I think most of today's fans find these type of low scoring games boring and slow but I enjoy them! This one had a little of a 90s feel to it!
We're getting better winning these close games which is a great sign. Randle and Brunson both hit clutch shots and most importantly hit their FT's. Randle hit a big three and Brunson had like three clutch shots in the last 5 minutes including an And1. Great job by Sims filling in for Hartenstein who took the night off with foul trouble. Sims WILL win the Slam Dunk Contest. GUARANTEED! Refs were awful in this game btw. Great game off the bench by IQ too. Crossing my fingers he is not included in a trade but if I was an opposing team I'd be asking for him.
Another mixed bag game by RJ. Started off horribly but made some key shots in the second half. His defense continues to be an issue. That play where he completely lost Wagner on an inbound pass in inexcusable! RJ is a good kid and a hard worker and there is every reason to believe he will work hard to improve but right now he's become frustrating to watch with the missed open threes, missed layup's and awful defense.
Not a good last game by Obi as a Knick. I expect him traded tomorrow.
Kudos to Orlando. Banchero is talented and they have a bunch of nice young players. Very impressed with Fultz. He looked like a mini Westbrook. Super athletic and talented! Love the Wagner brothers too. Nice likeable team. Too bad their arena was 90% Knicks fans but it's always been like that.
LET'S MAKE SOME TRADES!
BigDaddyG wrote:Not the same. Everyone acknowledged that the Celtics were underachieving at the time.
In the Knicks case, I think most people will tell you the Knicks are playing at their highest possible ceiling.
That's completely, false.
R.J. Barrett: 22.
Quentin Grimes: 22.
Deuce McBride: 22
Immanuel Quickley: 23.
Isaiah Hartenstein: 24.
Jericho Sims: 24.
Obi Toppin: 24.
Mitchell Robinson 24.
We've got 8 players.
8 kids in our rotation.
All between the ages of only 22-24.
Average age of only 23.1.
And both of Jalen Brunson (26) and Julius Randle (28) are both still evolving too (they're not anything CLOSE to being who they were @ 22-24 years of age) and I've got statistics, advanced statistical evidence to prove it too.
but you're going to sit here and tell us all how the Knicks are "maxed out"?
That's horse crap man.
And which "most people" are saying such things, who (exactly) are you referring to?
Because i know it's not people who understand player development and/or I know 100% it's not Coach Thibs.
Coach Tom Thibs post game interview (after Orlando's win last night) when asked about the Trade Deadline...
🖊️"I love our team. I love our team. We know we have a really good roster (that we like) and we have a lot of good young players that we know are going to get better as time goes on"🖊️
We can say lots of things about these (extremely young) 2022-2023 Knicks.
But "maxed out" and/or "playing @ their highest ceiling" aren't any two of them.
On a side note despite the fact we're one of the youngest rosters within the entire league?
New York has the 2nd best winning percentage of any team in the league on the road and we all know what the NBA stands for; "Never Bet Away".
Road Records:
#1 = Boston Celtics @ 18-9 (.667%).
#2 = New York Knicks @ 16-11 (.593%).
That's INCREDIBLE considering the fact Boston's rotation is MUCH older than NY's rotation.
And the main reason why we're only 1 game below .500 @ home is because of our overall youth. There's a lot of pressure to win in NYC @ MSG and as of right now these kids feel the pressure. But as time goes on and three kids continue to develop with a lot more maturity? They'll then be able to turn MSG into Home Court Advantage (takes time and patience).
NYKMentality wrote:I wasn't alive for the Walt Clyde Frazier days.So Jalen Brunson has already became my favorite Knicks PG of All-Time.
(Sorry, Mark Jackson).
For all of you Knicks fans who was screaming the name of Jalen Brunson (even before last years Playoffs)? Much respect on your basketball/PG IQ (because I never knew he was this much 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥)
Brunson is easily our best pg since Jackson. I saw Jackson play a solid argument can be made he’s as good or better
gradyandrew wrote:Nalod wrote:Like JB said, “Good team, well coached, and young”…..Orlando was not an easy win as their season long record says.
Clyde said it too.
Nalod said it before the game. This was not me making a prediction, it was just stating a fact. First half was awful, slow and plotting game. Good finish! Come from behind on the road need be appreciated.
Given the amount of knick fans in attendance, it was hardly a road game!
NYMentality, the crew they kept showing (shout out to the dude with long stringy hair and the sunglasses!) looked like your kind of crowd! I have gone from Sarasota to Orlando, and back to see knick games there! There and in Miami are huge knick contingencies!
89miles!!! You should have been if you living in Tampa!
I drive 99 miles each way when I see knicks in Charlotte.
I think I saw a graphic which said the game had the 3Rd highest attendance in franchise history. All I could think about was "Hasn't this franchise been to the Finals twice?"
LOL
I think if the magic ownership could sign up for 10 home games with the Knicks they would do it in a nanosecond
The 90’s Magic fans were all fair bulls fans who jumped ship in 1993 when Michael retired and Shaq entered the league. Then Mike came back and Shaq left for LA and all the magic fans disappeared
NYKMentality wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Not the same. Everyone acknowledged that the Celtics were underachieving at the time.
In the Knicks case, I think most people will tell you the Knicks are playing at their highest possible ceiling.
That's completely, false.
R.J. Barrett: 22.
Quentin Grimes: 22.
Deuce McBride: 22
Immanuel Quickley: 23.
Isaiah Hartenstein: 24.
Jericho Sims: 24.
Obi Toppin: 24.
Mitchell Robinson 24.
We've got 8 players.
8 kids in our rotation.
All between the ages of only 22-24.
Average age of only 23.1.
And both of Jalen Brunson (26) and Julius Randle (28) are both still evolving too (they're not anything CLOSE to being who they were @ 22-24 years of age) and I've got statistics, advanced statistical evidence to prove it too.
but you're going to sit here and tell us all how the Knicks are "maxed out"?
That's horse crap man.
And which "most people" are saying such things, who (exactly) are you referring to?
Because i know it's not people who understand player development and/or I know 100% it's not Coach Thibs.
Coach Tom Thibs post game interview (after Orlando's win last night) when asked about the Trade Deadline...
🖊️"I love our team. I love our team. We know we have a really good roster (that we like) and we have a lot of good young players that we know are going to get better as time goes on"🖊️
We can say lots of things about these (extremely young) 2022-2023 Knicks.
But "maxed out" and/or "playing @ their highest ceiling" aren't any two of them.
Uh, huh. What about the other young teams in the league who are also improving? How much growth do you realistically see Hart, Simms, Mitch and RJ making? I said realistically, not some RJ is the next Kobe nonsense. Julius is 28. How much better is he going to get after this season? Some slight improvements. Same for JB. This team isn't going to be more than mid for the next few years There's a small window where Philadelphia and Milwaukee deckines. That's it. This is a middle of the pack team and more moves need to be made.
Show me these advanced statistics. In this case, I'm forgoing statics. I'm just going to go with an old Bill Parcels quote. "You are what you're record says you are."
BigDaddyG wrote:In the Knicks case, I think most people will tell you the Knicks are playing at their highest possible ceiling.
Maybe your perspective is different or something but I just don't agree with this.
Grimes is going to get much better. Jalen is still figuring things out on offense and has a TON of room to get better. Same with Deuce. Same with RJ.
My question would be: how is it remotely possible that anyone woudl think this iteration of guys is anywhere near a possible ceiling.
Just no way "most people" are inline with what you are saying they are. Maybe state your own case.
I wonder if Orlando would be willing to move Isaac? They have way too many forwards and could use a veteran leader and shooting…..que Fournier?
I bet the Knicks would even make them an I’m coming home video
BigDaddyG wrote:Uh, huh. What about the other young teams in the league who are also improving?
Which younger teams are you referring to when in comparison to these extremely young Knicks?
And to quote Bill Parcells, what their overall records while you're @ it? 🤣😭😂
Here's a tour guide for you...
R.J. Barrett = 22.
Quentin Grimes = 22.
Deuce McBride = 22.
Immanuel Quickley = 23.
Isaiah Hartenstein = 24.
Jericho Sims = 24.
Obi Toppin = 24.
Mitchell Robinson = 24.
Jalen Brunson = 26.
Julius Randle = 28.
(No one else is cracking Tom Thibs rotation outside of those 10 kids above).
Average Age = 23.9.
Your turn (show me what you got) and include their W/L records too.
martin wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:In the Knicks case, I think most people will tell you the Knicks are playing at their highest possible ceiling.
Maybe your perspective is different or something but I just don't agree with this.
Grimes is going to get much better. Jalen is still figuring things out on offense and has a TON of room to get better. Same with Deuce. Same with RJ.
My question would be: how is it remotely possible that anyone woudl think this iteration of guys is anywhere near a possible ceiling.
Just no way "most people" are inline with what you are saying they are. Maybe state your own case.
Vegas odds had the over under at 38.5 wins. You look at most preseason projections, most pundits had us pencilled in at the play-in. Grimes projects as a good starter. Not enough to carry this team past mid unless he reaches the highest levels of his season. IQ projects as a quality starter sixth-man. Let's say they keep him and he does reach his highest potential. Still doesn't change the standings much without a whole lot of help. I didn't say all of our players have maxed out it's potential. I said the team, as it currently stands is mid and will need a whole lot of talent to break out of that holding pattern.
NYKMentality wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Uh, huh. What about the other young teams in the league who are also improving?
Which younger teams are you referring to when in comparison to these extremely young Knicks?
And to quote Bill Parcells, what their overall records while you're @ it? 🤣😭😂
Here's a tour guide for you...
R.J. Barrett = 22.
Quentin Grimes = 22.
Deuce McBride = 22.
Immanuel Quickley = 23.
Isaiah Hartenstein = 24.
Jericho Sims = 24.
Obi Toppin = 24.
Mitchell Robinson = 24.
Jalen Brunson = 26.
Julius Randle = 28.
(No one else is cracking Tom Thibs rotation outside of those 10 kids above).
Average Age = 23.9.
Your turn (show me what you got) and include their W/L records too.
No. It may seem hard to believe at times, but I have other things to do.
BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:In the Knicks case, I think most people will tell you the Knicks are playing at their highest possible ceiling.
Maybe your perspective is different or something but I just don't agree with this.
Grimes is going to get much better. Jalen is still figuring things out on offense and has a TON of room to get better. Same with Deuce. Same with RJ.
My question would be: how is it remotely possible that anyone woudl think this iteration of guys is anywhere near a possible ceiling.
Just no way "most people" are inline with what you are saying they are. Maybe state your own case.
Vegas odds had the over under at 38.5 wins. You look at most preseason projections, most pundits had us pencilled in at the play-in. Grimes projects as a good starter. Not enough to carry this team past mid unless he reaches the highest levels of his season. IQ projects as a quality starter sixth-man. Let's say they keep him and he does reach his highest potential. Still doesn't change the standings much without a whole lot of help. I didn't say all of our players have maxed out it's potential. I said the team, as it currently stands is mid and will need a whole lot of talent to break out of that holding pattern.
That is an entirely different statement than "the Knicks are playing at their highest possible ceiling".
No one will disagree with the Knicks needing to add players to get to another level, meaning like top 4 and contender.
BigDaddyG wrote:How much growth do you realistically see R.J
making?
Well.
For one.
R.J. Barret @ only 22 years of age is A.) Our 2nd youngest player on our entire roster outside of only Deuce McBride who's also only 22 years of age and B.) R.J. Barrett is still younger than a lot of 2022-2023 Rookies.
Also...
I'm not sure if you're aware or not but an NBA Players prime isn't considered to begin until the age of 26 (same age as Jalen Brunson) which means R.J. Barrett still has another 4 years (of developing his overall game) before we begin to see his max potential.
Was Julius Randle a 2x All-Star and Top 10 in MVP @ only 22 (6 years ago) or was he only a 22 year old kid during his 3rd year only averaging 13.2 Points Per Game and only 12.2 for his Career?
That that sink in, because I think we already know the answer to that question.
TLDR; R.J. Barrett hasn't even scratched his basketball surface just yet and still has another 4 years before 26 (ala Jalen Brunson wasn't half the player he is today @ only 22 years old).
BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:In the Knicks case, I think most people will tell you the Knicks are playing at their highest possible ceiling.
Maybe your perspective is different or something but I just don't agree with this.
Grimes is going to get much better. Jalen is still figuring things out on offense and has a TON of room to get better. Same with Deuce. Same with RJ.
My question would be: how is it remotely possible that anyone woudl think this iteration of guys is anywhere near a possible ceiling.
Just no way "most people" are inline with what you are saying they are. Maybe state your own case.
Vegas odds had the over under at 38.5 wins. You look at most preseason projections, most pundits had us pencilled in at the play-in. Grimes projects as a good starter. Not enough to carry this team past mid unless he reaches the highest levels of his season. IQ projects as a quality starter sixth-man. Let's say they keep him and he does reach his highest potential. Still doesn't change the standings much without a whole lot of help. I didn't say all of our players have maxed out it's potential. I said the team, as it currently stands is mid and will need a whole lot of talent to break out of that holding pattern.
We have room, 3 point shooting. Brunson, Grimes IQ and McBride can all become consistent 3 point shooters. When that happens we are going to be a much better team. I strongly believe they are all almost there.
BigDaddyG wrote:NYKMentality wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Uh, huh. What about the other young teams in the league who are also improving?
Which younger teams are you referring to when in comparison to these extremely young Knicks?And to quote Bill Parcells, what their overall records while you're @ it?;
Here's a tour guide for you...
R.J. Barrett = 22.
Quentin Grimes = 22.
Deuce McBride = 22.
Immanuel Quickley = 23.
Isaiah Hartenstein = 24.
Jericho Sims = 24.
Obi Toppin = 24.
Mitchell Robinson = 24.
Jalen Brunson = 26.
Julius Randle = 28.
(No one else is cracking Tom Thibs rotation outside of those 10 kids above).
Average Age = 23.9.
Your turn (show me what you got) and include their W/L records too.
No. It may seem hard to believe at times, but I have other things to do.
Hold up.
But aren't you the one with so much knowledge about "other teams max potential"?
You answering my question wouldn't fit your agenda, now would it?
1.)
2.)
3.)
4.)
5.)
I'll make it easy on you.
Give me 5 teams.
Obi needs to yell at his teammates more and demand the ball more, good on him
NYKMentality wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:NYKMentality wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Uh, huh. What about the other young teams in the league who are also improving?
Which younger teams are you referring to when in comparison to these extremely young Knicks?And to quote Bill Parcells, what their overall records while you're @ it?;
Here's a tour guide for you...
R.J. Barrett = 22.
Quentin Grimes = 22.
Deuce McBride = 22.
Immanuel Quickley = 23.
Isaiah Hartenstein = 24.
Jericho Sims = 24.
Obi Toppin = 24.
Mitchell Robinson = 24.
Jalen Brunson = 26.
Julius Randle = 28.
(No one else is cracking Tom Thibs rotation outside of those 10 kids above).
Average Age = 23.9.
Your turn (show me what you got) and include their W/L records too.
No. It may seem hard to believe at times, but I have other things to do.
Hold up.
But aren't you the one with so much knowledge about "other teams max potential"?
You answering my question wouldn't fit your agenda, now would it?
1.)
2.)
3.)
4.)
5.)
I'll make it easy on you.
Give me 5 teams.
Lol, Mentality might need a 3 step program to help him step back and not try and dominate every conversation. It is getting tiresome.
MaTT4281 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:
Not the same. Everyone acknowledged that the Celtics were underachieving at the time. In the Knicks case, I think most people will tell you the Knicks are playing at their highest possible ceiling.
Go rewatch RJ's first 3 quarters and tell me that again with a straight face!
Remember when Jordan would have a bad game and then kill us in the last quarter?
Most don't. They remember the outcome. Why? Its all that matters.
The win or not. Some are ugly. They count. some are snatched from us. They count. After 82 games its what you got.
Knicks won 37 games last year. We at 30 with 26 to go.
I doubt we go 7-19 the rest of the way.
We'll remember the year as JB as the free agent bargain of the era for any team!
Randle return to Allstar status.
Yoot played major roles in place of aging vets.
And RJ is inconsistent.
You have all seen how young we are.
And.......Hopefully a playoff birth and at least .500! I'd say the season in on track for being successful on a modest level, but it is what is.
All while RJ figures out how to be consistent..........
BigDaddyG wrote:Nalod wrote:Like JB said, “Good team, well coached, and young”…..Orlando was not an easy win as their season long record says.
Clyde said it too.
Nalod said it before the game. This was not me making a prediction, it was just stating a fact. First half was awful, slow and plotting game. Good finish! Come from behind on the road need be appreciated.
Given the amount of knick fans in attendance, it was hardly a road game!
NYMentality, the crew they kept showing (shout out to the dude with long stringy hair and the sunglasses!) looked like your kind of crowd! I have gone from Sarasota to Orlando, and back to see knick games there! There and in Miami are huge knick contingencies!
89miles!!! You should have been if you living in Tampa!
I drive 99 miles each way when I see knicks in Charlotte.
Nothing. I know people who've driven 2-3X that distance multiple times in a summer for a Gov't Mile show. You just a need a little something to get you in the right mood.
I just figured NYmentality in Tampa would have tailgated and yelled at all knick fans who even questioned Randle at the start of the year.
martin wrote:
On a positive note RJ got close enough to rest his face on Franz shoulder - baby steps.
