How many silly idea threads do we have going?
Looking forward to rumors we can chew on!
A name that heard mentioned on a talk show is Naz Reid, backup center on Minnesota. He can shoot the 3,is only 24 and also an unrestricted free agent. Could be good addition to prevent defenses from packing the lane. Of course one of the centers would have to go.
foosballnick wrote:KnixinSix wrote:Lets go through the current list of possibly to likely available vs likely not available based on recent rumors....Group A (guys that play both offense and can play D at average to better level)
Siakam
OG
Mitchell (has the ability to play above average defense in right system)
KP (injury prone)
Paul George (age)
Group B (elite offensive players but medium to high defensive liabilities)
KAT
LaVine (Injury prone)
Derozan
Truthfully combining contracts , defense , cost to trade for, and roster contruction all together my favorite 2 moves would be for 2 group A guys in Siakam and Mitchell.
I absolutely love Donovon Mitchell and think he'd be a high level 2 way player here. Hes young and on a lower star contract for the next 2 years. He is also durable. Yes he gives up some height. But we have Grimes and Hart to back him up at the 2. Also he would only be on the floor about 20-24 minutes total together with Brunson. He cam also play the 1. Then your counter move would be to shore up the front court defense with a stud defender in Siakam who can gaurd both the 3 and the 4 and even play some 5 depending on Matchups.
Mitch Rob/Siakam
Siakam/Obi
Hart/FA
D-Mitch/Grimes
Brunson/D-Mitch/McBride
Assets to be moved: RJ,Randle, Quickley, Fournier, DRose, 5-6FRPs
Why would the Cavs move Donovan When they just gave up a boatload to get him last year?
Regarding Siakam. Just don't see it. He's a career .327 shooter from 3 and is the same age as Randle.
Siakam is better than Randle in the key areas this team needs most. Defense and can play mainly 4 but can also defend 3 and 5 depending on matchup. Scoring without the ball. His defense is a huge component for a Thibs team. He also becomes the dynamic scoring 5 to complement Mitchell Robinson.
Donovan wants to play here and Cleveland might have realized the Garland/Mitchell backcourt is not ideal. Again not necessarily a likely scenario to happen but I would say the possibility exists. LaVine might be more realistic.
Would you trade IQ for Herb Jones ? Then sign DiVincenzo MLE.
JesseDark wrote:A name that heard mentioned on a talk show is Naz Reid, backup center on Minnesota. He can shoot the 3,is only 24 and also an unrestricted free agent. Could be good addition to prevent defenses from packing the lane. Of course one of the centers would have to go.
Interesting thought but I think he’s more of a PF than a C. Wants $10 mil per season. If we trade Obi this summer we should definitely take a look at signing him to 2-3 year deal.
Twolves probably won’t resign him because they just traded the farm for Gobert and have KAT locked up
Alpha1971 wrote:Would you trade IQ for Herb Jones ? Then sign DiVincenzo MLE.
Another rotation player that can’t shoot. Not what we need.
Stevo718 wrote:Untouchable-
BrunsonPlayers I would love to keep-
Robinson
Hart
IQ
Everyone else should be available.
Will never win a championship with Randle.
Just like Stephon Marbury, awesome in the regular season and sucked in the post season.
Some players just fold in the post season and do we really need a third post season of poor play by Randle to figure that out?
How much trade value does Randle have? I’m not sure but the first offer that’s halfway decent I would jump on.
This points to struggle understanding the anti Randle narrative. Harsh judgement for the player who battles through 2 severe ankle sprains and averaged a double double in 3 out of the 5 games vs Miami.
Pass for the three players that had a bad series. One who played poorly in entire playoffs and could not take part in any of the games vs Miami. Another player who shot horribly and was basically left open intentionally. And a Center who was outplayed and can cost a team a win with bad FT percentage.
Philc1 wrote:JesseDark wrote:A name that heard mentioned on a talk show is Naz Reid, backup center on Minnesota. He can shoot the 3,is only 24 and also an unrestricted free agent. Could be good addition to prevent defenses from packing the lane. Of course one of the centers would have to go.
Interesting thought but I think he’s more of a PF than a C. Wants $10 mil per season. If we trade Obi this summer we should definitely take a look at signing him to 2-3 year deal.
Twolves probably won’t resign him because they just traded the farm for Gobert and have KAT locked up
6’9 with 7’3 wingspan. Has size for small ball center I suppose.
That he is UFA makes him valuable. Lots of teams will look at him at that price point.
Obi is a different type of player and we might be seeing him walk also?
If we don’t get a center who can get a high % shot and be part of the offense we won’t get by rd 2
Gudris wrote:Bring back Porzingis, he loves to play with Brunson
In the name of winning I would do it.
BRIGGS wrote:Gudris wrote:Bring back Porzingis, he loves to play with Brunson
In the name of winning I would do it.
KP didn't help Dallas or Washington, what makes you think a renewal of nuptials with the Knicks will flourish?
The concept is good but the player is as iffy as KP is tall, skinny, and oft-injured.
I am not sure whether we need a center who can shoot so much as one who is at least a legitimate part of the offense. It's gotten to the point of being ridiculous with Mitch. The team passes him the ball and he's surprised and i don't blame him. Given that he's not a good distributor, rarely finishes on the break, it's like we're playing 4 on 5. Yes he grabs a lot of offensive rebounds but he also has 20% more opportunity because he never shoots
I say all of this loving the guy, but we either have to integrate him in some way or we're playing with a handicap.
martin wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Gudris wrote:Bring back Porzingis, he loves to play with Brunson
In the name of winning I would do it.
KP didn't help Dallas or Washington, what makes you think a renewal of nuptials with the Knicks will flourish?
The concept is good but the player is as iffy as KP is tall, skinny, and oft-injured.
Exactly. KP is fools gold. Always was and always will be. Let him rot with the wizards or whatever team with cap space that’s dumb enough to offer him a contract
I'm not really sure how to accurately judge Denver's supposed long haul strategy. Jokic and Hurry and to a lesser extent Michael Porter Jr. are the foundation for the team. I'd add Mike Malone to that group as well. Otherwise, their players have come through trades, Gordon and KCP, or free agency, Brown and Jeff Green.
As it pertains to the Knicks, because they don't have anyone making the max or in line to make it, there is the potential to keep the core locked in for awhile. Grimes, Robinson, Randle, Brunson, and RJ all have at least two seasons left. IQ and Obi are also pretty close as Knicks will have matching rights.
I started the offseason thinking keep it quiet and then got caught up in a trade for KAT. Now I'm back thinking that the best moves are just to try and sign Hart, IQ, and Obi to reasonable extensions. Knicks had the 3rd best record in the East after the trade deadline, after the Bucks and 76ers. Usually there's some adjustments with a new coach. Maybe the best moves are the ones you don't make.
Robinson/ Hartenstein
Randle/ Toppin
RJ
Grimes/ Hart
Brunson/ IQ
Tossing Deuce and Sims into the mix and the Knicks have a lot of injury depth as Hart RJ IQ and Grimes can slide between positions. Maybe this should be a quiet summer.
martin wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Gudris wrote:Bring back Porzingis, he loves to play with Brunson
In the name of winning I would do it.
KP didn't help Dallas or Washington, what makes you think a renewal of nuptials with the Knicks will flourish?
The concept is good but the player is as iffy as KP is tall, skinny, and oft-injured.
Not gonna lie. You take the 18 foot jump shot out of KP’s repertoire and put him on the same shooting chart as Randle was using to start the season and you have a player as good or better than Markannen. The only question is IF he is coachable.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/lauri-m...
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/kristap...
If you track KP by season, his shot chart is improving. Now the key thing for me in that Shot Chart is that he is best from the 3 point line behind the top of the key. This means that you 1) are pulling a big out of the paint, 2) have a big man back on defense. This is what Brook Lopez is for Giannis. Let Zingis be this for Randle and let Randle ball out.
Injury, cost, attitude(?) are all reasons not to do this. But if I am looking for the argument why it makes sense to make it work, it’s because he is 7’3 with a 7’6 wingspan that historically shot 35-40% from 3 at the top of the key. That’s archetype player you want for Brunson and Randle to do their thing in the half-court set. Add two 3&Ds that can move without the ball and the ability to complete a swing pass and you have the team I am looking for.
gradyandrew wrote:I'm not really sure how to accurately judge Denver's supposed long haul strategy. Jokic and Hurry and to a lesser extent Michael Porter Jr. are the foundation for the team. I'd add Mike Malone to that group as well. Otherwise, their players have come through trades, Gordon and KCP, or free agency, Brown and Jeff Green. As it pertains to the Knicks, because they don't have anyone making the max or in line to make it, there is the potential to keep the core locked in for awhile. Grimes, Robinson, Randle, Brunson, and RJ all have at least two seasons left. IQ and Obi are also pretty close as Knicks will have matching rights.
I started the offseason thinking keep it quiet and then got caught up in a trade for KAT. Now I'm back thinking that the best moves are just to try and sign Hart, IQ, and Obi to reasonable extensions. Knicks had the 3rd best record in the East after the trade deadline, after the Bucks and 76ers. Usually there's some adjustments with a new coach. Maybe the best moves are the ones you don't make.
Robinson/ Hartenstein
Randle/ Toppin
RJ
Grimes/ Hart
Brunson/ IQ
Tossing Deuce and Sims into the mix and the Knicks have a lot of injury depth as Hart RJ IQ and Grimes can slide between positions. Maybe this should be a quiet summer.
Denver’s success should be sustainable. They have the perfect starting lineup for today’s game. They have a transcendent center, a second option that raises to the level of superstar in the playoffs, a good third option scorer in MPJ, and 2 elite defenders who can also make threes. It’s a young team too. They have a solid 6th man but will constantly have to remake the bench year over year to keep it going. And they have 5 guys in the starting lineup that make threes. Knicks have a good thing going but they eventually have to address the 3pt shooter in the lineup. Either Robinson or RJ will have to get replaced by shooting.
Kudo’s to both the finals teams for the jobs they have done. Nuggs have been formitable but injuries have delayed this rise. Bubble Murray was revelation and was a glimpse of what was to come.
Key for them and others in the new order of parity that you create a core around the money players and do it efficiently. So easy to say and type and yet so hard to execute.
Its why exec and coaches of quality are in such demand and getting paid. Teams can pay and its not on the cap.
We tried with Phil Jax, and had to reboot that process. KP was not the guy he wanted to build with. He wanted to trade him.
Right or wrong (Pre ACL KP), it was a process thing. DOlan did not want his star traded. Maybe Mills was all too eager to grap his power back agreed with Dolan. The lack of back bone might had ultimately been his demise. He should have pushed back.
I’ll even say Phil Jax had free reign with all but could not trade Melo. Just a guess folks………
This is how we get here and why its taking so long.
Denver lost Connelly last year to minny and kept it going. Starts at the top. Kroenke in three years has Rams winning super bowl, Avalance winning Stanley cup last year, and now Nuggs winning.
Rams did not do it with picks. Can’t say it was all the same process for each team. Rams did it NOT thru the draft! I think Murry went 8th in draft (Knicks melo swap pick owed), Porter 14th (needed back surgery) and the cornerstone MVP Jokic in 2nd round. Fucking brilliant! Hindsight genius! They actually did it! Shows one need not Tank to add pieces.
Patience, opportunities to create luck, and really good hires in FO, coaches and scouts.
Do we reach this pinnacle? Not like other teams are ignorant to the cap rules and adding quality to staffing.
We are on the right track for for now! RX for now? “Be cool”.
Knixkik wrote:gradyandrew wrote:I'm not really sure how to accurately judge Denver's supposed long haul strategy. Jokic and Hurry and to a lesser extent Michael Porter Jr. are the foundation for the team. I'd add Mike Malone to that group as well. Otherwise, their players have come through trades, Gordon and KCP, or free agency, Brown and Jeff Green. As it pertains to the Knicks, because they don't have anyone making the max or in line to make it, there is the potential to keep the core locked in for awhile. Grimes, Robinson, Randle, Brunson, and RJ all have at least two seasons left. IQ and Obi are also pretty close as Knicks will have matching rights.
I started the offseason thinking keep it quiet and then got caught up in a trade for KAT. Now I'm back thinking that the best moves are just to try and sign Hart, IQ, and Obi to reasonable extensions. Knicks had the 3rd best record in the East after the trade deadline, after the Bucks and 76ers. Usually there's some adjustments with a new coach. Maybe the best moves are the ones you don't make.
Robinson/ Hartenstein
Randle/ Toppin
RJ
Grimes/ Hart
Brunson/ IQ
Tossing Deuce and Sims into the mix and the Knicks have a lot of injury depth as Hart RJ IQ and Grimes can slide between positions. Maybe this should be a quiet summer.
Denver’s success should be sustainable. They have the perfect starting lineup for today’s game. They have a transcendent center, a second option that raises to the level of superstar in the playoffs, a good third option scorer in MPJ, and 2 elite defenders who can also make threes. It’s a young team too. They have a solid 6th man but will constantly have to remake the bench year over year to keep it going. And they have 5 guys in the starting lineup that make threes. Knicks have a good thing going but they eventually have to address the 3pt shooter in the lineup. Either Robinson or RJ will have to get replaced by shooting.
Or do what Miami did and sign under the radar guys who can shoot the 3 to come off the bench. There are guys available like Burks and Watanabe who won’t cost much. No need to salary dump RJ or trade him and a boatload of assets for an aging star who will miss half the games
