Knicks · OT Vivek Ramaswamy (page 6)
That level of skin-deep care and thoughtfulness. But he talks nice and uses fun phrases and words so there is that.
martin wrote:Once you get past Ramaswamy's shiny veneer, he is a sham. Just like Trump before him.Fall for the con, get burned by the con. He is a well spoken political actor who delivers his lines nicely. After you get past that almost transparently thin layer, he has nothing to offer.
Do your homework this time Briggs so that you don't have to get burned by your own question of "What have we got to lose?"
I'll admit it, I did not know much about him prior to last night other than his polling was interesting
man martin, you had him pegged from the jump, pegged like Trump with a Russian whore
gradyandrew wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:gradyandrew wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:gradyandrew wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:Nalod wrote:Biden is the lessor of evils when forced to vote.
If this is the best of what we can bring to a vote, then I go to the lessor of evil.Then you have this self serving, say anything to appeal to gullible audience:https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/22/politics/...
Biden is actually a pretty decent president. He may be old and jumbles his words, but his brain and judgment seem to remain pretty sharp, or at least he has sharp people making decisions around him.
My biggest concern would be his VP. I am a bit surprised at how low-profile Kamala has been, which makes me wonder how ready she is to step in and provide determined leadership and direction.
My problem with Biden is that he is not going far enough in terms of expanding civil liberties, and that he does not seem to care about the ballooning government debt. In this regard Vivek is saying some things that resonate.
The thing for me is if it's Biden and Trump up on the debate stage there's no way Trump loses. Biden will look too old and with the inflation that will be enough to sink Joe in the election. Vivek is looking like the only guy who can save the country from another 4 years of Trump.
Trump isn't a viable candidate and should have long been arrested and thrown in jail. The fact that he still allowed to run just continues to expose how accountability has been completely stripped away at the top. We all saw him incite an insurrection. In an attempt to stop a peaceful transfer of power, in an election he lost. That alone is treason. Which is practically the biggest crime in politics. But even if his treason and stolen documents case are to complicated for people to follow. And you fall for the narrative that he was justified because the election was stolen(though proven wrong in court multiple times over these past years). And this is all just the Democrats looking to tie him up in court for election interference(Even though its all Republican who are testifying in order to avoid their own charges)
Dude was found guilty of sexual assault and ordered to pay $5 million in damages for it a couple months ago. That isn't to complicated for the average joe to grasp. Though watching treason live on television shouldn't be either. If his sexual assault conviction isn't hammered home at every chance by his opponents. What are they even doing? Honestly the fact that it hasn't buried him as soon as he was convicted. And his political opponents haven't flooded the airways painting him as the rapist he is already is a misstep.
With all that said even if he is able to run, does run and doesn't get thrown in jail from the 4 indictments and 91 crimes and counting with a RICO being one of them. One thing the midterms have shown is that young people are starting to vote and they are favoring Democratic views. They are going to vote for environment and right to choose. Which is why GOP now want to raise the age limit knowing this can sway elections going forward.
I don't see what Trump has done since losing to Biden other than catch charges for rape, treason & obstruction to beat him out this time. The only variable is the level of racism, ignorance, and stupidity of American people which Trump represents as their champion.
Getting convicted of a crime is a lot harder than getting elected. Remember the rape conviction was a civil suit in New York and it's still on appeal. I'm just trying to picture jury selection in Georgia. How do you find 12 people who don't have an opinion one way or another?
The nation is too divided to handle another Trump run.
Due to already being convicted of rape that "should" eliminate anyone from being able to run. If he were to win the appeal putting the trial back on. Then I could see the case for him being able to run. But that would be Democracy which he and his base tried to overthrow.
He attempted a coup live on television. There should already be grounds for withholding him from being able to run until he is able to clear himself from treason. But this just me saying what should be due to the nature of treason and the position he is looking to obtain. And surprised and alarmed that this isn't already the case.
And again just through the game of politics alone even if you weren't someone morally inclined. The fact that it isn't hammered home that the biggest threat in Trump has been convicted of rape to the American public is a grave misstep. His base isn't going to care. But you want to ensure anyone who for some reason is on the fence is clearly aware.
It was a civil suit, not a criminal case. The Constitution is clear about what offenses bar someone from holding the presidency. Don't hold your breath expecting a Georgia jury to come back with a conviction for insurrection.
The problem is that the Dems have made an 8 year campaign trying to convince American voters that Trump is a villain while ignoring that a lot of Americans agree with what he says. Every time the argument boils down to "Trump voters are idiots who don't know what's good for them" the Dems lose.
Trump is not on trial in GA for "insurrection"...he's charged with specific crimes under RICO statutes and is obviously guilty of many of them, with the type of rock solid evidence you can't walk away from (i.e., the phone call). His ONLY chance of avoiding a GA prison is to win the election.
martin wrote:Vivek has that cheerful consultant vibe that goes along with someone hired to lay off half the company as he walks into a room full of instantly smitten employees, all lemming-like and lovingly batting their eyes moments before they are escorted out of the building and told the 25 year service they gave to the company is worthy of that $0.99 thruway coffee cup they hand out as a booby prize to hold them over til they get a new job, cause unbeknownst to his devoted followers, not even an ounce of severance will make it their way, coffers gotta stay stout for the exec's and their wives and mistresses too and then golden parachute and yacht and a few random abortions for us but not for you cause pro-life, pro-family, don't forget to buy some more guns and see you at church on Sunday you'all. Thanks and don't let the door hit you on the way out.That level of skin-deep care and thoughtfulness. But he talks nice and uses fun phrases and words so there is that.
Dude seems slimy. Every time he spoke felt like you were watching a MLM or timeshare presentation. Whole strategy is to be as extreme for the MAGA group to be a viable "Trump without the indictments".
Thought Nikki Haley stood out from the pack. I'm sure I won't agree with most of her policies, but she did call out hypocritical republicans who contributed to government spending while complaining about Dems. She was also very strong in her stance on defending Ukraine.
Pathetic showing when candidates were asked about supporting Trump IF CONVICTED. The Vivek doubling down trying to get all to commit to a pardon. If he wasn't at the capital on Jan 6, he was cheering it on...not even hiding it with his Revolution talk.
EwingPSD wrote:As a long-time Knick fan and body language expert, Vivek appears phony.
Would he be a worse President then Layden or Thomas was a GM
SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:Once you get past Ramaswamy's shiny veneer, he is a sham. Just like Trump before him.Fall for the con, get burned by the con. He is a well spoken political actor who delivers his lines nicely. After you get past that almost transparently thin layer, he has nothing to offer.
Do your homework this time Briggs so that you don't have to get burned by your own question of "What have we got to lose?"
I'll admit it, I did not know much about him prior to last night other than his polling was interesting
man martin, you had him pegged from the jump, pegged like Trump with a Russian whore
Admittedly, I should be more helpful. But I am tired and it is a lot of work. I do swim in the political arena (not actively so but definitely firmly there) and keep up with this stuff day in and day out and all year around.
Last night's performance from the entire stage was breath-taking. Every member on that stage said they would support Trump if he is both convicted and the nominee for their party. Trump, the guy who mostly likely wanted Pence hung, allegedly stole classified documents by the bathroom full, who allegedly and mostly likely orchestrated the wiping of video camera surveillance of said stolen classified material, just before cunningly (?!?!) ordering the pool be emptied into the IT server closet? The guy who had RAPE definitively memorialized in whatever motion by a Federal Judge? The guy who lead the hell-fire on our Capital and had Senators and Congress people shitting their pants as they hid anywhere they could so they wouldn't get killed/maimed/whatever?
That's the guy every Republican on stage said they would support without blinking.
Sleepy Joe Brandon is light years ahead of those crass, vile morons as both a human and caregiver to our nation. These choices shouldn't be too hard to see.
MaTT4281 wrote:martin wrote:Vivek has that cheerful consultant vibe that goes along with someone hired to lay off half the company as he walks into a room full of instantly smitten employees, all lemming-like and lovingly batting their eyes moments before they are escorted out of the building and told the 25 year service they gave to the company is worthy of that $0.99 thruway coffee cup they hand out as a booby prize to hold them over til they get a new job, cause unbeknownst to his devoted followers, not even an ounce of severance will make it their way, coffers gotta stay stout for the exec's and their wives and mistresses too and then golden parachute and yacht and a few random abortions for us but not for you cause pro-life, pro-family, don't forget to buy some more guns and see you at church on Sunday you'all. Thanks and don't let the door hit you on the way out.That level of skin-deep care and thoughtfulness. But he talks nice and uses fun phrases and words so there is that.
Dude seems slimy. Every time he spoke felt like you were watching a MLM or timeshare presentation. Whole strategy is to be as extreme for the MAGA group to be a viable "Trump without the indictments".
Thought Nikki Haley stood out from the pack. I'm sure I won't agree with most of her policies, but she did call out hypocritical republicans who contributed to government spending while complaining about Dems. She was also very strong in her stance on defending Ukraine.
Pathetic showing when candidates were asked about supporting Trump IF CONVICTED. The Vivek doubling down trying to get all to commit to a pardon. If he wasn't at the capital on Jan 6, he was cheering it on...not even hiding it with his Revolution talk.
Thing about the far right high level Trumpers is that they are not stupid. They may be slimy, have no moral ground and would sell their mom for a dollar but they know what will make them money, give them power and how to use the average uneducated American. The country is filled with guys like this that know how to take advantage of the Trump cult. Guys like Vivek know that this is the era for saying crazy over the top rhetoric that pushes the line of racism and authoritarianism. People like saying they don't give a shit about anything but themselves.
In a nut shell, he said fuck Ukraine, fuck the constitution, fuck law and order and knelt at the Trump altar with one eye open checking to see how many Trumpers saw him there.
It was pathetic watching Desantis and Vivek do their mini Trump impressions. Bet they would both do ANYTHING to get that VP nod.
Thought Haley was the only one speaking the truth and contributing common sense. But we all know the party that overturned a womens right to choose and think "grabbing their pussies" is okay, won't be voting for a woman.
martin wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:Once you get past Ramaswamy's shiny veneer, he is a sham. Just like Trump before him.Fall for the con, get burned by the con. He is a well spoken political actor who delivers his lines nicely. After you get past that almost transparently thin layer, he has nothing to offer.
Do your homework this time Briggs so that you don't have to get burned by your own question of "What have we got to lose?"
I'll admit it, I did not know much about him prior to last night other than his polling was interesting
man martin, you had him pegged from the jump, pegged like Trump with a Russian whore
Admittedly, I should be more helpful. But I am tired and it is a lot of work. I do swim in the political arena (not actively so but definitely firmly there) and keep up with this stuff day in and day out and all year around.
Last night's performance from the entire stage was breath-taking. Every member on that stage said they would support Trump if he is both convicted and the nominee for their party. Trump, the guy who mostly likely wanted Pence hung, allegedly stole classified documents by the bathroom full, who allegedly and mostly likely orchestrated the wiping of video camera surveillance of said stolen classified material, just before cunningly (?!?!) ordering the pool be emptied into the IT server closet? The guy who had RAPE definitively memorialized in whatever motion by a Federal Judge? The guy who lead the hell-fire on our Capital and had Senators and Congress people shitting their pants as they hid anywhere they could so they wouldn't get killed/maimed/whatever?
That's the guy every Republican on stage said they would support without blinking.
Sleepy Joe Brandon is light years ahead of those crass, vile morons as both a human and caregiver to our nation. These choices shouldn't be too hard to see.
Don't think Christie and Hutchenson agreed. Note that the others are all likely pandering for cabinet or VP slots. Politicans pretty much suck in more ways than one.
On a separate note, I've seen Vivek on CNBC interviews prior to this candidacy. Climate change denier with little substance and no governing, global foreign affairs etc... experience. Always thought of him as another self aggrendizing flim flam artist.
foosballnick wrote:martin wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:Once you get past Ramaswamy's shiny veneer, he is a sham. Just like Trump before him.Fall for the con, get burned by the con. He is a well spoken political actor who delivers his lines nicely. After you get past that almost transparently thin layer, he has nothing to offer.
Do your homework this time Briggs so that you don't have to get burned by your own question of "What have we got to lose?"
I'll admit it, I did not know much about him prior to last night other than his polling was interesting
man martin, you had him pegged from the jump, pegged like Trump with a Russian whore
Admittedly, I should be more helpful. But I am tired and it is a lot of work. I do swim in the political arena (not actively so but definitely firmly there) and keep up with this stuff day in and day out and all year around.
Last night's performance from the entire stage was breath-taking. Every member on that stage said they would support Trump if he is both convicted and the nominee for their party. Trump, the guy who mostly likely wanted Pence hung, allegedly stole classified documents by the bathroom full, who allegedly and mostly likely orchestrated the wiping of video camera surveillance of said stolen classified material, just before cunningly (?!?!) ordering the pool be emptied into the IT server closet? The guy who had RAPE definitively memorialized in whatever motion by a Federal Judge? The guy who lead the hell-fire on our Capital and had Senators and Congress people shitting their pants as they hid anywhere they could so they wouldn't get killed/maimed/whatever?
That's the guy every Republican on stage said they would support without blinking.
Sleepy Joe Brandon is light years ahead of those crass, vile morons as both a human and caregiver to our nation. These choices shouldn't be too hard to see.
Don't think Christie and Hutchenson agreed. Note that the others are all likely pandering for cabinet or VP slots. Politicans pretty much suck in more ways than one.
On a separate note, I've seen Vivek on CNBC interviews prior to this candidacy. Climate change denier with little substance and no governing, global foreign affairs etc... experience. Always thought of him as another self aggrendizing flim flam artist.
You are right. Christie did a half wave and Hutchenson did not raise hand. Christie probably couldn't lift his arm up high enough and fast enough because of the near death COVID experience he went through from when Trump purposely breathed on him during that 4-hour closed and close room debate prep. Mutherfucker nearly and quite possibly purposely killed Christie but Chris is not enthusiastic enough to not want that person to be his representative? lol
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martin wrote:foosballnick wrote:martin wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:Once you get past Ramaswamy's shiny veneer, he is a sham. Just like Trump before him.Fall for the con, get burned by the con. He is a well spoken political actor who delivers his lines nicely. After you get past that almost transparently thin layer, he has nothing to offer.
Do your homework this time Briggs so that you don't have to get burned by your own question of "What have we got to lose?"
I'll admit it, I did not know much about him prior to last night other than his polling was interesting
man martin, you had him pegged from the jump, pegged like Trump with a Russian whore
Admittedly, I should be more helpful. But I am tired and it is a lot of work. I do swim in the political arena (not actively so but definitely firmly there) and keep up with this stuff day in and day out and all year around.
Last night's performance from the entire stage was breath-taking. Every member on that stage said they would support Trump if he is both convicted and the nominee for their party. Trump, the guy who mostly likely wanted Pence hung, allegedly stole classified documents by the bathroom full, who allegedly and mostly likely orchestrated the wiping of video camera surveillance of said stolen classified material, just before cunningly (?!?!) ordering the pool be emptied into the IT server closet? The guy who had RAPE definitively memorialized in whatever motion by a Federal Judge? The guy who lead the hell-fire on our Capital and had Senators and Congress people shitting their pants as they hid anywhere they could so they wouldn't get killed/maimed/whatever?
That's the guy every Republican on stage said they would support without blinking.
Sleepy Joe Brandon is light years ahead of those crass, vile morons as both a human and caregiver to our nation. These choices shouldn't be too hard to see.
Don't think Christie and Hutchenson agreed. Note that the others are all likely pandering for cabinet or VP slots. Politicans pretty much suck in more ways than one.
On a separate note, I've seen Vivek on CNBC interviews prior to this candidacy. Climate change denier with little substance and no governing, global foreign affairs etc... experience. Always thought of him as another self aggrendizing flim flam artist.
You are right. Christie did a half wave and Hutchenson did not raise hand. Christie probably couldn't lift his arm up high enough and fast enough because of the near death COVID experience he went through from when Trump purposely breathed on him during that 4-hour closed and close room debate prep. Mutherfucker nearly and quite possibly purposely killed Christie but Chris is not enthusiastic enough to not want that person to be his representative? lol
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Notice how Desantis had to wait to see how the others were going to vote and how the crowed was responding first.
Alpha1971 wrote:Where Briggs to further defend his guy ?
Rather he not, as he most likely will only touch on how well spoken he comes across &/or agreeing with trash culture war anti woke ideals since actual quality policy is lacking.
newyorknewyork wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Where Briggs to further defend his guy ?Rather he not, as he most likely will only touch on how well spoken he comes across &/or agreeing with trash culture war anti woke ideals since actual quality policy is lacking.
BRIGGS isn't responsible for this creep. Sometimes you form an opinion too soon before things go off the rail (or as martin put it, you fall for the con). But after hearing Vivek speak for the first time last night, I want to revisit one statement from the original post:
BRIGGS wrote:Hes republican but really if you listen to him hes centric and thats what the US needs
I didn't hear one thing last night from Vivek that could be confused as centric. He even seemed to be going too far for the other republicans on the stage. What positions of his did you think were more moderate leaning? Did he just reverse course on the topics?
MaTT4281 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Where Briggs to further defend his guy ?Rather he not, as he most likely will only touch on how well spoken he comes across &/or agreeing with trash culture war anti woke ideals since actual quality policy is lacking.
BRIGGS isn't responsible for this creep. Sometimes you form an opinion too soon before things go off the rail (or as martin put it, you fall for the con). But after hearing Vivek speak for the first time last night, I want to revisit one statement from the original post:
BRIGGS wrote:Hes republican but really if you listen to him hes centric and thats what the US needsI didn't hear one thing last night from Vivek that could be confused as centric. He even seemed to be going too far for the other republicans on the stage. What positions of his did you think were more moderate leaning? Did he just reverse course on the topics?
He wants decriminalize more drugs, but I'm not sure he won't flip flop on that one either
MaTT4281 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Where Briggs to further defend his guy ?Rather he not, as he most likely will only touch on how well spoken he comes across &/or agreeing with trash culture war anti woke ideals since actual quality policy is lacking.
BRIGGS isn't responsible for this creep. Sometimes you form an opinion too soon before things go off the rail. But after hearing Vivek speak for the first time last night, I want to revisit one statement from the original post:
BRIGGS wrote:Hes republican but really if you listen to him hes centric and thats what the US needsI didn't hear one thing last night from Vivek that could be confused as centric. He even seemed to be going too far for the other republicans on the stage. What positions of his did you think were more moderate leaning? Did he just reverse course on the topics?
I think Briggs meant that he looked "centric". He started by stealing one of Obama's best lines, so that's probably no accident. Suggest some very regressive policies while looking "centric". Big Smile!
Briggs,
May I suggest that when you hear Vivek suggest what some would consider "feel good" policies. That you use your business man's intellect, and think about how these policies might go wrong and bite us in our collective arses down the road.
There are enough Americans who are AOK with making money and spreading utter and complete nonsense. I think most people are at least in the realm of WTF on this specific litter box storyline but enough are not and eat it up and it then bounces to real world issues and muddies up the waters of discussion and discourse and compromise.
We as a country and humanity are not heading in a good direction and it is at the complete willingness of our neighbors and fellow Americans who don't give a fuck and will walk away with some extra cash in pocket.
There is not enough of a moral line with some people.
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martin wrote:This is the channel that millions of Republican votes get their information from. It is hard process to combat the disinformation day after day and week after week after week. Just chasing an infinite loop of performative ignorance.There are enough Americans who are AOK with making money and spreading utter and complete nonsense. I think most people are at least in the realm of WTF on this specific litter box storyline but enough are not and eat it up and it then bounces to real world issues and muddies up the waters of discussion and discourse and compromise.
We as a country and humanity are not heading in a good direction and it is at the complete willingness of our neighbors and fellow Americans who don't give a fuck and will walk away with some extra cash in pocket.
There is not enough of a moral line with some people.
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My son has told me about the boy in his high school who identifies as a cat and the neighbouring school that has converted one of the handicapped toilets into a litter box.
gradyandrew wrote:martin wrote:This is the channel that millions of Republican votes get their information from. It is hard process to combat the disinformation day after day and week after week after week. Just chasing an infinite loop of performative ignorance.There are enough Americans who are AOK with making money and spreading utter and complete nonsense. I think most people are at least in the realm of WTF on this specific litter box storyline but enough are not and eat it up and it then bounces to real world issues and muddies up the waters of discussion and discourse and compromise.
We as a country and humanity are not heading in a good direction and it is at the complete willingness of our neighbors and fellow Americans who don't give a fuck and will walk away with some extra cash in pocket.
There is not enough of a moral line with some people.
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Are you still living in China?
BigDaddyG wrote:gradyandrew wrote:martin wrote:This is the channel that millions of Republican votes get their information from. It is hard process to combat the disinformation day after day and week after week after week. Just chasing an infinite loop of performative ignorance.There are enough Americans who are AOK with making money and spreading utter and complete nonsense. I think most people are at least in the realm of WTF on this specific litter box storyline but enough are not and eat it up and it then bounces to real world issues and muddies up the waters of discussion and discourse and compromise.
We as a country and humanity are not heading in a good direction and it is at the complete willingness of our neighbors and fellow Americans who don't give a fuck and will walk away with some extra cash in pocket.
There is not enough of a moral line with some people.
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Are you still living in China?
No, I'm back in the States for the first time in 4 years. Coviid really sucked, lol. My boy is so tall now that I could hardly recognize him until he was 20 feet away. For all you patriots, if you ever doubt America, just go to a supermarket- they are so awesome.