happy new year y'all.
just wanted to re-iterate just how awesome this trade is for both teams. rare talent for talent deal that gave both teams what they were looking for.
i remember a year ago when the og rumors first started, i came here and said the deal would probably have to be something like quickley + obi + frp - and i think a ton of you yelled at me and told me to f off lol. this is slightly better imho. rj's better than obi and the detroit 2nd (which will be 31 or 32) might have more value than picks 25-30 simply b/c the contracts are not gauranteed and you can dip into the 2nd round exception to pay the contract. since we started winning 10 years ago, masai's deals aren't for dumps and picks - he wants young players that can play now and develop - hence why the fournier + picks never appealed to him, while that may appeal to many other gm's. for masai, iq >>>> 2 frp's unless they are totally unprotected - and imho, i agree with that.
i view rj as a transitional player. play him more against other bench units. reduce his usage and try to get his efficiency up. but i don't think he's a raptor for all 3 years left on his deal unless he actually does become more efficient.
synopsis of the guys you are getting:
og is a high end defender. if thibs play an aggressive defense (though not having mitch hurts), then og will get a ton of steals too (led the league last year). he can hit the catch and shoot 3. he can finish in transition. asking him to iso in the half court or pump fake and drive is an absolute adventure b/c he doesn't have good handles and constantly turns the ball over in those situations or gets block - so if you expand his offensive role, this part of his game will definitely frustrate you. but you need og on the roster for that next move for a star (if that happens). my guess is that you re-sign him for $35-40 mil a year.
precious is a very good defender too but he needs to be put in a box. he can switch and guard multiple positions. he had like a 2 month stretch in 21/22 where he was awesome from 3 - and that got us all excited at his future prospect but that's all it was. those 2 months made me think he could potentially be an og replacement down the road but unfortunately, he's not a smart player and has awful hands. can finish in transition but thibs needs to make him a defender and keep him in the dunkers spot unless his 3 somehow comes back. again, he's not a smart player - dont ask him to do too much. he will frustrate you at times.
flynn isn't really worth a mention but he's not a top 9 rotation guard. he plays scared, doesn't hit enough shots and has confidence issues. nurse killed his confidence and never played him. darko did give him alot of rope and time this year but he still wasn't very good. he's contract fodder and may not be in the nba next year.
I hope Toronto fans are not expecting that %.
Clean wrote:still thinking but this is much current feeling on this. Now when the trade for a real star comes and Randle is gone we either gain another good defender or trade bad ones so our defense is still good overall. We just need to get Grimes to be more agressive as a starter. Him and OG as defenders are going to be awesome to watch.
Why you quoting Kris from KFS 😂😂 like he is a source with any knowledge 😂😂😂
blkexec wrote:OG is Ron Artest w/o the handles but with a jumper from deep and he’s a larger player who can guard players bigger than him like some centers. OG gives us a look at the impact of having a true 3&D wing.We had too many small guards who needed PT. Played Devo at SF just to get IQ some PT. And it works in stretches but not in the playoffs, which appears to be their thinking from these moves. Healthy OG is perfect for Thibs.
This tells me we all in on Thibs, JB and Jules. Building around this core isn’t bad. RJ or Randle had to go. IQ was removed in friendly fire. The real chess move is getting him back. I believe that’s still in play until he signs new contract with Toronto correct?
Happy New Year
Good comp with Artist.
This was not about Thib punishing IQ or blocking him. It was about Brunson. Not gonna pay him 20-15 to come off the bench.
As I said yesterday, Grimes will see more daylight and thrive.
Nalod wrote:blkexec wrote:OG is Ron Artest w/o the handles but with a jumper from deep and he’s a larger player who can guard players bigger than him like some centers. OG gives us a look at the impact of having a true 3&D wing.We had too many small guards who needed PT. Played Devo at SF just to get IQ some PT. And it works in stretches but not in the playoffs, which appears to be their thinking from these moves. Healthy OG is perfect for Thibs.
This tells me we all in on Thibs, JB and Jules. Building around this core isn’t bad. RJ or Randle had to go. IQ was removed in friendly fire. The real chess move is getting him back. I believe that’s still in play until he signs new contract with Toronto correct?
Happy New Year
Good comp with Artist.
This was not about Thib punishing IQ or blocking him. It was about Brunson. Not gonna pay him 20-15 to come off the bench.
As I said yesterday, Grimes will see more daylight and thrive.
Hope Grimes kills it. At the very least it raises his trade value.
Alpha1971 wrote:Clean wrote:still thinking but this is much current feeling on this. Now when the trade for a real star comes and Randle is gone we either gain another good defender or trade bad ones so our defense is still good overall. We just need to get Grimes to be more agressive as a starter. Him and OG as defenders are going to be awesome to watch.
Why you quoting Kris from KFS 😂😂 like he is a source with any knowledge 😂😂😂
The post has nothing to do with sources. It is simply talking about us making the team a better fit for a superstar trade. For example, the old team had 3 minus defenders as starters. That is already bad so if we were to trade for Mitchell we would be stuck with a bad defensive team. Now with OG we can trade for Mitchell and still be respectable on D. This is just an opinion. There is no need for sources. I was just saying I agree with his line of thinking.
Clean wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Clean wrote:still thinking but this is much current feeling on this. Now when the trade for a real star comes and Randle is gone we either gain another good defender or trade bad ones so our defense is still good overall. We just need to get Grimes to be more agressive as a starter. Him and OG as defenders are going to be awesome to watch.
Why you quoting Kris from KFS 😂😂 like he is a source with any knowledge 😂😂😂
The post has nothing to do with sources. It is simply talking about us making the team a better fit for a superstar trade. For example, the old team had 3 minus defenders as starters. That is already bad so if we were to trade for Mitchell we would be stuck with a bad defensive team. Now with OG we can trade for Mitchell and still be respectable on D. This is just an opinion. There is no need for sources. I was just saying I agree with his line of thinking.
I'm just kidding. These Knicks bloggers are hysterical. Hey want to start a blog with me ?
DAL pick now tied for 15th, one byproduct to the OG trade is we might actually use some draft picks now.
We need cheap young players, we were at the point where all the young guys were going to be getting paid big.
I loved IQ but am excited about the trade
Og can be our Robert horry. We needed length and he will help spacing
You have to give to get and the give was IQ. My suspicion is that Leon couldn’t justify paying 25+ for IQ with his role on this team. I liked RJ but he was frustrating and another guy who needed the ball in his hand so a bit awkward with JB and JR
Hoping Grimes Steps up on offense
Hoping precious can provide some quality energy at backup 5 and 4
martin wrote:Feels like it
Toronto’s SL looks much better with our guys there. Curious what they do with Siakam.
martin wrote:
How can we leave when this very thread was created with crying tears. 
Thought this was a thread that talks about how bad the trade was.
EwingsGlass wrote:martin wrote:Feels like it
Toronto’s SL looks much better with our guys there. Curious what they do with Siakam.
Siakam has eyes for Philly with Embiid, no we shall see
blkexec wrote:martin wrote:
How can we leave when this very thread was created with crying tears.
Thought this was a thread that talks about how bad the trade was.
“Its bad”…..
Whose bad?
MS persona is the “negative uncle” type but we all have our opinions and reactions.
Takes a few years to sort out the real effects of a trade. Fact is the 31st pick we gave might yield a star player and tilt the whole thing out.
That we got Mook Morris for free and traded him for what became IQ does add to this trade. We can go on and on.
This could very well be a win-win trade. Things happen in the aftermath.
Haliburton was on SAC with Fox was not this current version of him. He needed space. Sabonis was what Sac needed and both teams “won”.
What is interesting is for many fans our OG trade hinges on “getting a star player”. Media and blogs feed that as we crave a good starphuch. We also love to get angry when one does not materialize.
If our “FO” does see dead people, or things we don’t know, then it will be a logical progression.
OG does not make us a contender but what we saw yesterday was the chemistry.
Grimes and DDV get more open looks.
Dejuante Murray talk is interesting. On the surface I don’t get it. Part of his exile from SAS was his toxic perosnality from what I read. Perhaps he has matured a bit but the combo of him and Trae might not all be on him. Trae is a hell of a talent but may not have the “winning” approach. For all the changes they have gone thru he is the constant.
But……if OG is here long term and RJ gone is there room for one more ball dominant player? DM is a player I really wanted here but just don’t see it.
Sure I want Giannis or Embiid. I like what KAT is doing in Minny this year. Im trying to keep an open mind.
It's amazing what removing two more ball stoppers and surrounding them with high IQ, movers, and spacers did to the offense yesterday against the best D in the league.
DLeethal wrote:It's amazing what removing two more ball stoppers and surrounding them with high IQ, movers, and spacers did to the offense yesterday against the best D in the league.
Yep.
Now imagine Brunson making a few more shots and Mitch out there too
martin wrote:DLeethal wrote:It's amazing what removing two more ball stoppers and surrounding them with high IQ, movers, and spacers did to the offense yesterday against the best D in the league.
Yep.
Now imagine Brunson making a few more shots and Mitch out there too
I don't think people realize how much more equipped we are to win tight playoff battles now, by having a truly high IQ team. Brunson/RJ/Randle/IQ as your top 4 ball controllers is just a mistake prone unit. Small samples but you can honestly see it in how we perform against late game pressure. How many times last year did we almost cough up an easy win due to not being able to inbound, get the ball up the floor against desperation full court pressure / traps? Pretty sure we lost to the Bulls and Mavs in games we had big leads with under a minute left. Last night against the desperate late game pressure the Villanova guys were carving it up. Little things like that make a big difference in the playoffs when the full game has that high intensity pressure.
Yeah but scary dead offense in the 4th quarter. I do fear the lack of a 3rd guy who can get his own shot or create some offense is a flaw. I also think lack of a secondary ballhandler is a flaw as this team is turnover prone and susceptible to the press and trap.
I do think Anunoby as a floor spacer is huge and dependable shooting from the corner and back door cutting is important. Both OG and Donte are good at this.
