Knicks · Our season is over. What is your RX for the team in the offseason? (page 2)
Alpha1971 wrote:What I want to see is Brunson as team leader after the vacation to rest body and soul, gets his college teammate Hart, plus RJ and whoever else wants to workout together, united on working on shooting from outside and swinging the ball so they can spread the floor. Get RJ and Hart elite at shooting the 3. Get Mitch average at the FT line and at setting picks. The improvement of RJ and Hart shooting the 3 to 38pct or better would change the offense. Plus get a reserve PG to back up Brunson who can shoot and okay D. If it's Rokas great if not use his rights in a trade to get someone in a trade that can do that. Should be fun offseason. I expect the team to be involved in lots of rumors. But Leon is more conservative and will make moves if the deal is team friendly asset wise
Why limit yourself like that?
I want a top 2 reserve who can shoot 40% from 3 as a spot starter and top ten in the league in fg% defense. Sadly, players like that are probably out of reach.
gradyandrew wrote:Stevo718 wrote:Untouchable-
BrunsonPlayers I would love to keep-
Robinson
Hart
IQEveryone else should be available.
Will never win a championship with Randle.
Just like Stephon Marbury, awesome in the regular season and sucked in the post season.
Some players just fold in the post season and do we really need a third post season of poor play by Randle to figure that out?
How much trade value does Randle have? I’m not sure but the first offer that’s halfway decent I would jump on.Honestly, Knicks fans said the same thing about Eddy Curry. Two years after we traded him, he got a ring with Miami.
Lol! He played a few games during the regular season and I don’t even think he played during the post season.
Giannis is a pipe dream
Philc1 wrote:Biggest need by far is 3 point shooting off the bench. Sign Burks and Watanabe to one year deals and trade IQ for draft picks. I’m open to sending Randle, IQ and picks to Minnesota for KAT
Giannis is a pipe dream
Extend IQ he is a player who will get better. He needed this experience. I like the idea of Watanabe and Burks. Randall let's see if anyone offers something valuable. All NBA 2 out 3 years and has major reliability as a plus. But he is cray cray as a negative and ball dominant. If another team had Randall they would demand a Gobert type package. Can we get a haul like that ?
BigDaddyG wrote:We need a defender at the forward spot, preferably through the draft or UDFA. It doesn't have to be OG, who probably doesn't help us win this series anyway. But it's a glaring weakness in their defensive profile. We also need more guys who can create off the dribble. Maybe IQ and Grimes get there consistently, but it's a weakness. We also need to diversify our offensive schemes. Iso is OK, but the team gets to stagnant and becomes easy to key in on. Lastly, I'd like to see them try out Randle at the five more. Hopefully this boosts RJ into the next season. Grimes and IQ were trash, but the experience is invaluable. I can't remember the last time I felt this confident about team's future. Now Leon and Brock need to get to work.
Who is this? And what have you done to Bigdaddy?
All good points. Will flip the switch and add that we need a formidable number two that will ball out like JB did in the playoffs.
Biggest agreement is a SF that can shoot and defend. As is with Iso ball. Which only works if you have really good shooters you can rotate bal to when teams double.
Stevo718 wrote:gradyandrew wrote:Stevo718 wrote:Untouchable-
BrunsonPlayers I would love to keep-
Robinson
Hart
IQEveryone else should be available.
Will never win a championship with Randle.
Just like Stephon Marbury, awesome in the regular season and sucked in the post season.
Some players just fold in the post season and do we really need a third post season of poor play by Randle to figure that out?
How much trade value does Randle have? I’m not sure but the first offer that’s halfway decent I would jump on.Honestly, Knicks fans said the same thing about Eddy Curry. Two years after we traded him, he got a ring with Miami.
Lol! He played a few games during the regular season and I don’t even think he played during the post season.
I was joking, but yeah- anyone can win a championship if they are on a team with multiple first ballot Hall of famers. To win a championship you have to get to the playoffs and Knicks don't make the playoffs without Randle this season. As Thibs said, Randle is just entering his prime, with the subtext being "and he's the oldest guy in the rotation."
Vmart wrote:I would think we need to move on from Randle and Robinson. The Knicks need a big man with skills. Mitch is good defensively but everything else is bad. Randle if you don’t know it by now is not a big game performer and all playoff games are big game. If the Knicks could add KAT it would be nice. It’s time to get Obi into the lineup. That’s what the Knicks need to do.
I like KAT but I see he is lil light when it comes to rebounding (only 8 a game) but he solves the offense in the pivot problem. Are we giving up Randle to get KAT?
What to do with Randle/Barrett? I'll go with trading Randle if we have the right deal on the table, assuming that we might not get players with the same ceiling, but maybe trusting Obi and Grimes development and keep stocking draft picks is the way to go. I'm skeptical of KAT, specially for its willingness to play Center. We cannot put him in the same situation that he was in Minnesota with Robinson instead of Gobert.
Im thinking it starts with IQ wanting a path to be a starter. If so try to orchestrate a trade. Naturally the market will tell him how desired he is and how much it will pay him. If not, he comes back. No need to extend either as he is restricted. Knicks could give him a number and its on him to decide. I know fans don’t like uncertainty so it will call for knicks to extend.
Be cool, FO got this.
I like OBI and would be ok using Randle for a big trade. Lets be real, he is an allstar and two time all NBA but flawed. So a team in a pickle to move from a star can get good production from him while they rebuild. He is not our franchise player and won’t be anothers. What can Randle and IQ with two picks buy us?
Mitch for Ayton. PHX needs bodies. Mitch, IQ and EF. Ayton needs buy in cuz Thibs gonna be in his head and up his ass.
We need offense. Ayton can be Bam light. Thibs gets him there or breaks him. With some interior offense Randle will have room to move about and get some easier shots.
KAT. Here Randle goes. Minny can’t win with KAT, we can’t win with Jules. Is it really worth it?
Luka. Cube might be in a pickle. This is expensive. Randle, IQ, and Mitch plus a pick. This sounds nuts right? It is. Unless Luka wants out and cube understands we have the best offer. True “MaverKnicks” karma.
Giannis: Randle fills a stat sheet and Milwaukee has to offer the fans some production while they retool. Gonna take more than Jules of course.
Nalod keeps RJ because I think there is a world were this iso thing is reduced and RJ get room to grow.
Not lost on me is we looked good until the last 6 games. Heat made us look bad and its our last view of this team so we naturally are reacting to it. Vs. Cavs we looked good!!!!
I have faith FO won’t be so tainted about the ending and more objective to face a reality. We are prime for a consolidation trade for a “star”.
Few outlying starphuchs.
1. Klay Thompson. Has one more year at 43mil. He wants an extension beyond. He got some scotty pippen thoughts being Stephs wingman and he was robbed of a few years due to injury. Not sure how to do this or if I want to. Grimes ceiling is him.
2. James Harden. I know the rumors are PHilly or Rockets. We need to clear space and thats never for free and there would be other things involved.
HofstraBBall wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:We need a defender at the forward spot, preferably through the draft or UDFA. It doesn't have to be OG, who probably doesn't help us win this series anyway. But it's a glaring weakness in their defensive profile. We also need more guys who can create off the dribble. Maybe IQ and Grimes get there consistently, but it's a weakness. We also need to diversify our offensive schemes. Iso is OK, but the team gets to stagnant and becomes easy to key in on. Lastly, I'd like to see them try out Randle at the five more. Hopefully this boosts RJ into the next season. Grimes and IQ were trash, but the experience is invaluable. I can't remember the last time I felt this confident about team's future. Now Leon and Brock need to get to work.Who is this? And what have you done to Bigdaddy?
All good points. Will flip the switch and add that we need a formidable number two that will ball out like JB did in the playoffs.
Biggest agreement is a SF that can shoot and defend. As is with Iso ball. Which only works if you have really good shooters you can rotate bal to when teams double.
I mean, I'm still looking to trade your daddy Randle if there's a move that makes sense. 😉
Alpha1971 wrote:Philc1 wrote:Biggest need by far is 3 point shooting off the bench. Sign Burks and Watanabe to one year deals and trade IQ for draft picks. I’m open to sending Randle, IQ and picks to Minnesota for KAT
Giannis is a pipe dreamExtend IQ he is a player who will get better. He needed this experience. I like the idea of Watanabe and Burks. Randall let's see if anyone offers something valuable. All NBA 2 out 3 years and has major reliability as a plus. But he is cray cray as a negative and ball dominant. If another team had Randall they would demand a Gobert type package. Can we get a haul like that ?
Randle’s value is high right now but no one is giving us a Gobert-type package for him. Another possibility is Randle and Mitch for Ayton
JesseDark wrote:Vmart wrote:I would think we need to move on from Randle and Robinson. The Knicks need a big man with skills. Mitch is good defensively but everything else is bad. Randle if you don’t know it by now is not a big game performer and all playoff games are big game. If the Knicks could add KAT it would be nice. It’s time to get Obi into the lineup. That’s what the Knicks need to do.I like KAT but I see he is lil light when it comes to rebounding (only 8 a game) but he solves the offense in the pivot problem. Are we giving up Randle to get KAT?
The interesting thing about KAT is he may not have hit his ceiling yet.
Philc1 wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Philc1 wrote:Biggest need by far is 3 point shooting off the bench. Sign Burks and Watanabe to one year deals and trade IQ for draft picks. I’m open to sending Randle, IQ and picks to Minnesota for KAT
Giannis is a pipe dreamExtend IQ he is a player who will get better. He needed this experience. I like the idea of Watanabe and Burks. Randall let's see if anyone offers something valuable. All NBA 2 out 3 years and has major reliability as a plus. But he is cray cray as a negative and ball dominant. If another team had Randall they would demand a Gobert type package. Can we get a haul like that ?
Randle’s value is high right now but no one is giving us a Gobert-type package for him. Another possibility is Randle and Mitch for Ayton
Mitchell Robinson leads then NBA in offensive rebounds, and protects the rim.
I know a lot of people here don’t care much for him but I love his game and I wouldn’t trade him.
But Mitchell is really a huge reason we made it this far in the playoffs, he averaged 5 offensive rebounds per game by himself. Surround Brunson with two shooters and we wouldn’t even be talking about trading Mitchell for a rebounding/shooting big man. Mitchel is kind of like our version of Dennis Rodman.
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I mean the ONLY two reasons we really made it this far in the playoffs were offensive rebounding and Brunson (and some decent defense that could have been a little better). Tell me otherwise.
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What’s funny is I compared Mitchell to Rodman, but what’s funny is Brunson was putting up Jordan like numbers. Now if only Randle could play like Pippen 😂
JesseDark wrote:Vmart wrote:I would think we need to move on from Randle and Robinson. The Knicks need a big man with skills. Mitch is good defensively but everything else is bad. Randle if you don’t know it by now is not a big game performer and all playoff games are big game. If the Knicks could add KAT it would be nice. It’s time to get Obi into the lineup. That’s what the Knicks need to do.I like KAT but I see he is lil light when it comes to rebounding (only 8 a game) but he solves the offense in the pivot problem. Are we giving up Randle to get KAT?
I think you have to give up Randle for KAT and some. You might have to give some picks along with Randle. I would do that you are getting a legitimate center a floor spreader at the center position. Which allows a lot of room for Brunson in the low blocks.
BigDaddyG wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:We need a defender at the forward spot, preferably through the draft or UDFA. It doesn't have to be OG, who probably doesn't help us win this series anyway. But it's a glaring weakness in their defensive profile. We also need more guys who can create off the dribble. Maybe IQ and Grimes get there consistently, but it's a weakness. We also need to diversify our offensive schemes. Iso is OK, but the team gets to stagnant and becomes easy to key in on. Lastly, I'd like to see them try out Randle at the five more. Hopefully this boosts RJ into the next season. Grimes and IQ were trash, but the experience is invaluable. I can't remember the last time I felt this confident about team's future. Now Leon and Brock need to get to work.Who is this? And what have you done to Bigdaddy?
All good points. Will flip the switch and add that we need a formidable number two that will ball out like JB did in the playoffs.
Biggest agreement is a SF that can shoot and defend. As is with Iso ball. Which only works if you have really good shooters you can rotate bal to when teams double.
I mean, I'm still looking to trade your daddy Randle if there's a move that makes sense. 😉
After that game six performance, I am in. Despite injury. Btw, rumor was he had a bruised quad.
But yeah, As long as it's not for someone more costly and less productive.
We need another elite scorer who likes the big moment.
Gotta build around JB.
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Philc1 wrote:JesseDark wrote:Vmart wrote:I would think we need to move on from Randle and Robinson. The Knicks need a big man with skills. Mitch is good defensively but everything else is bad. Randle if you don’t know it by now is not a big game performer and all playoff games are big game. If the Knicks could add KAT it would be nice. It’s time to get Obi into the lineup. That’s what the Knicks need to do.I like KAT but I see he is lil light when it comes to rebounding (only 8 a game) but he solves the offense in the pivot problem. Are we giving up Randle to get KAT?
The interesting thing about KAT is he may not have hit his ceiling yet.
KAT is a good player. He may be due $50 million. For that kind of .oney one wil ask why has he not put a team on his back to the playoffs yet? That kind of money should get you someone who can every year. JB is a good example of someone who can for A LOT less.
Unlike the idea of Vucevic as an under the radar target if you want to add offense at the 5
Do whatever I can to get into the later picks and take trayce davis. He’s a tough physical high skill center we do not have
Resign iq and hart
Obi hartenstein as possible trade fodder for a draft pick
Keep eye on quality vet sg
HofstraBBall wrote:Philc1 wrote:JesseDark wrote:Vmart wrote:I would think we need to move on from Randle and Robinson. The Knicks need a big man with skills. Mitch is good defensively but everything else is bad. Randle if you don’t know it by now is not a big game performer and all playoff games are big game. If the Knicks could add KAT it would be nice. It’s time to get Obi into the lineup. That’s what the Knicks need to do.I like KAT but I see he is lil light when it comes to rebounding (only 8 a game) but he solves the offense in the pivot problem. Are we giving up Randle to get KAT?
The interesting thing about KAT is he may not have hit his ceiling yet.
KAT is a good player. He may be due $50 million. For that kind of .oney one wil ask why has he not put a team on his back to the playoffs yet? That kind of money should get you someone who can every year. JB is a good example of someone who can for A LOT less.
Unlike the idea of Vucevic as an under the radar target if you want to add offense at the 5
I get the idea of upgrading the C position for spacing but if the Knicks wing players could hit just the average rate of 3pointers, they are literally good.
BRIGGS wrote:Continuity with a twistDo whatever I can to get into the later picks and take trayce davis. He’s a tough physical high skill center we do not have
Resign iq and hart
Obi hartenstein as possible trade fodder for a draft pick
Keep eye on quality vet sg
The problem with a rookie is will Thibs trust him enough to play him?