LivingLegend wrote:Nalod wrote:MS wrote:OG for IQ and a conditional maybe. Although IQ is always healthy and if you play him the same minutes is OG you’re getting similar production with more games played.Ayton for Mitch, Fournier and McBride could be interesting. I like Mitch a lot put more offense is important. If you throw one of the worst first there you now have more offense similar rebounding but less rim protection.
It gives you more options offensively if you want to play hart at the four and have IQ, Donte, RJ out there.
Plausible and compelling
I have suggested going after Ayton who is younger and better vs Mitch imo.
Quick trade is a bit trickier because he’s young, plays premium position and defends plus don’t like the Randle/OG/RJ trio together - to clunky/ sloppy. Have always assumed RJ or Randle would have to go if OG was coming in - maybe Randle to 3rd team or RJ directly to Raps.
That one is tricky for me: "Better". Better defensively? Better motor? Dude got benched during finals for lack of effort. The Finals.
Better offensively? Sure.
Better and more impactful player relative to what you are also paying him and the cost it would take to trade for him? Not for me.
martin wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Nalod wrote:MS wrote:OG for IQ and a conditional maybe. Although IQ is always healthy and if you play him the same minutes is OG you’re getting similar production with more games played.Ayton for Mitch, Fournier and McBride could be interesting. I like Mitch a lot put more offense is important. If you throw one of the worst first there you now have more offense similar rebounding but less rim protection.
It gives you more options offensively if you want to play hart at the four and have IQ, Donte, RJ out there.
Plausible and compelling
I have suggested going after Ayton who is younger and better vs Mitch imo.
Quick trade is a bit trickier because he’s young, plays premium position and defends plus don’t like the Randle/OG/RJ trio together - to clunky/ sloppy. Have always assumed RJ or Randle would have to go if OG was coming in - maybe Randle to 3rd team or RJ directly to Raps.
That one is tricky for me: "Better". Better defensively? Better motor? Dude got benched during finals for lack of effort. The Finals.
Better offensively? Sure.
Better and more impactful player relative to what you are also paying him and the cost it would take to trade for him? Not for me.
They made it to the finals with him.
Compelling.
He and Monty were not on the same page.
I agree Ayton is not a finished piece of work. If one thinks his ceiling is hit, then less compelling.
My take is they moved from Monty to Aytons benefit. THat said, I doubt they moving him.
We don't know all the details of Monty being let go. He has a good rep but his handling of Ayton not a good look.
Durant doing the durant thing? Did Booker have an issue? Do they both want ayton there?
Nalod wrote:martin wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Nalod wrote:MS wrote:OG for IQ and a conditional maybe. Although IQ is always healthy and if you play him the same minutes is OG you’re getting similar production with more games played.Ayton for Mitch, Fournier and McBride could be interesting. I like Mitch a lot put more offense is important. If you throw one of the worst first there you now have more offense similar rebounding but less rim protection.
It gives you more options offensively if you want to play hart at the four and have IQ, Donte, RJ out there.
Plausible and compelling
I have suggested going after Ayton who is younger and better vs Mitch imo.
Quick trade is a bit trickier because he’s young, plays premium position and defends plus don’t like the Randle/OG/RJ trio together - to clunky/ sloppy. Have always assumed RJ or Randle would have to go if OG was coming in - maybe Randle to 3rd team or RJ directly to Raps.
That one is tricky for me: "Better". Better defensively? Better motor? Dude got benched during finals for lack of effort. The Finals.
Better offensively? Sure.
Better and more impactful player relative to what you are also paying him and the cost it would take to trade for him? Not for me.
They made it to the finals with him.
Compelling.
He and Monty were not on the same page.
I agree Ayton is not a finished piece of work. If one thinks his ceiling is hit, then less compelling.
My take is they moved from Monty to Aytons benefit. THat said, I doubt they moving him.
We don't know all the details of Monty being let go. He has a good rep but his handling of Ayton not a good look.
Durant doing the durant thing? Did Booker have an issue? Do they both want ayton there?
They also sat him in the FINALS. Cause of effort.
The Finals.
I can't and never will get over that. In my book, that type of guy is less than worth it unless it's at a deep discount.
martin wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Nalod wrote:MS wrote:OG for IQ and a conditional maybe. Although IQ is always healthy and if you play him the same minutes is OG you’re getting similar production with more games played.Ayton for Mitch, Fournier and McBride could be interesting. I like Mitch a lot put more offense is important. If you throw one of the worst first there you now have more offense similar rebounding but less rim protection.
It gives you more options offensively if you want to play hart at the four and have IQ, Donte, RJ out there.
Plausible and compelling
I have suggested going after Ayton who is younger and better vs Mitch imo.
Quick trade is a bit trickier because he’s young, plays premium position and defends plus don’t like the Randle/OG/RJ trio together - to clunky/ sloppy. Have always assumed RJ or Randle would have to go if OG was coming in - maybe Randle to 3rd team or RJ directly to Raps.
That one is tricky for me: "Better". Better defensively? Better motor? Dude got benched during finals for lack of effort. The Finals.
Better offensively? Sure.
Better and more impactful player relative to what you are also paying him and the cost it would take to trade for him? Not for me.
They made it to the finals with him.
Compelling.
He and Monty were not on the same page.
I agree Ayton is not a finished piece of work. If one thinks his ceiling is hit, then less compelling.
My take is they moved from Monty to Aytons benefit. THat said, I doubt they moving him.
We don't know all the details of Monty being let go. He has a good rep but his handling of Ayton not a good look.
Durant doing the durant thing? Did Booker have an issue? Do they both want ayton there?
They also sat him in the FINALS. Cause of effort.
The Finals.
I can't and never will get over that. In my book, that type of guy is less than worth it unless it's at a deep discount.
OK, but he was part of the team that GOT TO THE FINALS.
If Mitch played and then got sat for the finals because he go in foul trouble or could not hit a foul shot in a close series, you'd still give him props for getting them there.
Not like they won without him either.
What was Monty's reasoning? Was he correct or not? I don't know.
Its like indicting Randle's whole existance for the Atlanta series. It was one series.
I get where your coming from, but I have questions. Perhaps if anyone did some heavy reading on the matter they can chime in.
Monty got fired. PHX resigned Ayton and has not traded him. Not sure what that say's. Is it conclusive? not really.
I watched Ayton in person vs Mitch 2x in Phx and there was really little comparison in terms of overall impact. Yes Ayton is clearly more offensively polished and versatile. Outside of that he pretty much was dominated by Mitch both times I watched - most notably on hustle and rebounding. Ayton surrounded by a Draymond Green and other tough defenders could work - but next to Randle it would be really be a step back in terms of paint defense and rim protection. I liked him previously but the more I watch him he's just too soft. Thibs would likely play him less then Monty IMO.
martin wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Nalod wrote:MS wrote:OG for IQ and a conditional maybe. Although IQ is always healthy and if you play him the same minutes is OG you’re getting similar production with more games played.Ayton for Mitch, Fournier and McBride could be interesting. I like Mitch a lot put more offense is important. If you throw one of the worst first there you now have more offense similar rebounding but less rim protection.
It gives you more options offensively if you want to play hart at the four and have IQ, Donte, RJ out there.
Plausible and compelling
I have suggested going after Ayton who is younger and better vs Mitch imo.
Quick trade is a bit trickier because he’s young, plays premium position and defends plus don’t like the Randle/OG/RJ trio together - to clunky/ sloppy. Have always assumed RJ or Randle would have to go if OG was coming in - maybe Randle to 3rd team or RJ directly to Raps.
That one is tricky for me: "Better". Better defensively? Better motor? Dude got benched during finals for lack of effort. The Finals.
Better offensively? Sure.
Better and more impactful player relative to what you are also paying him and the cost it would take to trade for him? Not for me.
They made it to the finals with him.
Compelling.
He and Monty were not on the same page.
I agree Ayton is not a finished piece of work. If one thinks his ceiling is hit, then less compelling.
My take is they moved from Monty to Aytons benefit. THat said, I doubt they moving him.
We don't know all the details of Monty being let go. He has a good rep but his handling of Ayton not a good look.
Durant doing the durant thing? Did Booker have an issue? Do they both want ayton there?
They also sat him in the FINALS. Cause of effort.
The Finals.
I can't and never will get over that. In my book, that type of guy is less than worth it unless it's at a deep discount.
I don't know if his sitting in the final b/c of effort is accurate. He also averaged 18 and 13 on nearly 70% from the floor in a WCF and I think he was 21. Thibs would give him the ball less than Monty so it's not relevant to us but I think there is reason to be more positive when it comes to Ayton.
EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Nalod wrote:MS wrote:OG for IQ and a conditional maybe. Although IQ is always healthy and if you play him the same minutes is OG you’re getting similar production with more games played.Ayton for Mitch, Fournier and McBride could be interesting. I like Mitch a lot put more offense is important. If you throw one of the worst first there you now have more offense similar rebounding but less rim protection.
It gives you more options offensively if you want to play hart at the four and have IQ, Donte, RJ out there.
Plausible and compelling
I have suggested going after Ayton who is younger and better vs Mitch imo.
Quick trade is a bit trickier because he’s young, plays premium position and defends plus don’t like the Randle/OG/RJ trio together - to clunky/ sloppy. Have always assumed RJ or Randle would have to go if OG was coming in - maybe Randle to 3rd team or RJ directly to Raps.
That one is tricky for me: "Better". Better defensively? Better motor? Dude got benched during finals for lack of effort. The Finals.
Better offensively? Sure.
Better and more impactful player relative to what you are also paying him and the cost it would take to trade for him? Not for me.
They made it to the finals with him.
Compelling.
He and Monty were not on the same page.
I agree Ayton is not a finished piece of work. If one thinks his ceiling is hit, then less compelling.
My take is they moved from Monty to Aytons benefit. THat said, I doubt they moving him.
We don't know all the details of Monty being let go. He has a good rep but his handling of Ayton not a good look.
Durant doing the durant thing? Did Booker have an issue? Do they both want ayton there?
They also sat him in the FINALS. Cause of effort.
The Finals.
I can't and never will get over that. In my book, that type of guy is less than worth it unless it's at a deep discount.
I don't know if his sitting in the final b/c of effort is accurate. He also averaged 18 and 13 on nearly 70% from the floor in a WCF and I think he was 21. Thibs would give him the ball less than Monty so it's not relevant to us but I think there is reason to be more positive when it comes to Ayton.
You know how I know? Cause Monty Williams literally said it.
Coach hated him.
martin wrote:EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Nalod wrote:MS wrote:OG for IQ and a conditional maybe. Although IQ is always healthy and if you play him the same minutes is OG you’re getting similar production with more games played.Ayton for Mitch, Fournier and McBride could be interesting. I like Mitch a lot put more offense is important. If you throw one of the worst first there you now have more offense similar rebounding but less rim protection.
It gives you more options offensively if you want to play hart at the four and have IQ, Donte, RJ out there.
Plausible and compelling
I have suggested going after Ayton who is younger and better vs Mitch imo.
Quick trade is a bit trickier because he’s young, plays premium position and defends plus don’t like the Randle/OG/RJ trio together - to clunky/ sloppy. Have always assumed RJ or Randle would have to go if OG was coming in - maybe Randle to 3rd team or RJ directly to Raps.
That one is tricky for me: "Better". Better defensively? Better motor? Dude got benched during finals for lack of effort. The Finals.
Better offensively? Sure.
Better and more impactful player relative to what you are also paying him and the cost it would take to trade for him? Not for me.
They made it to the finals with him.
Compelling.
He and Monty were not on the same page.
I agree Ayton is not a finished piece of work. If one thinks his ceiling is hit, then less compelling.
My take is they moved from Monty to Aytons benefit. THat said, I doubt they moving him.
We don't know all the details of Monty being let go. He has a good rep but his handling of Ayton not a good look.
Durant doing the durant thing? Did Booker have an issue? Do they both want ayton there?
They also sat him in the FINALS. Cause of effort.
The Finals.
I can't and never will get over that. In my book, that type of guy is less than worth it unless it's at a deep discount.
I don't know if his sitting in the final b/c of effort is accurate. He also averaged 18 and 13 on nearly 70% from the floor in a WCF and I think he was 21. Thibs would give him the ball less than Monty so it's not relevant to us but I think there is reason to be more positive when it comes to Ayton.
You know how I know? Cause Monty Williams literally said it.
Coach hated him.
I don't remember that and looking back at the finals Ayton played huge mins in all but one game which was a blowout. He averaged 37 mins a game in the finals. Are you thinking about him getting benched in the playoffs against the Mavs?
At this point I’m cool seeing what this team looks like this year with its full roster. Hart addition and Quickley coming into his own in the second half of the season. I would like to see him locked up. I want to see what this team can do over the course of the year and hope that we are only one piece away if it’s the right piece.
martin wrote:EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Nalod wrote:MS wrote:OG for IQ and a conditional maybe. Although IQ is always healthy and if you play him the same minutes is OG you’re getting similar production with more games played.Ayton for Mitch, Fournier and McBride could be interesting. I like Mitch a lot put more offense is important. If you throw one of the worst first there you now have more offense similar rebounding but less rim protection.
It gives you more options offensively if you want to play hart at the four and have IQ, Donte, RJ out there.
Plausible and compelling
I have suggested going after Ayton who is younger and better vs Mitch imo.
Quick trade is a bit trickier because he’s young, plays premium position and defends plus don’t like the Randle/OG/RJ trio together - to clunky/ sloppy. Have always assumed RJ or Randle would have to go if OG was coming in - maybe Randle to 3rd team or RJ directly to Raps.
That one is tricky for me: "Better". Better defensively? Better motor? Dude got benched during finals for lack of effort. The Finals.
Better offensively? Sure.
Better and more impactful player relative to what you are also paying him and the cost it would take to trade for him? Not for me.
They made it to the finals with him.
Compelling.
He and Monty were not on the same page.
I agree Ayton is not a finished piece of work. If one thinks his ceiling is hit, then less compelling.
My take is they moved from Monty to Aytons benefit. THat said, I doubt they moving him.
We don't know all the details of Monty being let go. He has a good rep but his handling of Ayton not a good look.
Durant doing the durant thing? Did Booker have an issue? Do they both want ayton there?
They also sat him in the FINALS. Cause of effort.
The Finals.
I can't and never will get over that. In my book, that type of guy is less than worth it unless it's at a deep discount.
I don't know if his sitting in the final b/c of effort is accurate. He also averaged 18 and 13 on nearly 70% from the floor in a WCF and I think he was 21. Thibs would give him the ball less than Monty so it's not relevant to us but I think there is reason to be more positive when it comes to Ayton.
You know how I know? Cause Monty Williams literally said it.
Coach hated him.
I don't remember that and looking back at the finals Ayton played huge mins in all but one game which was a blowout. He averaged 37 mins a game in the finals. Are you thinking about him getting benched in the playoffs against the Mavs?
Does it even matter?
The fact that it was “THE FINALS”
seemed to matter to you
EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Nalod wrote:MS wrote:OG for IQ and a conditional maybe. Although IQ is always healthy and if you play him the same minutes is OG you’re getting similar production with more games played.Ayton for Mitch, Fournier and McBride could be interesting. I like Mitch a lot put more offense is important. If you throw one of the worst first there you now have more offense similar rebounding but less rim protection.
It gives you more options offensively if you want to play hart at the four and have IQ, Donte, RJ out there.
Plausible and compelling
I have suggested going after Ayton who is younger and better vs Mitch imo.
Quick trade is a bit trickier because he’s young, plays premium position and defends plus don’t like the Randle/OG/RJ trio together - to clunky/ sloppy. Have always assumed RJ or Randle would have to go if OG was coming in - maybe Randle to 3rd team or RJ directly to Raps.
That one is tricky for me: "Better". Better defensively? Better motor? Dude got benched during finals for lack of effort. The Finals.
Better offensively? Sure.
Better and more impactful player relative to what you are also paying him and the cost it would take to trade for him? Not for me.
They made it to the finals with him.
Compelling.
He and Monty were not on the same page.
I agree Ayton is not a finished piece of work. If one thinks his ceiling is hit, then less compelling.
My take is they moved from Monty to Aytons benefit. THat said, I doubt they moving him.
We don't know all the details of Monty being let go. He has a good rep but his handling of Ayton not a good look.
Durant doing the durant thing? Did Booker have an issue? Do they both want ayton there?
They also sat him in the FINALS. Cause of effort.
The Finals.
I can't and never will get over that. In my book, that type of guy is less than worth it unless it's at a deep discount.
I don't know if his sitting in the final b/c of effort is accurate. He also averaged 18 and 13 on nearly 70% from the floor in a WCF and I think he was 21. Thibs would give him the ball less than Monty so it's not relevant to us but I think there is reason to be more positive when it comes to Ayton.
You know how I know? Cause Monty Williams literally said it.
Coach hated him.
I don't remember that and looking back at the finals Ayton played huge mins in all but one game which was a blowout. He averaged 37 mins a game in the finals. Are you thinking about him getting benched in the playoffs against the Mavs?
Does it even matter?
The fact that it was “THE FINALS”
seemed to matter to you
Yeah I'm pretty sure you are missing the bigger point of it all.
It was game 7 and I got the series incorrect. Western Conference Finals or the Finals, who cares. It's about trying to win and what it takes to get there.
It's still just as bad. Same player, same importance.
EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Nalod wrote:MS wrote:OG for IQ and a conditional maybe. Although IQ is always healthy and if you play him the same minutes is OG you’re getting similar production with more games played.Ayton for Mitch, Fournier and McBride could be interesting. I like Mitch a lot put more offense is important. If you throw one of the worst first there you now have more offense similar rebounding but less rim protection.
It gives you more options offensively if you want to play hart at the four and have IQ, Donte, RJ out there.
Plausible and compelling
I have suggested going after Ayton who is younger and better vs Mitch imo.
Quick trade is a bit trickier because he’s young, plays premium position and defends plus don’t like the Randle/OG/RJ trio together - to clunky/ sloppy. Have always assumed RJ or Randle would have to go if OG was coming in - maybe Randle to 3rd team or RJ directly to Raps.
That one is tricky for me: "Better". Better defensively? Better motor? Dude got benched during finals for lack of effort. The Finals.
Better offensively? Sure.
Better and more impactful player relative to what you are also paying him and the cost it would take to trade for him? Not for me.
They made it to the finals with him.
Compelling.
He and Monty were not on the same page.
I agree Ayton is not a finished piece of work. If one thinks his ceiling is hit, then less compelling.
My take is they moved from Monty to Aytons benefit. THat said, I doubt they moving him.
We don't know all the details of Monty being let go. He has a good rep but his handling of Ayton not a good look.
Durant doing the durant thing? Did Booker have an issue? Do they both want ayton there?
They also sat him in the FINALS. Cause of effort.
The Finals.
I can't and never will get over that. In my book, that type of guy is less than worth it unless it's at a deep discount.
I don't know if his sitting in the final b/c of effort is accurate. He also averaged 18 and 13 on nearly 70% from the floor in a WCF and I think he was 21. Thibs would give him the ball less than Monty so it's not relevant to us but I think there is reason to be more positive when it comes to Ayton.
You know how I know? Cause Monty Williams literally said it.
Coach hated him.
I don't remember that and looking back at the finals Ayton played huge mins in all but one game which was a blowout. He averaged 37 mins a game in the finals. Are you thinking about him getting benched in the playoffs against the Mavs?
Does it even matter?
The fact that it was “THE FINALS”
seemed to matter to you
Well that's like seducing the woman of your dreams over a year or more, then when she invites you over to her bed chamber you suffer premature ejaculation. Can you trust that guy. I get the criticism.
Alpha1971 wrote:EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Nalod wrote:MS wrote:OG for IQ and a conditional maybe. Although IQ is always healthy and if you play him the same minutes is OG you’re getting similar production with more games played.Ayton for Mitch, Fournier and McBride could be interesting. I like Mitch a lot put more offense is important. If you throw one of the worst first there you now have more offense similar rebounding but less rim protection.
It gives you more options offensively if you want to play hart at the four and have IQ, Donte, RJ out there.
Plausible and compelling
I have suggested going after Ayton who is younger and better vs Mitch imo.
Quick trade is a bit trickier because he’s young, plays premium position and defends plus don’t like the Randle/OG/RJ trio together - to clunky/ sloppy. Have always assumed RJ or Randle would have to go if OG was coming in - maybe Randle to 3rd team or RJ directly to Raps.
That one is tricky for me: "Better". Better defensively? Better motor? Dude got benched during finals for lack of effort. The Finals.
Better offensively? Sure.
Better and more impactful player relative to what you are also paying him and the cost it would take to trade for him? Not for me.
They made it to the finals with him.
Compelling.
He and Monty were not on the same page.
I agree Ayton is not a finished piece of work. If one thinks his ceiling is hit, then less compelling.
My take is they moved from Monty to Aytons benefit. THat said, I doubt they moving him.
We don't know all the details of Monty being let go. He has a good rep but his handling of Ayton not a good look.
Durant doing the durant thing? Did Booker have an issue? Do they both want ayton there?
They also sat him in the FINALS. Cause of effort.
The Finals.
I can't and never will get over that. In my book, that type of guy is less than worth it unless it's at a deep discount.
I don't know if his sitting in the final b/c of effort is accurate. He also averaged 18 and 13 on nearly 70% from the floor in a WCF and I think he was 21. Thibs would give him the ball less than Monty so it's not relevant to us but I think there is reason to be more positive when it comes to Ayton.
You know how I know? Cause Monty Williams literally said it.
Coach hated him.
I don't remember that and looking back at the finals Ayton played huge mins in all but one game which was a blowout. He averaged 37 mins a game in the finals. Are you thinking about him getting benched in the playoffs against the Mavs?
Does it even matter?
The fact that it was “THE FINALS”
seemed to matter to you
Well that's like seducing the woman of your dreams over a year or more, then when she invites you over to her bed chamber you suffer premature ejaculation. Can you trust that guy. I get the criticism.
Spoken like a man who has tried to seduce the woman of his dreams for over a year or more 
martin wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Nalod wrote:MS wrote:OG for IQ and a conditional maybe. Although IQ is always healthy and if you play him the same minutes is OG you’re getting similar production with more games played.Ayton for Mitch, Fournier and McBride could be interesting. I like Mitch a lot put more offense is important. If you throw one of the worst first there you now have more offense similar rebounding but less rim protection.
It gives you more options offensively if you want to play hart at the four and have IQ, Donte, RJ out there.
Plausible and compelling
I have suggested going after Ayton who is younger and better vs Mitch imo.
Quick trade is a bit trickier because he’s young, plays premium position and defends plus don’t like the Randle/OG/RJ trio together - to clunky/ sloppy. Have always assumed RJ or Randle would have to go if OG was coming in - maybe Randle to 3rd team or RJ directly to Raps.
That one is tricky for me: "Better". Better defensively? Better motor? Dude got benched during finals for lack of effort. The Finals.
Better offensively? Sure.
Better and more impactful player relative to what you are also paying him and the cost it would take to trade for him? Not for me.
They made it to the finals with him.
Compelling.
He and Monty were not on the same page.
I agree Ayton is not a finished piece of work. If one thinks his ceiling is hit, then less compelling.
My take is they moved from Monty to Aytons benefit. THat said, I doubt they moving him.
We don't know all the details of Monty being let go. He has a good rep but his handling of Ayton not a good look.
Durant doing the durant thing? Did Booker have an issue? Do they both want ayton there?
They also sat him in the FINALS. Cause of effort.
The Finals.
I can't and never will get over that. In my book, that type of guy is less than worth it unless it's at a deep discount.
I don't know if his sitting in the final b/c of effort is accurate. He also averaged 18 and 13 on nearly 70% from the floor in a WCF and I think he was 21. Thibs would give him the ball less than Monty so it's not relevant to us but I think there is reason to be more positive when it comes to Ayton.
You know how I know? Cause Monty Williams literally said it.
Coach hated him.
I don't remember that and looking back at the finals Ayton played huge mins in all but one game which was a blowout. He averaged 37 mins a game in the finals. Are you thinking about him getting benched in the playoffs against the Mavs?
Does it even matter?
The fact that it was “THE FINALS”
seemed to matter to you
Well that's like seducing the woman of your dreams over a year or more, then when she invites you over to her bed chamber you suffer premature ejaculation. Can you trust that guy. I get the criticism.
Spoken like a man who has tried to seduce the woman of his dreams for over a year or more
A lot of detail in that metaphor...
So for sure we take Monty Williams side of things?
Team gets all the way to the brink. Then does not go with the player that got you there.
What happened there? What did Ayton NOT do to have earned that seat?
Or what did WIlliams not to do to advance the team?
I know Monty has a great reputation. But no coach is 100%.
martin wrote:EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Nalod wrote:MS wrote:OG for IQ and a conditional maybe. Although IQ is always healthy and if you play him the same minutes is OG you’re getting similar production with more games played.Ayton for Mitch, Fournier and McBride could be interesting. I like Mitch a lot put more offense is important. If you throw one of the worst first there you now have more offense similar rebounding but less rim protection.
It gives you more options offensively if you want to play hart at the four and have IQ, Donte, RJ out there.
Plausible and compelling
I have suggested going after Ayton who is younger and better vs Mitch imo.
Quick trade is a bit trickier because he’s young, plays premium position and defends plus don’t like the Randle/OG/RJ trio together - to clunky/ sloppy. Have always assumed RJ or Randle would have to go if OG was coming in - maybe Randle to 3rd team or RJ directly to Raps.
That one is tricky for me: "Better". Better defensively? Better motor? Dude got benched during finals for lack of effort. The Finals.
Better offensively? Sure.
Better and more impactful player relative to what you are also paying him and the cost it would take to trade for him? Not for me.
They made it to the finals with him.
Compelling.
He and Monty were not on the same page.
I agree Ayton is not a finished piece of work. If one thinks his ceiling is hit, then less compelling.
My take is they moved from Monty to Aytons benefit. THat said, I doubt they moving him.
We don't know all the details of Monty being let go. He has a good rep but his handling of Ayton not a good look.
Durant doing the durant thing? Did Booker have an issue? Do they both want ayton there?
They also sat him in the FINALS. Cause of effort.
The Finals.
I can't and never will get over that. In my book, that type of guy is less than worth it unless it's at a deep discount.
I don't know if his sitting in the final b/c of effort is accurate. He also averaged 18 and 13 on nearly 70% from the floor in a WCF and I think he was 21. Thibs would give him the ball less than Monty so it's not relevant to us but I think there is reason to be more positive when it comes to Ayton.
You know how I know? Cause Monty Williams literally said it.
Coach hated him.
I don't remember that and looking back at the finals Ayton played huge mins in all but one game which was a blowout. He averaged 37 mins a game in the finals. Are you thinking about him getting benched in the playoffs against the Mavs?
Does it even matter?
The fact that it was “THE FINALS”
seemed to matter to you
Yeah I'm pretty sure you are missing the bigger point of it all.
It was game 7 and I got the series incorrect. Western Conference Finals or the Finals, who cares. It's about trying to win and what it takes to get there.
It's still just as bad. Same player, same importance.
Sorry, I think facts matter. It was in the 2nd round and I think Monte's only statement about it was "It's internal". He was yanked pretty early in the 2nd half and reportedly had some harsh words for Monte when he came out. He did not return. I do understand your point. I don't agree with it. I also think the antidote you used to reinforce that point isn't true.
Alpha1971 wrote:EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:EwingPSD wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Nalod wrote:MS wrote:OG for IQ and a conditional maybe. Although IQ is always healthy and if you play him the same minutes is OG you’re getting similar production with more games played.Ayton for Mitch, Fournier and McBride could be interesting. I like Mitch a lot put more offense is important. If you throw one of the worst first there you now have more offense similar rebounding but less rim protection.
It gives you more options offensively if you want to play hart at the four and have IQ, Donte, RJ out there.
Plausible and compelling
I have suggested going after Ayton who is younger and better vs Mitch imo.
Quick trade is a bit trickier because he’s young, plays premium position and defends plus don’t like the Randle/OG/RJ trio together - to clunky/ sloppy. Have always assumed RJ or Randle would have to go if OG was coming in - maybe Randle to 3rd team or RJ directly to Raps.
That one is tricky for me: "Better". Better defensively? Better motor? Dude got benched during finals for lack of effort. The Finals.
Better offensively? Sure.
Better and more impactful player relative to what you are also paying him and the cost it would take to trade for him? Not for me.
They made it to the finals with him.
Compelling.
He and Monty were not on the same page.
I agree Ayton is not a finished piece of work. If one thinks his ceiling is hit, then less compelling.
My take is they moved from Monty to Aytons benefit. THat said, I doubt they moving him.
We don't know all the details of Monty being let go. He has a good rep but his handling of Ayton not a good look.
Durant doing the durant thing? Did Booker have an issue? Do they both want ayton there?
They also sat him in the FINALS. Cause of effort.
The Finals.
I can't and never will get over that. In my book, that type of guy is less than worth it unless it's at a deep discount.
I don't know if his sitting in the final b/c of effort is accurate. He also averaged 18 and 13 on nearly 70% from the floor in a WCF and I think he was 21. Thibs would give him the ball less than Monty so it's not relevant to us but I think there is reason to be more positive when it comes to Ayton.
You know how I know? Cause Monty Williams literally said it.
Coach hated him.
I don't remember that and looking back at the finals Ayton played huge mins in all but one game which was a blowout. He averaged 37 mins a game in the finals. Are you thinking about him getting benched in the playoffs against the Mavs?
Does it even matter?
The fact that it was “THE FINALS”
seemed to matter to you
Well that's like seducing the woman of your dreams over a year or more, then when she invites you over to her bed chamber you suffer premature ejaculation. Can you trust that guy. I get the criticism.
If she is the woman of your dreams and you are spent after one shot do you belong in the pros?
With EF hurting his ankle, does his value take a hit?
Just goes to show, taking a break from basketball and sitting out all year, you are subject to getting injured.
It's going to be interesting how the FO handles EF moving forward.
blkexec wrote:With EF hurting his ankle, does his value take a hit? Just goes to show, taking a break from basketball and sitting out all year, you are subject to getting injured.
It's going to be interesting how the FO handles EF moving forward.
Is he out of the Series or just one game?
did he tear a ligament or step on a Lego piece in the hotel.
Lets hope its not a bad sprain. Read the same report that said he was looking good.
Lower his value? Hope not.
Taking a break? He practiced like the rest of the team, and he has been training I reckon.
Luka hurt him self first game. It happens.
I see both sides on Ayton and none of us can really know what’s going on in his head - if he is really upset and it’s hurting his performance or if he doesn’t care.
Above said - seeing what I can see and watching Mitch do nada offensively and comparing him to guys like Bam, Lopez, Embid, Joker, AD and Ayton and I think Mitch really caps our potential. I think there were some defensive metrics that indicated Ayton was a top rim defender maybe a season or 2 ago without having big block shot #s.
