Knicks · Around the NBA, 2023 Free Agency: Let the madness begin! (page 33)
EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:
Garuba being cut is a function of OKC's depth and not Garuba's roster-worthiness. I think the Knicks should use a waiver claim here.I think the Knicks really need a big man who can hit shots from beyond 6 feet, preferably with a bit of three-ball ability too. We can ill afford to use a roster/rotation spot on yet another strictly at-the-basket specialist like Mitch, IHart or Jericho.
For me, you pick up a prospect for what he can be down the line, not for how he could hypothetically contribute this next season. We are talking about the 14-15th guy on bench.
I think who the player is right now has to matter too. Usman has tools. Does he have any game? Is he all sizzle and no steak? He also only scored about 3 points a game in Spain. He's never been a contributing rotation player on a high-level basketball team. I just feel like at some point projection crosses the line into fantasy. Occasionally a long-range project will turn into Giannis but more often than not they turn into Frank N. They have tools they just aren't close enough to being an NBA player on the offensive end and you are asking them to learn too much while traveling the country on a pro team. Tyty hasn't done anything on the NBA level either and theoretically might have a lower ceiling than Usman but when I watch that kid play I see a guy that has some immediately translatable skills. That said I am painting with very broad strokes. I haven't seen a lot of either and I've seen very little of Usman.
lol Just coulda said that and ended it
Knixkik wrote:Garuba is a CAA guy and a young PF/C. Fills a depth role as a developmental piece at the very least. How can the Knicks not grab him soon?
Has he cleared waivers yet?
martin wrote:EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:
Garuba being cut is a function of OKC's depth and not Garuba's roster-worthiness. I think the Knicks should use a waiver claim here.I think the Knicks really need a big man who can hit shots from beyond 6 feet, preferably with a bit of three-ball ability too. We can ill afford to use a roster/rotation spot on yet another strictly at-the-basket specialist like Mitch, IHart or Jericho.
For me, you pick up a prospect for what he can be down the line, not for how he could hypothetically contribute this next season. We are talking about the 14-15th guy on bench.
I think who the player is right now has to matter too. Usman has tools. Does he have any game? Is he all sizzle and no steak? He also only scored about 3 points a game in Spain. He's never been a contributing rotation player on a high-level basketball team. I just feel like at some point projection crosses the line into fantasy. Occasionally a long-range project will turn into Giannis but more often than not they turn into Frank N. They have tools they just aren't close enough to being an NBA player on the offensive end and you are asking them to learn too much while traveling the country on a pro team. Tyty hasn't done anything on the NBA level either and theoretically might have a lower ceiling than Usman but when I watch that kid play I see a guy that has some immediately translatable skills. That said I am painting with very broad strokes. I haven't seen a lot of either and I've seen very little of Usman.
lol Just coulda said that and ended it
He has so little experience no one really has. He has never been a good player on a high-level team.
EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:
Garuba being cut is a function of OKC's depth and not Garuba's roster-worthiness. I think the Knicks should use a waiver claim here.I think the Knicks really need a big man who can hit shots from beyond 6 feet, preferably with a bit of three-ball ability too. We can ill afford to use a roster/rotation spot on yet another strictly at-the-basket specialist like Mitch, IHart or Jericho.
For me, you pick up a prospect for what he can be down the line, not for how he could hypothetically contribute this next season. We are talking about the 14-15th guy on bench.
I think who the player is right now has to matter too. Usman has tools. Does he have any game? Is he all sizzle and no steak? He also only scored about 3 points a game in Spain. He's never been a contributing rotation player on a high-level basketball team. I just feel like at some point projection crosses the line into fantasy. Occasionally a long-range project will turn into Giannis but more often than not they turn into Frank N. They have tools they just aren't close enough to being an NBA player on the offensive end and you are asking them to learn too much while traveling the country on a pro team. Tyty hasn't done anything on the NBA level either and theoretically might have a lower ceiling than Usman but when I watch that kid play I see a guy that has some immediately translatable skills. That said I am painting with very broad strokes. I haven't seen a lot of either and I've seen very little of Usman.
lol Just coulda said that and ended it
Wrong post
EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:
Garuba being cut is a function of OKC's depth and not Garuba's roster-worthiness. I think the Knicks should use a waiver claim here.I think the Knicks really need a big man who can hit shots from beyond 6 feet, preferably with a bit of three-ball ability too. We can ill afford to use a roster/rotation spot on yet another strictly at-the-basket specialist like Mitch, IHart or Jericho.
For me, you pick up a prospect for what he can be down the line, not for how he could hypothetically contribute this next season. We are talking about the 14-15th guy on bench.
I think who the player is right now has to matter too. Usman has tools. Does he have any game? Is he all sizzle and no steak? He also only scored about 3 points a game in Spain. He's never been a contributing rotation player on a high-level basketball team. I just feel like at some point projection crosses the line into fantasy. Occasionally a long-range project will turn into Giannis but more often than not they turn into Frank N. They have tools they just aren't close enough to being an NBA player on the offensive end and you are asking them to learn too much while traveling the country on a pro team. Tyty hasn't done anything on the NBA level either and theoretically might have a lower ceiling than Usman but when I watch that kid play I see a guy that has some immediately translatable skills. That said I am painting with very broad strokes. I haven't seen a lot of either and I've seen very little of Usman.
lol Just coulda said that and ended it
He has so little experience no one really has. He has never been a good player on a high-level team.
Like, no shit. OKC has been tanking just so that they could get players like him.
That's why he is a prospect and available for near free and then developed.
What you are talking about is something entirely different, for which you will need to give up something of value to get.
EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:
Garuba being cut is a function of OKC's depth and not Garuba's roster-worthiness. I think the Knicks should use a waiver claim here.I think the Knicks really need a big man who can hit shots from beyond 6 feet, preferably with a bit of three-ball ability too. We can ill afford to use a roster/rotation spot on yet another strictly at-the-basket specialist like Mitch, IHart or Jericho.
For me, you pick up a prospect for what he can be down the line, not for how he could hypothetically contribute this next season. We are talking about the 14-15th guy on bench.
I think who the player is right now has to matter too. Usman has tools. Does he have any game? Is he all sizzle and no steak? He also only scored about 3 points a game in Spain. He's never been a contributing rotation player on a high-level basketball team. I just feel like at some point projection crosses the line into fantasy. Occasionally a long-range project will turn into Giannis but more often than not they turn into Frank N. They have tools they just aren't close enough to being an NBA player on the offensive end and you are asking them to learn too much while traveling the country on a pro team. Tyty hasn't done anything on the NBA level either and theoretically might have a lower ceiling than Usman but when I watch that kid play I see a guy that has some immediately translatable skills. That said I am painting with very broad strokes. I haven't seen a lot of either and I've seen very little of Usman.
lol Just coulda said that and ended it
He has so little experience no one really has. He has never been a good player on a high-level team.
I don't think that is a reason not to give him a shot though? I believe the Knicks have 14 players on the active roster and that includes Jeffries? And I could be wrong but I think without a trade Knicks are looking for more depth behind Randle and that will not be a project. These two players may even get signed to a two way deal somewhere, Knicks have used all three spots on contracts for two ways
BigDaddyG wrote:I could see Garuba's agents wanting to push him toward a coach like Thibs. The plus side is that Thibs would appreciate his skillet. The downside is that playing time would be sporadic.
Sporadic playing time unless....
Don't want to envision the worst but PF is where we are thin in depth. Question is whether this guy would be an improvement over Robey et al. Or if the FO saw him long term as an improvement. Anyway, this is something that isn't silly to consider.
BigDaddyG wrote:I could see Garuba's agents wanting to push him toward a coach like Thibs. The plus side is that Thibs would appreciate his skillet. The downside is that playing time would be sporadic.
I really don't see why there isn't a waiver claim here and not just a signing post-waiver. The extra money is nominal on the waiver claim. He is pretty much a perfect understudy to Randle. He also has the size to make Randle actually work in practice. This seems like more than a no-brainer. I'd be more worried about a superior waiver claim than anything else.
martin wrote:EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:
Garuba being cut is a function of OKC's depth and not Garuba's roster-worthiness. I think the Knicks should use a waiver claim here.I think the Knicks really need a big man who can hit shots from beyond 6 feet, preferably with a bit of three-ball ability too. We can ill afford to use a roster/rotation spot on yet another strictly at-the-basket specialist like Mitch, IHart or Jericho.
For me, you pick up a prospect for what he can be down the line, not for how he could hypothetically contribute this next season. We are talking about the 14-15th guy on bench.
I think who the player is right now has to matter too. Usman has tools. Does he have any game? Is he all sizzle and no steak? He also only scored about 3 points a game in Spain. He's never been a contributing rotation player on a high-level basketball team. I just feel like at some point projection crosses the line into fantasy. Occasionally a long-range project will turn into Giannis but more often than not they turn into Frank N. They have tools they just aren't close enough to being an NBA player on the offensive end and you are asking them to learn too much while traveling the country on a pro team. Tyty hasn't done anything on the NBA level either and theoretically might have a lower ceiling than Usman but when I watch that kid play I see a guy that has some immediately translatable skills. That said I am painting with very broad strokes. I haven't seen a lot of either and I've seen very little of Usman.
lol Just coulda said that and ended it
He has so little experience no one really has. He has never been a good player on a high-level team.
Like, no shit. OKC has been tanking just so that they could get players like him.
That's why he is a prospect and available for near free and then developed.
What you are talking about is something entirely different, for which you will need to give up something of value to get.
Drafting/signing guys who have never been good at Basketball on the NBA level or a lower level that is highly competitive doesn’t often work out for anyone but the player who collects millions sitting on the bench until he’s given up on
EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:
Garuba being cut is a function of OKC's depth and not Garuba's roster-worthiness. I think the Knicks should use a waiver claim here.I think the Knicks really need a big man who can hit shots from beyond 6 feet, preferably with a bit of three-ball ability too. We can ill afford to use a roster/rotation spot on yet another strictly at-the-basket specialist like Mitch, IHart or Jericho.
For me, you pick up a prospect for what he can be down the line, not for how he could hypothetically contribute this next season. We are talking about the 14-15th guy on bench.
I think who the player is right now has to matter too. Usman has tools. Does he have any game? Is he all sizzle and no steak? He also only scored about 3 points a game in Spain. He's never been a contributing rotation player on a high-level basketball team. I just feel like at some point projection crosses the line into fantasy. Occasionally a long-range project will turn into Giannis but more often than not they turn into Frank N. They have tools they just aren't close enough to being an NBA player on the offensive end and you are asking them to learn too much while traveling the country on a pro team. Tyty hasn't done anything on the NBA level either and theoretically might have a lower ceiling than Usman but when I watch that kid play I see a guy that has some immediately translatable skills. That said I am painting with very broad strokes. I haven't seen a lot of either and I've seen very little of Usman.
lol Just coulda said that and ended it
He has so little experience no one really has. He has never been a good player on a high-level team.
Like, no shit. OKC has been tanking just so that they could get players like him.
That's why he is a prospect and available for near free and then developed.
What you are talking about is something entirely different, for which you will need to give up something of value to get.
[/quoteDrafting/signing guys who have never been good at Basketball on the NBA level or a lower level that is highly competitive doesn’t often work out for anyone but the player who collects millions sitting on the bench until he’s given up on
You wouldn’t take him for free?
BigDaddyG wrote:I could see Garuba's agents wanting to push him toward a coach like Thibs. The plus side is that Thibs would appreciate his skillet. The downside is that playing time would be sporadic.
His agent is Sam Rose.
Knixkik wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:I could see Garuba's agents wanting to push him toward a coach like Thibs. The plus side is that Thibs would appreciate his skillet. The downside is that playing time would be sporadic.His agent is Sam Rose.
😱
Knixkik wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:I could see Garuba's agents wanting to push him toward a coach like Thibs. The plus side is that Thibs would appreciate his skillet. The downside is that playing time would be sporadic.His agent is Sam Rose.
No tampering! Just a father-son, player-agent chit chat about getting clarity on the waiver rules and what happens after a hypothetical player clears waivers.
EwingsGlass wrote:EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:
Garuba being cut is a function of OKC's depth and not Garuba's roster-worthiness. I think the Knicks should use a waiver claim here.I think the Knicks really need a big man who can hit shots from beyond 6 feet, preferably with a bit of three-ball ability too. We can ill afford to use a roster/rotation spot on yet another strictly at-the-basket specialist like Mitch, IHart or Jericho.
For me, you pick up a prospect for what he can be down the line, not for how he could hypothetically contribute this next season. We are talking about the 14-15th guy on bench.
I think who the player is right now has to matter too. Usman has tools. Does he have any game? Is he all sizzle and no steak? He also only scored about 3 points a game in Spain. He's never been a contributing rotation player on a high-level basketball team. I just feel like at some point projection crosses the line into fantasy. Occasionally a long-range project will turn into Giannis but more often than not they turn into Frank N. They have tools they just aren't close enough to being an NBA player on the offensive end and you are asking them to learn too much while traveling the country on a pro team. Tyty hasn't done anything on the NBA level either and theoretically might have a lower ceiling than Usman but when I watch that kid play I see a guy that has some immediately translatable skills. That said I am painting with very broad strokes. I haven't seen a lot of either and I've seen very little of Usman.
lol Just coulda said that and ended it
He has so little experience no one really has. He has never been a good player on a high-level team.
Like, no shit. OKC has been tanking just so that they could get players like him.
That's why he is a prospect and available for near free and then developed.
What you are talking about is something entirely different, for which you will need to give up something of value to get.
[/quoteDrafting/signing guys who have never been good at Basketball on the NBA level or a lower level that is highly competitive doesn’t often work out for anyone but the player who collects millions sitting on the bench until he’s given up on
You wouldn’t take him for free?
Pass
Always said that '25 MIL pick could be golden.
Jrue, Middletown and Brook are all old, and becoming more injury prone.
MIL does not have the assets to replace those guys.
getting that pick along with 2 other 1sts and clearing the cap for Brunson was a great trade. Rose doesn't get enough credit for it.
Even if the WSH pick turns into 2 early 2nd's, it's still a great trade.
nycericanguy wrote:sounds like Giannis can see the handwriting on the wall.Always said that '25 MIL pick could be golden.
Jrue, Middletown and Brook are all old, and becoming more injury prone.
MIL does not have the assets to replace those guys.
getting that pick along with 2 other 1sts and clearing the cap for Brunson was a great trade. Rose doesn't get enough credit for it.
Even if the WSH pick turns into 2 early 2nd's, it's still a great trade.
I think the Knicks picks (besides the Washington one) will become more valuable over time. That Detroit pick should be solid. Detroit will eventually make a jump but not enough where it’s a low pick. And that Milwaukee pick becomes intriguing as it’s only top 4 protected.
Knixkik wrote:nycericanguy wrote:sounds like Giannis can see the handwriting on the wall.Always said that '25 MIL pick could be golden.
Jrue, Middletown and Brook are all old, and becoming more injury prone.
MIL does not have the assets to replace those guys.
getting that pick along with 2 other 1sts and clearing the cap for Brunson was a great trade. Rose doesn't get enough credit for it.
Even if the WSH pick turns into 2 early 2nd's, it's still a great trade.
I think the Knicks picks (besides the Washington one) will become more valuable over time. That Detroit pick should be solid. Detroit will eventually make a jump but not enough where it’s a low pick. And that Milwaukee pick becomes intriguing as it’s only top 4 protected.
Was just listening to someone talk about our picks.
We have all our own picks.
Next year we have Dallas unless it's top 10. I doubt it will be. We should get their pick next year
Det pick is also due next year but is top 18 protected(probably won't convey), top then top 13 (maybe), top 11, and top 9. I think this pick won't convey the next two years but probably will eventually.
Wash: top 12, 10, 8. They are kind of a mess but have a new FO. I think this one is a wild card.
Bucks in 2025 (top 4 protected)should convey
I think that is accurate
EwingPSD wrote:Knixkik wrote:nycericanguy wrote:sounds like Giannis can see the handwriting on the wall.Always said that '25 MIL pick could be golden.
Jrue, Middletown and Brook are all old, and becoming more injury prone.
MIL does not have the assets to replace those guys.
getting that pick along with 2 other 1sts and clearing the cap for Brunson was a great trade. Rose doesn't get enough credit for it.
Even if the WSH pick turns into 2 early 2nd's, it's still a great trade.
I think the Knicks picks (besides the Washington one) will become more valuable over time. That Detroit pick should be solid. Detroit will eventually make a jump but not enough where it’s a low pick. And that Milwaukee pick becomes intriguing as it’s only top 4 protected.
Was just listening to someone talk about our picks.
We have all our own picks.
Next year we have Dallas unless it's top 10. I doubt it will be. We should get their pick next year
Det pick is also due next year but is top 18 protected(probably won't convey), top then top 13 (maybe), top 11, and top 9. I think this pick won't convey the next two years but probably will eventually.
Wash: top 12, 10, 8. They are kind of a mess but have a new FO. I think this one is a wild card.
Bucks in 2025 (top 4 protected)should convey
I think that is accurate
when its all said and done we could end up with a lotto pick from MIL, a 15-ish pick from DET, two early seconds in the low 30's from WSH, and of course we signed Brunson with the cleared cap.
All for the #11 pick in what was a very weak draft. That was a franchise altering trade.
And if other teams don't want those "protected" picks, even better, send our own unprotected and keep the protected ones for ourselves.
nycericanguy wrote:EwingPSD wrote:Knixkik wrote:nycericanguy wrote:sounds like Giannis can see the handwriting on the wall.Always said that '25 MIL pick could be golden.
Jrue, Middletown and Brook are all old, and becoming more injury prone.
MIL does not have the assets to replace those guys.
getting that pick along with 2 other 1sts and clearing the cap for Brunson was a great trade. Rose doesn't get enough credit for it.
Even if the WSH pick turns into 2 early 2nd's, it's still a great trade.
I think the Knicks picks (besides the Washington one) will become more valuable over time. That Detroit pick should be solid. Detroit will eventually make a jump but not enough where it’s a low pick. And that Milwaukee pick becomes intriguing as it’s only top 4 protected.
Was just listening to someone talk about our picks.
We have all our own picks.
Next year we have Dallas unless it's top 10. I doubt it will be. We should get their pick next year
Det pick is also due next year but is top 18 protected(probably won't convey), top then top 13 (maybe), top 11, and top 9. I think this pick won't convey the next two years but probably will eventually.
Wash: top 12, 10, 8. They are kind of a mess but have a new FO. I think this one is a wild card.
Bucks in 2025 (top 4 protected)should convey
I think that is accurate
when its all said and done we could end up with a lotto pick from MIL, a 15-ish pick from DET, two early seconds in the low 30's from WSH, and of course we signed Brunson with the cleared cap.
All for the #11 pick in what was a very weak draft. That was a franchise altering trade.
And if other teams don't want those "protected" picks, even better, send our own unprotected and keep the protected ones for ourselves.
They had the cap to sign Brunson without trading the pick. They signed Isiah Hartenstien with the money cleared and it's shaping up to be a very good draft. I mean Johnny Davis sucks ass but otherwise....