Knicks · Our season is over. What is your RX for the team in the offseason? (page 3)

BRIGGS wrote:Continuity with a twist

Do whatever I can to get into the later picks and take trayce davis. He’s a tough physical high skill center we do not have

Resign iq and hart

Obi hartenstein as possible trade fodder for a draft pick

Keep eye on quality vet sg

The problem with a rookie is will Thibs trust him enough to play him?

JesseDark wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Continuity with a twist

Do whatever I can to get into the later picks and take trayce davis. He’s a tough physical high skill center we do not have

Resign iq and hart

Obi hartenstein as possible trade fodder for a draft pick

Keep eye on quality vet sg

The problem with a rookie is will Thibs trust him enough to play him?

Right, or spend time developing any young players.

Or be able to coach offense.

Knicks are lucky Thibs has people to tell him what to do these days.

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

JesseDark wrote:

Vmart wrote:I would think we need to move on from Randle and Robinson. The Knicks need a big man with skills. Mitch is good defensively but everything else is bad. Randle if you don’t know it by now is not a big game performer and all playoff games are big game. If the Knicks could add KAT it would be nice. It’s time to get Obi into the lineup. That’s what the Knicks need to do.

I like KAT but I see he is lil light when it comes to rebounding (only 8 a game) but he solves the offense in the pivot problem. Are we giving up Randle to get KAT?

The interesting thing about KAT is he may not have hit his ceiling yet.

KAT is a good player. He may be due $50 million. For that kind of .oney one wil ask why has he not put a team on his back to the playoffs yet? That kind of money should get you someone who can every year. JB is a good example of someone who can for A LOT less.
Unlike the idea of Vucevic as an under the radar target if you want to add offense at the 5

I get the idea of upgrading the C position for spacing but if the Knicks wing players could hit just the average rate of 3pointers, they are literally good.

I would be happy with one that can hit a 12 foot jumper. Aka, STAT or Bam. We have a really good PG now. Would love a center that could run a 2 option pick and roll with. Right now, MR can only dive to the basket on PnR's. Often wondered why they did not do so with Randle. Perhaps Thibs feels JB is better on iso? Maybe right.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

JesseDark wrote:

Vmart wrote:I would think we need to move on from Randle and Robinson. The Knicks need a big man with skills. Mitch is good defensively but everything else is bad. Randle if you don’t know it by now is not a big game performer and all playoff games are big game. If the Knicks could add KAT it would be nice. It’s time to get Obi into the lineup. That’s what the Knicks need to do.

I like KAT but I see he is lil light when it comes to rebounding (only 8 a game) but he solves the offense in the pivot problem. Are we giving up Randle to get KAT?

The interesting thing about KAT is he may not have hit his ceiling yet.

KAT is a good player. He may be due $50 million. For that kind of .oney one wil ask why has he not put a team on his back to the playoffs yet? That kind of money should get you someone who can every year. JB is a good example of someone who can for A LOT less.
Unlike the idea of Vucevic as an under the radar target if you want to add offense at the 5

Vucevic is a nice under the radar target if the main target fails. Vucevic has been playing with a pretty good team and the results aren’t there we would just be that team with Vucevic. The Knicks wouldn’t improve much than having Robinson back simply because the Knicks defense would suffer with Vucevic. The Knicks need an elite talent that can score and provide defense.

JesseDark wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Continuity with a twist

Do whatever I can to get into the later picks and take trayce davis. He’s a tough physical high skill center we do not have

Resign iq and hart

Obi hartenstein as possible trade fodder for a draft pick

Keep eye on quality vet sg

The problem with a rookie is will Thibs trust him enough to play him?

No developmental time for davis— no way. He’s physically a man has 4 years of college and honed skills( the only exception is the mid range j)

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

JesseDark wrote:

Vmart wrote:I would think we need to move on from Randle and Robinson. The Knicks need a big man with skills. Mitch is good defensively but everything else is bad. Randle if you don’t know it by now is not a big game performer and all playoff games are big game. If the Knicks could add KAT it would be nice. It’s time to get Obi into the lineup. That’s what the Knicks need to do.

I like KAT but I see he is lil light when it comes to rebounding (only 8 a game) but he solves the offense in the pivot problem. Are we giving up Randle to get KAT?

The interesting thing about KAT is he may not have hit his ceiling yet.

KAT is a good player. He may be due $50 million. For that kind of .oney one wil ask why has he not put a team on his back to the playoffs yet? That kind of money should get you someone who can every year. JB is a good example of someone who can for A LOT less.
Unlike the idea of Vucevic as an under the radar target if you want to add offense at the 5

I get the idea of upgrading the C position for spacing but if the Knicks wing players could hit just the average rate of 3pointers, they are literally good.

Well adding KAT solves a little bit as he can shoot threes. Unless RJ makes a drastic improvement with his three point shooting it’s going to be up and down as far as three point shooting goes.

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

JesseDark wrote:

Vmart wrote:I would think we need to move on from Randle and Robinson. The Knicks need a big man with skills. Mitch is good defensively but everything else is bad. Randle if you don’t know it by now is not a big game performer and all playoff games are big game. If the Knicks could add KAT it would be nice. It’s time to get Obi into the lineup. That’s what the Knicks need to do.

I like KAT but I see he is lil light when it comes to rebounding (only 8 a game) but he solves the offense in the pivot problem. Are we giving up Randle to get KAT?

The interesting thing about KAT is he may not have hit his ceiling yet.

KAT is a good player. He may be due $50 million. For that kind of .oney one wil ask why has he not put a team on his back to the playoffs yet? That kind of money should get you someone who can every year. JB is a good example of someone who can for A LOT less.
Unlike the idea of Vucevic as an under the radar target if you want to add offense at the 5

I get the idea of upgrading the C position for spacing but if the Knicks wing players could hit just the average rate of 3pointers, they are literally good.

Well adding KAT solves a little bit as he can shoot threes. Unless RJ makes a drastic improvement with his three point shooting it’s going to be up and down as far as three point shooting goes.

I don’t like to say stuff like kat. It’s not realistic

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

JesseDark wrote:

Vmart wrote:I would think we need to move on from Randle and Robinson. The Knicks need a big man with skills. Mitch is good defensively but everything else is bad. Randle if you don’t know it by now is not a big game performer and all playoff games are big game. If the Knicks could add KAT it would be nice. It’s time to get Obi into the lineup. That’s what the Knicks need to do.

I like KAT but I see he is lil light when it comes to rebounding (only 8 a game) but he solves the offense in the pivot problem. Are we giving up Randle to get KAT?

The interesting thing about KAT is he may not have hit his ceiling yet.

KAT is a good player. He may be due $50 million. For that kind of .oney one wil ask why has he not put a team on his back to the playoffs yet? That kind of money should get you someone who can every year. JB is a good example of someone who can for A LOT less.
Unlike the idea of Vucevic as an under the radar target if you want to add offense at the 5

I get the idea of upgrading the C position for spacing but if the Knicks wing players could hit just the average rate of 3pointers, they are literally good.

Well adding KAT solves a little bit as he can shoot threes. Unless RJ makes a drastic improvement with his three point shooting it’s going to be up and down as far as three point shooting goes.

I think KAT takes away so much defensively that it negates his offense. That's says a lot when you consider he's one of the most efficient face up bigs off all time.

Randle has no one to play a two way game with. Personally I think some moves can be made to make Randles life easier.
For that matter, I think RJ can work his way back closer to the 40% level on his three. JB and Grimes are already good.
This is part of my Ayton pitch.
I don’t know why he and Monty did not get on and perhaps Suns see it as one reason they fired him.
so many ways we can go. Instinctively its about evolving rather the current core and adding to it. To me, improving the 5 and the 2 could be best. Im not against Grimes coming back but Mitch offensive deficiencies are rather problematic. Could be as simple as moving Ihart to start, and NAz reid as back up.

Mitch, IQ, ef and pick for Beal.

Nalod wrote:Randle has no one to play a two way game with. Personally I think some moves can be made to make Randles life easier.
For that matter, I think RJ can work his way back closer to the 40% level on his three. JB and Grimes are already good.
This is part of my Ayton pitch.
I don’t know why he and Monty did not get on and perhaps Suns see it as one reason they fired him.
so many ways we can go. Instinctively its about evolving rather the current core and adding to it. To me, improving the 5 and the 2 could be best. Im not against Grimes coming back but Mitch offensive deficiencies are rather problematic. Could be as simple as moving Ihart to start, and NAz reid as back up.

Mitch, IQ, ef and pick for Beal.

You had me at Hello man!

Pretty happy with how this team worked. It’s not perfect but they have the ability to develop the skills they need.

If I am making NBA2K style trades, for players that maybe aren’t the 4 picks and 3 swaps variety, I am going after

Mikal Bridges
OG Anunoby
JJJ (would need to demand a trade. As reigning DPOY, his stock value skyrocketed)
Myles Turner

If stars aligned, I could see a situation where the Knicks gathered a bit of star power around Brunson. They have the picks and the youth to pull off some big moves.

EwingsGlass wrote:Pretty happy with how this team worked. It’s not perfect but they have the ability to develop the skills they need.

If I am making NBA2K style trades, for players that maybe aren’t the 4 picks and 3 swaps variety, I am going after

Mikal Bridges
OG Anunoby
JJJ (would need to demand a trade. As reigning DPOY, his stock value skyrocketed)
Myles Turner

If stars aligned, I could see a situation where the Knicks gathered a bit of star power around Brunson. They have the picks and the youth to pull off some big moves.

Bridges for shizz. I'd give up 3 picks and 3 swaps plus EF plus salary ballast.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

JesseDark wrote:

Vmart wrote:I would think we need to move on from Randle and Robinson. The Knicks need a big man with skills. Mitch is good defensively but everything else is bad. Randle if you don’t know it by now is not a big game performer and all playoff games are big game. If the Knicks could add KAT it would be nice. It’s time to get Obi into the lineup. That’s what the Knicks need to do.

I like KAT but I see he is lil light when it comes to rebounding (only 8 a game) but he solves the offense in the pivot problem. Are we giving up Randle to get KAT?

The interesting thing about KAT is he may not have hit his ceiling yet.

KAT is a good player. He may be due $50 million. For that kind of .oney one wil ask why has he not put a team on his back to the playoffs yet? That kind of money should get you someone who can every year. JB is a good example of someone who can for A LOT less.
Unlike the idea of Vucevic as an under the radar target if you want to add offense at the 5

Sometimes a player needs a change of scenery. Randle has definitely peaked here after being considered pretty much a bust with the lakers. I don’t think im being a Randle-hater when I say KAT has more talent and a higher ceiling than Randle. He’s from the NY/NJ area and would love to be here instead of literal nba Siberia

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

JesseDark wrote:

Vmart wrote:I would think we need to move on from Randle and Robinson. The Knicks need a big man with skills. Mitch is good defensively but everything else is bad. Randle if you don’t know it by now is not a big game performer and all playoff games are big game. If the Knicks could add KAT it would be nice. It’s time to get Obi into the lineup. That’s what the Knicks need to do.

I like KAT but I see he is lil light when it comes to rebounding (only 8 a game) but he solves the offense in the pivot problem. Are we giving up Randle to get KAT?

The interesting thing about KAT is he may not have hit his ceiling yet.

KAT is a good player. He may be due $50 million. For that kind of .oney one wil ask why has he not put a team on his back to the playoffs yet? That kind of money should get you someone who can every year. JB is a good example of someone who can for A LOT less.
Unlike the idea of Vucevic as an under the radar target if you want to add offense at the 5

I get the idea of upgrading the C position for spacing but if the Knicks wing players could hit just the average rate of 3pointers, they are literally good.

I would be happy with one that can hit a 12 foot jumper. Aka, STAT or Bam. We have a really good PG now. Would love a center that could run a 2 option pick and roll with. Right now, MR can only dive to the basket on PnR's. Often wondered why they did not do so with Randle. Perhaps Thibs feels JB is better on iso? Maybe right.

Ayton is another guy we need to go after and we have the assets to possibly get him. The suns supposedly are shopping some of their guys. I don’t want Durant he’s fool’s gold and will never come here.

Can we trade for Caleb Martin ? As a back up 3.

Philc1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

JesseDark wrote:

Vmart wrote:I would think we need to move on from Randle and Robinson. The Knicks need a big man with skills. Mitch is good defensively but everything else is bad. Randle if you don’t know it by now is not a big game performer and all playoff games are big game. If the Knicks could add KAT it would be nice. It’s time to get Obi into the lineup. That’s what the Knicks need to do.

I like KAT but I see he is lil light when it comes to rebounding (only 8 a game) but he solves the offense in the pivot problem. Are we giving up Randle to get KAT?

The interesting thing about KAT is he may not have hit his ceiling yet.

KAT is a good player. He may be due $50 million. For that kind of .oney one wil ask why has he not put a team on his back to the playoffs yet? That kind of money should get you someone who can every year. JB is a good example of someone who can for A LOT less.
Unlike the idea of Vucevic as an under the radar target if you want to add offense at the 5

I get the idea of upgrading the C position for spacing but if the Knicks wing players could hit just the average rate of 3pointers, they are literally good.

I would be happy with one that can hit a 12 foot jumper. Aka, STAT or Bam. We have a really good PG now. Would love a center that could run a 2 option pick and roll with. Right now, MR can only dive to the basket on PnR's. Often wondered why they did not do so with Randle. Perhaps Thibs feels JB is better on iso? Maybe right.

Ayton is another guy we need to go after and we have the assets to possibly get him. The suns supposedly are shopping some of their guys. I don’t want Durant he’s fool’s gold and will never come here.

It seems like every time Mitchell and Ayton go head to hear Robinson eats his lunch. I think there's a lot to be said for continuity and chemistry. I'm skeptical of trading our young guys for vets. I think there's a good opportunity to roll with the same squad for the next 3 seasons and have these guys become intimately familiar with each other on both ends of the court. That gets you a pretty solid regular season record each year because from November to January everyone else is still figuring it out.

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The Trae Young effect. ****ing ****sucker.

Caseloads wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Pretty happy with how this team worked. It’s not perfect but they have the ability to develop the skills they need.

If I am making NBA2K style trades, for players that maybe aren’t the 4 picks and 3 swaps variety, I am going after

Mikal Bridges
OG Anunoby
JJJ (would need to demand a trade. As reigning DPOY, his stock value skyrocketed)
Myles Turner

If stars aligned, I could see a situation where the Knicks gathered a bit of star power around Brunson. They have the picks and the youth to pull off some big moves.

Bridges for shizz. I'd give up 3 picks and 3 swaps plus EF plus salary ballast.

Ah to sleep, to dream.

1) Decline Rose. Offer a vet Min contract or a coaching job.
2) Fournier, IQ and 3 First Rd Picks for Mikal Bridges
3) Mitch Robinson and the Milwaukee 2025 (top 15 protected) to Toronto for OG Anunoby.
4) Randle and 3 Draft Picks to Memphis for JJJ.
5) Barrett and Toppin to Indiana for Myles Turner
6) Resign Hart 4 years 64mm
7) Sign Jalen McDaniels with the MLE

Brunson/McBride
Bridges/Grimes
Anunoby/Hart
JJJ/McDaniels
Turner/Hart

Count the rings on both hands.

EwingsGlass wrote:

Caseloads wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Pretty happy with how this team worked. It’s not perfect but they have the ability to develop the skills they need.

If I am making NBA2K style trades, for players that maybe aren’t the 4 picks and 3 swaps variety, I am going after

Mikal Bridges
OG Anunoby
JJJ (would need to demand a trade. As reigning DPOY, his stock value skyrocketed)
Myles Turner

If stars aligned, I could see a situation where the Knicks gathered a bit of star power around Brunson. They have the picks and the youth to pull off some big moves.

Bridges for shizz. I'd give up 3 picks and 3 swaps plus EF plus salary ballast.

Ah to sleep, to dream.

1) Decline Rose. Offer a vet Min contract or a coaching job.
2) Fournier, IQ and 3 First Rd Picks for Mikal Bridges
3) Mitch Robinson and the Milwaukee 2025 (top 15 protected) to Toronto for OG Anunoby.
4) Randle and 3 Draft Picks to Memphis for JJJ.
5) Barrett and Toppin to Indiana for Myles Turner
6) Resign Hart 4 years 64mm
7) Sign Jalen McDaniels with the MLE

Brunson/McBride
Bridges/Grimes
Anunoby/Hart
JJJ/McDaniels
Turner/Hart

Count the rings on both hands.

I think IQ would make more sense for Toronto in an OG package. Poetl was solid for them. FVV is likely on the way out and they're probably gonna want a young playmaker to replace him. Mikal will be tough to work a deal for because his salary is so good. Grimes would definitely have to go in that deal.

BigDaddyG wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Caseloads wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Pretty happy with how this team worked. It’s not perfect but they have the ability to develop the skills they need.

If I am making NBA2K style trades, for players that maybe aren’t the 4 picks and 3 swaps variety, I am going after

Mikal Bridges
OG Anunoby
JJJ (would need to demand a trade. As reigning DPOY, his stock value skyrocketed)
Myles Turner

If stars aligned, I could see a situation where the Knicks gathered a bit of star power around Brunson. They have the picks and the youth to pull off some big moves.

Bridges for shizz. I'd give up 3 picks and 3 swaps plus EF plus salary ballast.

Ah to sleep, to dream.

1) Decline Rose. Offer a vet Min contract or a coaching job.
2) Fournier, IQ and 3 First Rd Picks for Mikal Bridges
3) Mitch Robinson and the Milwaukee 2025 (top 15 protected) to Toronto for OG Anunoby.
4) Randle and 3 Draft Picks to Memphis for JJJ.
5) Barrett and Toppin to Indiana for Myles Turner
6) Resign Hart 4 years 64mm
7) Sign Jalen McDaniels with the MLE

Brunson/McBride
Bridges/Grimes
Anunoby/Hart
JJJ/McDaniels
Turner/Hart

Count the rings on both hands.

I think IQ would make more sense for Toronto in an OG package. Poetl was solid for them. FVV is likely on the way out and they're probably gonna want a young playmaker to replace him. Mikal will be tough to work a deal for because his salary is so good. Grimes would definitely have to go in that deal.

I’d still make those deals.

Gimme Brunson/Bridges/Anunoby/JJJ/Turner and I would fill in the rest of the roster with undrafteds and vet min contracts.

I figured out the problem. And it was right there in our face the entire time. The problem is we only see it now because of the Brunson affect. But now it’s clear what we are missing.

We are missing a #2

Randle and RJ are 3rd option.

Trade one of our 3rd options plus picks, cash, players, etc. for a true #2 option.

In the playoffs when the season was in jeopardy, Brunson stepped up and the other 2 stepped down. Thibs fell back with rotation or was it the injuries like IQ that put thibs in a bind.