Knicks · Knicks finalizing trade for OG: It’s bad - badass for Knicks, bad for rest of league BOO YA (page 24)

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Nalod wrote:
OG is a great fit for what Knicks are wanting to do.

What are the Knicks wanting to do? Win a chip with the Big Three of Randle-Brunson-Anunoby?

It's like me wanting to become a billionaire by operating a falafel shop.

OG has been a great fit, but I'm not seeing him as part of a "Big Three". Still seeing us as having a Big Two of Brunson/Randle, with some stellar support around them (OG has looked very good, but has he been more important than Hartenstein has during this same stretch?)

I'll whine for a while because I still feel Quick was the best player in the deal, but no denying fit and refocusing everyone's roles has given us a jolt. Plus it has been great to see Deuce back in the rotation and playing meaningful minutes. Winning makes the acceptance stage that much easier...

martin wrote:How is this possible?

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It's easier to get dunks when you're not barrelling in three defenders in the paint.

Start at the 3 min mark for trade recap, 12min mark for next steps. Reasonable stuff

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Nalod wrote:
OG is a great fit for what Knicks are wanting to do.

What are the Knicks wanting to do? Win a chip with the Big Three of Randle-Brunson-Anunoby?

It's like me wanting to become a billionaire by operating a falafel shop.

Knicks wanted to improve the defense and felt maybe open up the talent they already had on offense.

You should make the best falafel you can. so good the line is out the door. Then you get a bigger place. if succeeding, open more locations and standardize the process so food quality does not decline. It takes time and hard work. No starphuching the Falafel.
Good locations sometimes have higher rents. its a trade off.

If RJ was to stay the same, and We paid IQ and kept him off the bench, would we be better?
Then we have to pay others and due them raises too. Do we get better?

Not like we broke up a contending team. Its a work in progress. I don't think we win a chip with these three. one has to ask ones self "what don't I know?"
To me, our ceiling is higher and cap flexible. No guarantee.

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95.1 per in this offensively charged NBA is crazy.

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Nalod wrote:
OG is a great fit for what Knicks are wanting to do.

What are the Knicks wanting to do? Win a chip with the Big Three of Randle-Brunson-Anunoby?

It's like me wanting to become a billionaire by operating a falafel shop.

what a bad take. Is Brunson a title caliber player? We'll see. OG and the role he plays certainly is. Look at the talent on the wings starting with Boston. OG is 100% a piece to the championship puzzle. Good chance a lead guard who can score from anywhere and get his shot off again most anyone and is a proven crunch time performer is also a good piece. As for Randle? He and Thibs are what we have and somehow they both just keep working to get better. Randle is not a selfish player. Nothing here says we can only go as far as Randle will take us.

Flip side

fishmike wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Nalod wrote:
OG is a great fit for what Knicks are wanting to do.

What are the Knicks wanting to do? Win a chip with the Big Three of Randle-Brunson-Anunoby?

It's like me wanting to become a billionaire by operating a falafel shop.

what a bad take. Is Brunson a title caliber player? We'll see. OG and the role he plays certainly is. Look at the talent on the wings starting with Boston. OG is 100% a piece to the championship puzzle. Good chance a lead guard who can score from anywhere and get his shot off again most anyone and is a proven crunch time performer is also a good piece. As for Randle? He and Thibs are what we have and somehow they both just keep working to get better. Randle is not a selfish player. Nothing here says we can only go as far as Randle will take us.

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KnickDanger wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Nalod wrote:
OG is a great fit for what Knicks are wanting to do.

What are the Knicks wanting to do? Win a chip with the Big Three of Randle-Brunson-Anunoby?

It's like me wanting to become a billionaire by operating a falafel shop.

what a bad take. Is Brunson a title caliber player? We'll see. OG and the role he plays certainly is. Look at the talent on the wings starting with Boston. OG is 100% a piece to the championship puzzle. Good chance a lead guard who can score from anywhere and get his shot off again most anyone and is a proven crunch time performer is also a good piece. As for Randle? He and Thibs are what we have and somehow they both just keep working to get better. Randle is not a selfish player. Nothing here says we can only go as far as Randle will take us.

SME Business Update- Interview featuring Fadi Malas, CEO, Just Falafel:

"SME Business Update profiles local start-up businesses and innovative home grown concepts.
We get to know what small and medium entrepreneurs have to say about their business ventures in one to one interviews.
From a single restaurant in Abu Dhabi, Just Falafel has grown to be the biggest falafel franchise in the world. It was awarded the top rank in the Dubai SME 100 last year...."

do you like Falafels? HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM FALAFELS?!?!?!

Falafel is delicious.

Don’t get lost in it

Really nice OG defensive breakdowns

Nalod wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

MS wrote:Everyone getting crazy

Raptors 3-1

RJ 37pts 6rbs 6ass

No big deal. We are playing great. But a guy that averages 15pts for 37MM all good. Very excited how we are playing but let’s bleed the breaks. We love our Knicks, but this isn’t a one sided win.

I think the only call that this was one sided was by the thread starter - that we got “fleeced.”

It was an adult trade!

I know what I saw with RJ in NY and it was ultra meh - boring, inefficient basketball.

If he was so great we wouldn’t have needed to throw IQ in deal and league wouldn’t describe his deal as toxic.

Don’t have any I’ll will towards him but I never saw any development in his game —- Warriors are also a mess right now with Wiggins trying to get himself to Canada (Pascal?).

Remember RJ was an awkward fit with Randle and Brunson? Like OG is a great fit with us, RJ might be on a faster pace team. If you never saw development, your not looking hard enough. His 3pt shooting aside, he has gotten much better with his right hand, using the glass, finishing and passing out.
IQ? Wants starter money behind Brunson. He earned it.j That was not going to happen. Could we have done better? Fans prerogative to keep at it. We a week in to this.
OG is a great fit for what Knicks are wanting to do.

Respect your opinion Nalod but think this is an eye of the beholder type thing.

If you look at RJ’s yearly FG% he is consistently very low 40’s for 5 seasons with an avg of 42% - no growth/improvement.

His 3% is consistently in the very low 30’s with 1 outlier in the 5 years and an overall avg of 34% - bolstered by years 2 & 3.

Year 2 was best fg% and year 3 best 3% - so no improvements in year 4 or 5.

I stand by seeing no change in his game.

RJ is shooting 54% and 53% in 4 games with Raptors.

You believing those #s or the 42% and 34% shot over 4.5 years?

Nalod wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Nalod wrote:
OG is a great fit for what Knicks are wanting to do.

What are the Knicks wanting to do? Win a chip with the Big Three of Randle-Brunson-Anunoby?

It's like me wanting to become a billionaire by operating a falafel shop.

Knicks wanted to improve the defense and felt maybe open up the talent they already had on offense.

You should make the best falafel you can. so good the line is out the door. Then you get a bigger place. if succeeding, open more locations and standardize the process so food quality does not decline. It takes time and hard work. No starphuching the Falafel.
Good locations sometimes have higher rents. its a trade off.

If RJ was to stay the same, and We paid IQ and kept him off the bench, would we be better?
Then we have to pay others and due them raises too. Do we get better?

Not like we broke up a contending team. Its a work in progress. I don't think we win a chip with these three. one has to ask ones self "what don't I know?"
To me, our ceiling is higher and cap flexible. No guarantee.

To me, once the other shoe drops and we sign OG to the contract he wants, we lose flexibility for good. You could argue that with IQ we would have faced the same issue, but I rather think that trading a younger dynamic scoring PG on a $20m/yr contract would have been easier than trading an older defensive specialist at the SF spot on a $35m/yr contract.
Yes, we have kept our stockpile of first rounders, but how much are they really worth? Given our FO's reluctance to add a rookie from the lower tiers of the first round, probably not much.

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Nalod wrote:
OG is a great fit for what Knicks are wanting to do.

What are the Knicks wanting to do? Win a chip with the Big Three of Randle-Brunson-Anunoby?

It's like me wanting to become a billionaire by operating a falafel shop.

Knicks wanted to improve the defense and felt maybe open up the talent they already had on offense.

You should make the best falafel you can. so good the line is out the door. Then you get a bigger place. if succeeding, open more locations and standardize the process so food quality does not decline. It takes time and hard work. No starphuching the Falafel.
Good locations sometimes have higher rents. its a trade off.

If RJ was to stay the same, and We paid IQ and kept him off the bench, would we be better?
Then we have to pay others and due them raises too. Do we get better?

Not like we broke up a contending team. Its a work in progress. I don't think we win a chip with these three. one has to ask ones self "what don't I know?"
To me, our ceiling is higher and cap flexible. No guarantee.

To me, once the other shoe drops and we sign OG to the contract he wants, we lose flexibility for good. You could argue that with IQ we would have faced the same issue, but I rather think that trading a younger dynamic scoring PG on a $20m/yr contract would have been easier than trading an older defensive specialist at the SF spot on a $35m/yr contract.
Yes, we have kept our stockpile of first rounders, but how much are they really worth? Given our FO's reluctance to add a rookie from the lower tiers of the first round, probably not much.

We were willing to pay him 20mil per. He wanted 25mil plus per year.

KnickDanger wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Nalod wrote:
OG is a great fit for what Knicks are wanting to do.

What are the Knicks wanting to do? Win a chip with the Big Three of Randle-Brunson-Anunoby?

It's like me wanting to become a billionaire by operating a falafel shop.

what a bad take. Is Brunson a title caliber player? We'll see. OG and the role he plays certainly is. Look at the talent on the wings starting with Boston. OG is 100% a piece to the championship puzzle. Good chance a lead guard who can score from anywhere and get his shot off again most anyone and is a proven crunch time performer is also a good piece. As for Randle? He and Thibs are what we have and somehow they both just keep working to get better. Randle is not a selfish player. Nothing here says we can only go as far as Randle will take us.

SME Business Update- Interview featuring Fadi Malas, CEO, Just Falafel:

"SME Business Update profiles local start-up businesses and innovative home grown concepts.
We get to know what small and medium entrepreneurs have to say about their business ventures in one to one interviews.
From a single restaurant in Abu Dhabi, Just Falafel has grown to be the biggest falafel franchise in the world. It was awarded the top rank in the Dubai SME 100 last year...."

Nice. But this is over 9 years old. Where is his billion net worth?

LivingLegend wrote:RJ is shooting 54% and 53% in 4 games with Raptors.

You believing those #s or the 42% and 34% shot over 4.5 years?

Too early to say. But if he sustains his percentages like this, it would be incontrovertible proof that our offensive schemes suck and he was not used here properly.

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Nalod wrote:
OG is a great fit for what Knicks are wanting to do.

What are the Knicks wanting to do? Win a chip with the Big Three of Randle-Brunson-Anunoby?

It's like me wanting to become a billionaire by operating a falafel shop.

Knicks wanted to improve the defense and felt maybe open up the talent they already had on offense.

You should make the best falafel you can. so good the line is out the door. Then you get a bigger place. if succeeding, open more locations and standardize the process so food quality does not decline. It takes time and hard work. No starphuching the Falafel.
Good locations sometimes have higher rents. its a trade off.

If RJ was to stay the same, and We paid IQ and kept him off the bench, would we be better?
Then we have to pay others and due them raises too. Do we get better?

Not like we broke up a contending team. Its a work in progress. I don't think we win a chip with these three. one has to ask ones self "what don't I know?"
To me, our ceiling is higher and cap flexible. No guarantee.

To me, once the other shoe drops and we sign OG to the contract he wants, we lose flexibility for good. You could argue that with IQ we would have faced the same issue, but I rather think that trading a younger dynamic scoring PG on a $20m/yr contract would have been easier than trading an older defensive specialist at the SF spot on a $35m/yr contract.
Yes, we have kept our stockpile of first rounders, but how much are they really worth? Given our FO's reluctance to add a rookie from the lower tiers of the first round, probably not much.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't OG's salary essentially replacing RJ's salary slot? When you compare tradeability, that should be your comparison. IQ salary would be on top of that.

ESOMKnicks wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:RJ is shooting 54% and 53% in 4 games with Raptors.

You believing those #s or the 42% and 34% shot over 4.5 years?

Too early to say. But if he sustains his percentages like this, it would be incontrovertible proof that our offensive schemes suck and he was not used here properly.

I think that was pretty much established when it was said he and Randle don't have chemistry and one had to go.
RJ succeeding in Toronto does not mean knicks failed with him. Knicks success hinges on OG fitting in. RJ and IQ will do well in Toronto.

foosballnick wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Nalod wrote:
OG is a great fit for what Knicks are wanting to do.

What are the Knicks wanting to do? Win a chip with the Big Three of Randle-Brunson-Anunoby?

It's like me wanting to become a billionaire by operating a falafel shop.

Knicks wanted to improve the defense and felt maybe open up the talent they already had on offense.

You should make the best falafel you can. so good the line is out the door. Then you get a bigger place. if succeeding, open more locations and standardize the process so food quality does not decline. It takes time and hard work. No starphuching the Falafel.
Good locations sometimes have higher rents. its a trade off.

If RJ was to stay the same, and We paid IQ and kept him off the bench, would we be better?
Then we have to pay others and due them raises too. Do we get better?

Not like we broke up a contending team. Its a work in progress. I don't think we win a chip with these three. one has to ask ones self "what don't I know?"
To me, our ceiling is higher and cap flexible. No guarantee.

To me, once the other shoe drops and we sign OG to the contract he wants, we lose flexibility for good. You could argue that with IQ we would have faced the same issue, but I rather think that trading a younger dynamic scoring PG on a $20m/yr contract would have been easier than trading an older defensive specialist at the SF spot on a $35m/yr contract.
Yes, we have kept our stockpile of first rounders, but how much are they really worth? Given our FO's reluctance to add a rookie from the lower tiers of the first round, probably not much.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't OG's salary essentially replacing RJ's salary slot? When you compare tradeability, that should be your comparison. IQ salary would be on top of that.

Yes! This is the key number- not how much OG will make but how much more than RJ. With RJ Randle and a center on the floor, spacing will always be an issue. Moving OG for RJ isn't just about the individual numbers. I think Knicks have got their core guys of Brunson Randle Hart and DDV and OG will be added to that group. Robinson/ iHart, Grimes and Deuce are also almost there. There's still a lot of season left- the biggest draw back I see so far are the big minutes played by our starters- sustainable in the playoffs but not really over the season. I wonder if Fournier for Burks is worth exploring as a short term fix to bring some scoring to the bench.