The same red flags people like to ignore during winning streaks against injured/lesser teams always kills us against better teams. Being a great 1st quarter team means nothing when your also one of the worst 4th quarter teams. I can no longer praise the great 1st quarter performances when I know that trash 4th is coming because it always does.
ToddTT wrote:Wow I just realized Mitch only had two more points than my grandmother.How is that even possible?
Man I’ve always thought that guys who are penetrating miss Mitch for the alley oop a LOT.
Mitch also has zero clue how to get himself open. Maybe next year for him to learn more about how he can move into space to get easy passes.
If Knicks had a passer like James Harden on team, Mitch would average like 16ppg
Clean wrote:The same red flags people like to ignore during winning streaks against injured/lesser teams always kills us against better teams. Being a great 1st quarter team means nothing when your also one of the worst 4th quarter teams. I can no longer praise the great 1st quarter performances when I know that trash 4th is coming because it always does.
Did you see the first quarter of this game? It was ugly. Knicks shooting percentage was like 11%.
BigDaddyG wrote:
I have to tell you, I’m not even worried about these types of losses. These are growth losses
martin wrote:ToddTT wrote:Wow I just realized Mitch only had two more points than my grandmother.How is that even possible?
Man I’ve always thought that guys who are penetrating miss Mitch for the alley oop a LOT.
Mitch also has zero clue how to get himself open. Maybe next year for him to learn more about how he can move into space to get easy passes.
If Knicks had a passer like James Harden on team, Mitch would average like 16ppg
They had a lot of bodies on him this game. Weren’t gonna let him get 20 Rebs again.
Jalen is becoming a legit closer and probably a solid #2 on a deep playoff team.
Doing it against one of the better defenders in the league.
AMAZING
martin wrote:How do the refs miss calls like this one and the 3 point foul on Brunson in the first half?
The Portis elbow to Grimes's neck was unbelievable. Grimes lost the call because he didn't crumple to the floor like Giannis did when Randle forearmed him to the ribs.
martin wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:martin wrote:gradyandrew wrote:martin wrote:Great game though
Yeah, would have been better with a win! Knicks were close; I can't believe it was Joel Ingles who turned the corner for the Bucks. He killed it in the second half.
yeah Ingles is a very good player
Grayson Allen looked like Allan Houston with Fournier not guarding him.
They all do when Fournier is guarding them.
Only Fournier’s mom and maybe MS want him to get minutes.
I agree with the sentiment Fournier shouldn't have played as much, but just go back on this board (would be easier with a search feature), and see how many people bitched about having an 8 man rotation. This is why he wasn't playing. He gave up more than he contributed points wise.
And I'm not talking about you, just your comment. There were a lot of armchair coaches screaming about getting Fournier time because an 8 man rotation couldn't handle the minutes. So there you go. You got Evan and Ingles and Allen look like Larry Bird and Mark Price in the 4th.
EwingsGlass wrote:Pretty sure Hart and Fournier need to be excised from the rotation. Hart is just playing weak side defense where the Knicks defense needs a strong C. He’s clumsy and doesn’t finish strong. He missed 4 shots in a row, including a 3 foot wide open air ball. Dennis Rodman clanged the backboard at least. I don’t understand why Sims is stuck behind here. Happy to hear why.
Fournier had the worst air ball I’ve ever seen tonight. He doesn’t rotate on defense and has no idea who he is picking up in transition. His best defensive play was a foul on Giannis. Pull the plug.
Refs stole the ball from Brunson when we were up 17. Pretty bad no challenge by Thibs. That became a 3 that started the eradication of the Knicks lead.
Robinson is a beast on defense but is lost on O. Willing to keep trying here but they need to unleash the beast and get him some confidence. Gotta get Mitch more engaged.
Miles had a forgettable performance tonight. That -11 gets plugged in him but I think other guys get a little boost of running with Brunson tonight even though they did nothing.
IQ looked really good tonight.
Brunson/McBride
Grimes/IQ
Barrett/
Randle/Toppin
Robinson/Sims.
Out:
Fournier
Hart
Rose
Reddish
That is all.
Nice write up. I think IQ should keep on starting and instead bring RJ off the bench, otherwise I'm in agreement. Hartenstein lost me when he couldn't get the layup on three tries.
joec32033 wrote:martin wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:martin wrote:gradyandrew wrote:martin wrote:Great game though
Yeah, would have been better with a win! Knicks were close; I can't believe it was Joel Ingles who turned the corner for the Bucks. He killed it in the second half.
yeah Ingles is a very good player
Grayson Allen looked like Allan Houston with Fournier not guarding him.
They all do when Fournier is guarding them.
Only Fournier’s mom and maybe MS want him to get minutes.
I agree with the sentiment Fournier shouldn't have played as much, but just go back on this board (would be easier with a search feature), and see how many people bitched about having an 8 man rotation. This is why he wasn't playing. He gave up more than he contributed points wise.
And I'm not talking about you, just your comment. There were a lot of armchair coaches screaming about getting Fournier time because an 8 man rotation couldn't handle the minutes. So there you go. You got Evan and Ingles and Allen look like Larry Bird and Mark Price in the 4th.
I would have rather seen McBride get those minutes even though he isn’t necessarily an offensive threat.
Hart is seeing his NBA chance evaporate. Dude has got to do better.
martin wrote:Hart is seeing his NBA chance evaporate. Dude has got to do better.
I might’ve put up better shots than hartenstein and I’m 54 with Parkinson’s. 3 foot shots that were 5 feet off.
I’d rather use simms and also let the fo go out and get us a fiesta tough bet for the bench who can make a few plays.
BRIGGS wrote:martin wrote:Hart is seeing his NBA chance evaporate. Dude has got to do better.
I might’ve put up better shots than hartenstein and I’m 54 with Parkinson’s. 3 foot shots that were 5 feet off.
I’d rather use simms and also let the fo go out and get us a fiesta tough bet for the bench who can make a few plays.
Sims is also not a very good defender IMO but he got some nice highlights.
martin wrote:joec32033 wrote:martin wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:martin wrote:gradyandrew wrote:martin wrote:Great game though
Yeah, would have been better with a win! Knicks were close; I can't believe it was Joel Ingles who turned the corner for the Bucks. He killed it in the second half.
yeah Ingles is a very good player
Grayson Allen looked like Allan Houston with Fournier not guarding him.
They all do when Fournier is guarding them.
Only Fournier’s mom and maybe MS want him to get minutes.
I agree with the sentiment Fournier shouldn't have played as much, but just go back on this board (would be easier with a search feature), and see how many people bitched about having an 8 man rotation. This is why he wasn't playing. He gave up more than he contributed points wise.
And I'm not talking about you, just your comment. There were a lot of armchair coaches screaming about getting Fournier time because an 8 man rotation couldn't handle the minutes. So there you go. You got Evan and Ingles and Allen look like Larry Bird and Mark Price in the 4th.
I would have rather seen McBride get those minutes even though he isn’t necessarily an offensive threat.
Absolutely correct. IMO. This team's success is based on defense not offense. All their successful trends can be tied to defensive trends.
But then again, they would then go from a 9 man rotation to an 8 man rotation in that case and these fragile professional athletes apparently can't handle that, according to some.
martin wrote:Hart is seeing his NBA chance evaporate. Dude has got to do better.
I’m really disappointed with what he’s brought here for all of the hype.
Knixkik wrote:Knicks still get nothing from the bench offensively. You see bucks like Ingles and Portis get baskets. Quickley will be back as 6th man soon but Knicks need more.
This. Like I said to Martin, the Knicks success is tied to defensive trends. Possibly upgrading (a guy with Jae Crowder's skill set would be great) the bench pieces so they aren't so specialized outside of Quick is probably a must if they are trying to win this year.
martin wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:
I have to tell you, I’m not even worried about these types of losses. These are growth losses
N0-NO .. Randle playing the entire first quarter and 3rd quarter in each of those games gave a tired exhausted Randle in the 4th quarter missing FT and consecutive turnovers for a Knicks loss.
Tonight, Randle collapsed in the 3rd quarter after playing 28 minutes committing two consecutive turnovers, Randle shouldve been yanked off the court for Obi Toppin to play the final 4 minutes when the Knicks had a 14 point lead. Letting Randle stay on court to play the final 4 minutes of the 3rd quarter let the Bucks go on 18-8 run to end the quarter. Giving the Bucks confidence to outscore the Knicks in the 4th quarter 38-29.
Having Randle on the court going down the stretch the final 5 minutes of the game was a nightmare of Randle still thinking only Randle & Barrett (now Bronson) are supposed to do all the scoring going down the stretch. Brunson came through scoring the Knicks final 15 points. Quickley was hot all game but wasn't given the ball to take a shot the final 7 min of the game.
The Knicks bench players were never included in the Knicks offense tonight.
Kemet wrote:martin wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:
I have to tell you, I’m not even worried about these types of losses. These are growth losses
N0-NO .. Randle playing the entire first quarter and 3rd quarter in each of those games gave a tired exhausted Randle in the 4th quarter missing FT and consecutive turnovers for a Knicks loss.
Tonight, Randle collapsed in the 3rd quarter after playing 28 minutes committing two consecutive turnovers, Randle shouldve been yanked off the court for Obi Toppin to play the final 4 minutes when the Knicks had a 14 point lead. Letting Randle stay on court to play the final 4 minutes of the 3rd quarter let the Bucks go on 18-8 run to end the quarter. Giving the Bucks confidence to outscore the Knicks in the 4th quarter 38-29.
Having Randle on the court going down the stretch the final 5 minutes of the game was a nightmare of Randle still thinking only Randle & Barrett (now Bronson) are supposed to do all the scoring going down the stretch. Brunson came through scoring the Knicks final 15 points. Quickley was hot all game but wasn't given the ball to take a shot the final 7 min of the game.
The Knicks bench players were never included in the Knicks offense tonight.
The Knicks bench won't have any offense until Quickley goes back to it. The bench is filled with one dimensional role players (other than Quickley developing the way he is). McBride, Fournier, Obi are a mismatch of flawed players whose roles don't fit. McBride is a defensive sub currently not a top notch back up PG. Obi (welcome back) and Jericho need someone to help them score. Rose isn't playing for a reason (he may be hurt?). Fournier is a shooter who you can only play one one side of the ball.
If there was any mistake Thibs made, I think it is when Quickley moved up to starting Rose should have moved up to Quickley's spot. Fournier should be used in spot minutes or when you need a 3. But who knows why Rose isn't playing so I can't say it's even a mistake.
This team NEEDS to learn to close games. Whether by hook or by crook, they need a killer instinct to keep pressure on and whether that is a veteran player, coaching, or some other means they nee to keep teams under their heel when they are up. It shouldn't have anything to do with being tired, and if it does this whole team and training staff needs to be gutted.
BRIGGS wrote:martin wrote:Hart is seeing his NBA chance evaporate. Dude has got to do better.
I might’ve put up better shots than hartenstein and I’m 54 with Parkinson’s. 3 foot shots that were 5 feet off.
I’d rather use simms and also let the fo go out and get us a fiesta tough bet for the bench who can make a few plays.
Lol. Yeah. Sims wouldn’t have shot much better but would have played better defense.
