wrote:
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:

I think we are all glad he is playing. But how incompetent does Thibs look for not playing the kid sooner. Who know Knicks might be legitimately in the playoff picture had he played earlier and his development process would have been light years ahead.

he scored 5 points and had 9 fouls in the last 2 games... yeah man, I dont know how Thibs could look more incompetent. Prolly woulda made the finals last year if Thibs played Pinson over Elfrid as well. Hopefully we can just rise above Thib's incompetence and enjoy better basketball in the upcoming years

Look, there are a lot of reasons to question Thibs' competence this season. Not giving Duece starter, or even regular rotation, minutes isn't one of them. Especially with the push to give IQ experience at the point. But not playing him at all, even in garbage time was questionable. We have two injury prone point guards and Tom had to know the time would lokely come when Duece would be called on to contribute. Don't need to see a gassed Burks masquerade as a PG when the game is lost. He doesn't need the experience.

It's a fair statement but then you are quibbling over playing a guy garbage minutes. Are players getting that much in those last 2-5 minutes when the game is already out of hand that we care that much?

Maybe some do but I don't think anyone really cares.

points per game is really not a barometer for me when it comes to a player being in the rotation. I look at what contributions he gives to help the team win a basketball game. Hi defensive tenacity and skills is what I am ecstatic about. His 3 point shooting is very good and he can drive to the basket. Thibs should have been playing him at PG a long time ago.

This exactly. People are too focused on stats and missing the clear impact he has on winning. I understand since many people stopped watching the games.

Clean @ 3/9/2022 4:08 PM
Jimbo5 wrote:With the limited minutes given to Deuce, its nice to see his impact on defense, that alone should be enough to give him consistent minutes moving forward(i hope). Im not worried about his offense, he has shown that he can light it up in the GLeague.i know thats just the GLeague but putting up monster numbers should indicate that there is some skills present in this kid.just wait until the nba game starts slowing down for deuce, im hoping we can see more out of him.

McBride wont score or control the offense in the NBA like the G League because he plays 2 different roles. In the NBA thibs plays him as a SG and places him in the corner. In the G League he is the PG controlling the offense.

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