At one point before that Dec. 4 game, Reddish expressed displeasure to a Knick assistant coach about the way Thibodeau was using him, per people familiar with the matter. Reddish has not played since he expressed that displeasure.
https://www.sny.tv/articles/begley-mailb...
A lot to unpack..
Dont like Cam apparently complaining about how he's used. Considering the lack of a resume.
Understand Thibs putting Cam in the doghouse. But permanently?
Seems to be some friction between the FO and Thibs over Cam. If its just one player, not a big deal. If this is what happens when a player Thibs didnt approve gets signed. No slack, then its a problem. No evidence that Im aware of.
GustavBahler wrote:A lot to unpack..Dont like Cam apparently complaining about how he's used. Considering the lack of a resume.
Understand Thibs putting Cam in the doghouse. But permanently?
Seems to be some friction between the FO and Thibs over Cam. If its just one player, not a big deal. If this is what happens when a player Thibs didnt approve gets signed. No slack, then its a problem. No evidence that Im aware of.
Where are you picking up on that? I missed it.
martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:A lot to unpack..Dont like Cam apparently complaining about how he's used. Considering the lack of a resume.
Understand Thibs putting Cam in the doghouse. But permanently?
Seems to be some friction between the FO and Thibs over Cam. If its just one player, not a big deal. If this is what happens when a player Thibs didnt approve gets signed. No slack, then its a problem. No evidence that Im aware of.
Where are you picking up on that? I missed it.
In the Begley article it is stated that the NY Post reported Thibs was against the trade for Reddish. It is also pointed out the team has a better record since the benching of Fournier and Cam. But it seems Thibs has a very different attitude towards Reddish. Of course he doesn’t show his cards so who knows.
I suppose I fall into the “pro-Thibs” camp, but I’d say this doghouse thing is a bad look for him. And certainly hasn’t helped Cam’s value for a trade.
KnickDanger wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:A lot to unpack..Dont like Cam apparently complaining about how he's used. Considering the lack of a resume.
Understand Thibs putting Cam in the doghouse. But permanently?
Seems to be some friction between the FO and Thibs over Cam. If its just one player, not a big deal. If this is what happens when a player Thibs didnt approve gets signed. No slack, then its a problem. No evidence that Im aware of.
Where are you picking up on that? I missed it.
In the Begley article it is stated that the NY Post reported Thibs was against the trade for Reddish. It is also pointed out the team has a better record since the benching of Fournier and Cam. But it seems Thibs has a very different attitude towards Reddish. Of course he doesn’t show his cards so who knows.
I suppose I fall into the “pro-Thibs” camp, but I’d say this doghouse thing is a bad look for him. And certainly hasn’t helped Cam’s value for a trade.
I remember World Wide Wes being critical of Thibs last season. I don’t know what he does but he’s probably still with the FO. I could imagine a world where Cam was Wes’s deal. I can also imagine a world in which Thibs decides who is allowed to dribble and who is a catch and shoot guy. I remember Cam being confident that he is a triple threat guy.
I hope the front office already learned a lesson in this Reddish situation.
Seems like Thibs has the last say in terms of team personnel. The FO better get Thibs' blessing this coming trade deadline before they make any moves otherwise it will be another wasted trade asset/s if the player they brought in will just warm the bench devaluing the trade assets used on the player.
Im worried about a saddiq trade, havent watch the pistons, not sure if Thibs will play him.
I want Grayson Allen or alex caruso but the price might ve too high. Maybe eric gordon's expiring contract may be a good option. He is a descent defender most of his career, right?
Ian finds it meaningful that Cam doesn’t play in garbage time and takes time out of his day to tell us this 🤷♂️
It’s that odd 2-3 minutes Archie and Svi get to jog up and down the court to run out the clock once every like 10 games that maybe if Thibs trotted out Cam things would be different?
It’s riveting stuff.
This is one of the better clickbait articles Begley has written in a while.
Anyway, correlation-causation what you got?
martin wrote:Anyway, correlation-causation what you got?
I kinda took it at face value. Thibs was playing Cam at the time, giving him his chance. Cam bitched that he wasn't being used right(like he did in Atlanta) and bitched about the coach. Coach said Ok, fuck you.
Don't think it's any deeper than that, unless his bitching was a final straw in a long line of bitching....
joec32033 wrote:martin wrote:Anyway, correlation-causation what you got?
I kinda took it at face value. Thibs was playing Cam at the time, giving him his chance. Cam bitched that he wasn't being used right(like he did in Atlanta) and bitched about the coach. Coach said Ok, fuck you.
Don't think it's any deeper than that, unless his bitching was a final straw in a long line of bitching....
Same.
In my mind when that juncture point happens, usually a decision is made at the FO level with coaching staff involved: is it worthwhile to keep this guy or just move on? Seems like they moved on and have been looking for trades.
Unfortunate, it’s an exact repeat of what happened in ALT
martin wrote:joec32033 wrote:martin wrote:Anyway, correlation-causation what you got?
I kinda took it at face value. Thibs was playing Cam at the time, giving him his chance. Cam bitched that he wasn't being used right(like he did in Atlanta) and bitched about the coach. Coach said Ok, fuck you.
Don't think it's any deeper than that, unless his bitching was a final straw in a long line of bitching....
Same.
In my mind when that juncture point happens, usually a decision is made at the FO level with coaching staff involved: is it worthwhile to keep this guy or just move on? Seems like they moved on and have been looking for trades.
Unfortunate, it’s an exact repeat of what happened in ALT
But it is telling this player's particular set of problems may be self inflicted.
joec32033 wrote:martin wrote:joec32033 wrote:martin wrote:Anyway, correlation-causation what you got?
I kinda took it at face value. Thibs was playing Cam at the time, giving him his chance. Cam bitched that he wasn't being used right(like he did in Atlanta) and bitched about the coach. Coach said Ok, fuck you.
Don't think it's any deeper than that, unless his bitching was a final straw in a long line of bitching....
Same.
In my mind when that juncture point happens, usually a decision is made at the FO level with coaching staff involved: is it worthwhile to keep this guy or just move on? Seems like they moved on and have been looking for trades.
Unfortunate, it’s an exact repeat of what happened in ALT
But it is telling this player's particular set of problems may be self inflicted.
A lot of stress on a 22 year old trying to get that first veteran deal. Especially for someone as hyped as Cam was.
I think the bigger problem is when the team is getting cooked in Toronto or destroyed in Brooklyn our coach doesn’t try different lineups.
We have all watched RJ turn the ball over on multiple possession miss defensive assignments with no accountability, Julius go into hero ball mode, Etc.
It’s a long season, I don’t think Reddish is a great player, but Thibs doesn’t seem to unlock guys strengths.
Obi is dying, he rarely gives Harentstein the ability to facilitate, grimes is misused, his rotations don’t make sense, so unless Cam is fucking off during practice something is definitely up here.
It doesn’t make a lot of sense.
The front office certainly has fucked things up trading a first for a guy that can’t play in addition to 41MM of dead bodies in Fournier and Rose sitting on the bench.
MS wrote:I think the bigger problem is when the team is getting cooked in Toronto or destroyed in Brooklyn our coach doesn’t try different lineups.We have all watched RJ turn the ball over on multiple possession miss defensive assignments with no accountability, Julius go into hero ball mode, Etc.
It’s a long season, I don’t think Reddish is a great player, but Thibs doesn’t seem to unlock guys strengths.
Obi is dying, he rarely gives Harentstein the ability to facilitate, grimes is misused, his rotations don’t make sense, so unless Cam is fucking off during practice something is definitely up here.
It doesn’t make a lot of sense.
The front office certainly has fucked things up trading a first for a guy that can’t play in addition to 41MM of dead bodies in Fournier and Rose sitting on the bench.
All do respect can we please stop saying this. All these young guys that everyone says is so great that they need more time and Thibs is holding them back... Thibs is the one who developed them well enough to the point where everyone is saying they need more time!
I said this in a post a few weeks back....everyone wanted McBride to get more time...it exposed his lack of offense. Everyone wanted Grimes to get more time and it exposed weaknesses in his game (that are currently in the process of being corrected). Sims more time, too green play extended minutes. Obi more time and it's exposing his lack of offensive versatility and he needs development on the other side of the ball.
The only guy who has flourished with more time is Quick.
Can anyone remember an instance where a player complained about minutes or usage and it improved his situation?
I have nothing against him personally but seems dumb to complain. Sends an implicit message of selfishness. All that said it has to be enormously frustrating to ride pine when you think you can add something, but that kind of goes with the territory
As a player he needs to be more consistent and stronger
joec32033 wrote: At one point before that Dec. 4 game, Reddish expressed displeasure to a Knick assistant coach about the way Thibodeau was using him, per people familiar with the matter. Reddish has not played since he expressed that displeasure.
https://www.sny.tv/articles/begley-mailb...
If that’s the reason he is getting no PT, I just despise Thibs’ coaching style. Sad to see Reddish wasted. It’s not weird that top teams want Reddish.
EwingsGlass wrote:joec32033 wrote: At one point before that Dec. 4 game, Reddish expressed displeasure to a Knick assistant coach about the way Thibodeau was using him, per people familiar with the matter. Reddish has not played since he expressed that displeasure.
https://www.sny.tv/articles/begley-mailb...
If that’s the reason he is getting no PT, I just despise Thibs’ coaching style. Sad to see Reddish wasted. It’s not weird that top teams want Reddish.
Do they want him that much? The Knicks can't even fetch two 2nd rounders for him.
BigDaddyG wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:joec32033 wrote: At one point before that Dec. 4 game, Reddish expressed displeasure to a Knick assistant coach about the way Thibodeau was using him, per people familiar with the matter. Reddish has not played since he expressed that displeasure.
https://www.sny.tv/articles/begley-mailb...
If that’s the reason he is getting no PT, I just despise Thibs’ coaching style. Sad to see Reddish wasted. It’s not weird that top teams want Reddish.
Do they want him that much? The Knicks can't even fetch two 2nd rounders for him.
But this is his second team where he complained about how he was deployed. It's becoming a thing for him. And these are two young teams whose very best interest was to have him be really good.
I have to assume "expressed displeasure" is putting it softly.
BigDaddyG wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:joec32033 wrote: At one point before that Dec. 4 game, Reddish expressed displeasure to a Knick assistant coach about the way Thibodeau was using him, per people familiar with the matter. Reddish has not played since he expressed that displeasure.
https://www.sny.tv/articles/begley-mailb...
If that’s the reason he is getting no PT, I just despise Thibs’ coaching style. Sad to see Reddish wasted. It’s not weird that top teams want Reddish.
Do they want him that much? The Knicks can't even fetch two 2nd rounders for him.
I guess I am more focused on the roster spot than the price. If teams like the Bucks and Suns think they can use a guy like him, I mean, we can't? I am more upset that the term "coaching" is just burying a 23 year old kid with amazing biometrics and natural talent because he speaks to the coaches and wants more. He is an RFA and this is his livelihood. I saw some goofy plays but like most of the team, I see young players frozen out of the game by the ball dominance of our 3 high usage players. I see a kid that just needs a little coaching. Coach him.
