Knicks · Knicks look good, but now they need a new 6th man (page 13)

Alpha1971 @ 1/8/2024 12:23 PM
Rookie wrote:
martin wrote:
Rookie wrote:
martin wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
martin wrote:Atlanta fans expect Dejounte to be moved.

If it’s to the Knicks, gotta be Grimes and picks.

This is the only move I want and what I think we need.

My head agrees with you, my heart hates it.

Anybody watch the Hawks game yesterday? Murray is trash. I’d rather keep Grimes. Whatever he was, he ain’t anymore

Wow. More details? I have not really watched Murray at all this year.

He just doesn't look like difference maker to me. He can get to the basket, but teams know that's all he can do. Think RJ trying to force it in crunch time dribbling into double and triple teams except Murray is a better finisher. He may put up stats, but they are pretty empty to me. I'd rather have a player who can spread the floor like Grimes and doesn't need to have the ball in his hands to be effective. I think Grimes is also a better defender. Whenever I watch, I don't see Murray making any difference at all. It could just be because they'd rather attack other players on that team who absolutely suck at defense but I don't see Murray making any defensive plays.

Whoever the front office trades for right now, I will give them the benefit of the doubt. Their last two acquisitions, Devo and OG,earn them the trust of the fan base.

BigDaddyG @ 1/8/2024 12:24 PM
Rookie wrote:
martin wrote:
Rookie wrote:
martin wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
martin wrote:Atlanta fans expect Dejounte to be moved.

If it’s to the Knicks, gotta be Grimes and picks.

This is the only move I want and what I think we need.

My head agrees with you, my heart hates it.

Anybody watch the Hawks game yesterday? Murray is trash. I’d rather keep Grimes. Whatever he was, he ain’t anymore

Wow. More details? I have not really watched Murray at all this year.

He just doesn't look like difference maker to me. He can get to the basket, but teams know that's all he can do. Think RJ trying to force it in crunch time dribbling into double and triple teams except Murray is a better finisher. He may put up stats, but they are pretty empty to me. I'd rather have a player who can spread the floor like Grimes and doesn't need to have the ball in his hands to be effective. I think Grimes is also a better defender. Whenever I watch, I don't see Murray making any difference at all. It could just be because they'd rather attack other players on that team who absolutely suck at defense but I don't see Murray making any defensive plays.

I don't watch the Hawks on a regular basis, but I've also read that Murray isn't really good at kicking out to three point shooters. Combine that with concerns over his POA defense and I get the feeling that the idea of Murray doesn't quite fit with the reality.

BigDaddyG @ 1/8/2024 12:30 PM
nycericanguy wrote:DJM actually shooting a higher % from 3 than Grimes and on more volume/tougher shots.

Hard to make that comparison. When you adjust for minutes and possessions than Grimes is shown to shoot at a higher frequency. And they're percent is only off by .001 percent. Now, I can't speak for percentages on guarded and tightly guarded shots.

nycericanguy @ 1/8/2024 12:33 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
nycericanguy wrote:DJM actually shooting a higher % from 3 than Grimes and on more volume/tougher shots.

Hard to make that comparison. When you adjust for minutes and possessions than Grimes is shown to shoot at a higher frequency. And they're percent is only off by .001 percent. Now, I can't speak for percentages on guarded and tightly guarded shots.

i agree, but I just dont think people want to accept that DJM has really improved as a shooter.

the past 4 years he's gone from 32%, to 33, 34 and now over 38% from 3. And the impressive part is he has done so while almost tripling his makes.

So it might be time to accept that maybe he is a pretty good shooter now. I mean he's still a young player.

nycericanguy @ 1/8/2024 12:34 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Rookie wrote:
martin wrote:
Rookie wrote:
martin wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
martin wrote:Atlanta fans expect Dejounte to be moved.

If it’s to the Knicks, gotta be Grimes and picks.

This is the only move I want and what I think we need.

My head agrees with you, my heart hates it.

Anybody watch the Hawks game yesterday? Murray is trash. I’d rather keep Grimes. Whatever he was, he ain’t anymore

Wow. More details? I have not really watched Murray at all this year.

He just doesn't look like difference maker to me. He can get to the basket, but teams know that's all he can do. Think RJ trying to force it in crunch time dribbling into double and triple teams except Murray is a better finisher. He may put up stats, but they are pretty empty to me. I'd rather have a player who can spread the floor like Grimes and doesn't need to have the ball in his hands to be effective. I think Grimes is also a better defender. Whenever I watch, I don't see Murray making any difference at all. It could just be because they'd rather attack other players on that team who absolutely suck at defense but I don't see Murray making any defensive plays.

I don't watch the Hawks on a regular basis, but I've also read that Murray isn't really good at kicking out to three point shooters. Combine that with concerns over his POA defense and I get the feeling that the idea of Murray doesn't quite fit with the reality.

he averaged 9apg and was all nba defense in SA. so he obviously can do those things and I think he would under Thibs and under a more structured team. ATL has been a very poorly coached team the past 2 years. they have really underachieved considering the talent they have.

BigDaddyG @ 1/8/2024 12:43 PM
nycericanguy wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Rookie wrote:
martin wrote:
Rookie wrote:
martin wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
martin wrote:Atlanta fans expect Dejounte to be moved.

If it’s to the Knicks, gotta be Grimes and picks.

This is the only move I want and what I think we need.

My head agrees with you, my heart hates it.

Anybody watch the Hawks game yesterday? Murray is trash. I’d rather keep Grimes. Whatever he was, he ain’t anymore

Wow. More details? I have not really watched Murray at all this year.

He just doesn't look like difference maker to me. He can get to the basket, but teams know that's all he can do. Think RJ trying to force it in crunch time dribbling into double and triple teams except Murray is a better finisher. He may put up stats, but they are pretty empty to me. I'd rather have a player who can spread the floor like Grimes and doesn't need to have the ball in his hands to be effective. I think Grimes is also a better defender. Whenever I watch, I don't see Murray making any difference at all. It could just be because they'd rather attack other players on that team who absolutely suck at defense but I don't see Murray making any defensive plays.

I don't watch the Hawks on a regular basis, but I've also read that Murray isn't really good at kicking out to three point shooters. Combine that with concerns over his POA defense and I get the feeling that the idea of Murray doesn't quite fit with the reality.

he averaged 9apg and was all nba defense in SA. so he obviously can do those things and I think he would under Thibs and under a more structured team. ATL has been a very poorly coached team the past 2 years. they have really underachieved considering the talent they have.

Counter point: That Spurs team was trash and Quin Snyder is one of the better offensive coaches in the league. Anyone can put up numbers with high usage.

nycericanguy @ 1/8/2024 12:51 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
nycericanguy wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Rookie wrote:
martin wrote:
Rookie wrote:
martin wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
martin wrote:Atlanta fans expect Dejounte to be moved.

If it’s to the Knicks, gotta be Grimes and picks.

This is the only move I want and what I think we need.

My head agrees with you, my heart hates it.

Anybody watch the Hawks game yesterday? Murray is trash. I’d rather keep Grimes. Whatever he was, he ain’t anymore

Wow. More details? I have not really watched Murray at all this year.

He just doesn't look like difference maker to me. He can get to the basket, but teams know that's all he can do. Think RJ trying to force it in crunch time dribbling into double and triple teams except Murray is a better finisher. He may put up stats, but they are pretty empty to me. I'd rather have a player who can spread the floor like Grimes and doesn't need to have the ball in his hands to be effective. I think Grimes is also a better defender. Whenever I watch, I don't see Murray making any difference at all. It could just be because they'd rather attack other players on that team who absolutely suck at defense but I don't see Murray making any defensive plays.

I don't watch the Hawks on a regular basis, but I've also read that Murray isn't really good at kicking out to three point shooters. Combine that with concerns over his POA defense and I get the feeling that the idea of Murray doesn't quite fit with the reality.

he averaged 9apg and was all nba defense in SA. so he obviously can do those things and I think he would under Thibs and under a more structured team. ATL has been a very poorly coached team the past 2 years. they have really underachieved considering the talent they have.

Counter point: That Spurs team was trash and Quin Snyder is one of the better offensive coaches in the league. Anyone can put up numbers with high usage.

They went 34-48 that season, that's not a bottom feeder.

Thibs is one of the best defensive coaches as well.

and yes but not everyone can do it while shooting 47/38/83. If RJ had those shooting splits he'd get the key to NYC...lol. He also did it against MIA in the playoffs who pretty much shut down our entire team aside from Brunson.

KnickDanger @ 1/8/2024 12:55 PM
Alpha1971 wrote:
Rookie wrote:
martin wrote:
Rookie wrote:
martin wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
martin wrote:Atlanta fans expect Dejounte to be moved.

If it’s to the Knicks, gotta be Grimes and picks.

This is the only move I want and what I think we need.

My head agrees with you, my heart hates it.

Anybody watch the Hawks game yesterday? Murray is trash. I’d rather keep Grimes. Whatever he was, he ain’t anymore

Wow. More details? I have not really watched Murray at all this year.

He just doesn't look like difference maker to me. He can get to the basket, but teams know that's all he can do. Think RJ trying to force it in crunch time dribbling into double and triple teams except Murray is a better finisher. He may put up stats, but they are pretty empty to me. I'd rather have a player who can spread the floor like Grimes and doesn't need to have the ball in his hands to be effective. I think Grimes is also a better defender. Whenever I watch, I don't see Murray making any difference at all. It could just be because they'd rather attack other players on that team who absolutely suck at defense but I don't see Murray making any defensive plays.

Whoever the front office trades for right now, I will give them the benefit of the doubt. Their last two acquisitions, Devo and OG,earn them the trust of the fan base.

Going backwards...OG...DDV...JHart...IHart...BRUNSON! Not to mention draft night moves (pants wetted at the time) that brought cap space for Brunson and those #1's in the bag. After the EF and Kemba quagmires they've been on a pretty good roll.

Chandler @ 1/8/2024 2:26 PM

I have been wondering about DJM with big question mark being his fit/chemistry

My Boston friends though are high on Brogdon because of smarts and clutch play. Not as sexy but might be wiser pick

EwingPSD @ 1/8/2024 2:39 PM
Chandler wrote:
I have been wondering about DJM with big question mark being his fit/chemistry

My Boston friends though are high on Brogdon because of smarts and clutch play. Not as sexy but might be wiser pick

He's a better basketball player. He's also hurt a lot.

Alpha1971 @ 1/8/2024 5:50 PM
KnickDanger wrote:
Alpha1971 wrote:
Rookie wrote:
martin wrote:
Rookie wrote:
martin wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
martin wrote:Atlanta fans expect Dejounte to be moved.

If it’s to the Knicks, gotta be Grimes and picks.

This is the only move I want and what I think we need.

My head agrees with you, my heart hates it.

Anybody watch the Hawks game yesterday? Murray is trash. I’d rather keep Grimes. Whatever he was, he ain’t anymore

Wow. More details? I have not really watched Murray at all this year.

He just doesn't look like difference maker to me. He can get to the basket, but teams know that's all he can do. Think RJ trying to force it in crunch time dribbling into double and triple teams except Murray is a better finisher. He may put up stats, but they are pretty empty to me. I'd rather have a player who can spread the floor like Grimes and doesn't need to have the ball in his hands to be effective. I think Grimes is also a better defender. Whenever I watch, I don't see Murray making any difference at all. It could just be because they'd rather attack other players on that team who absolutely suck at defense but I don't see Murray making any defensive plays.

Whoever the front office trades for right now, I will give them the benefit of the doubt. Their last two acquisitions, Devo and OG,earn them the trust of the fan base.

Going backwards...OG...DDV...JHart...IHart...BRUNSON! Not to mention draft night moves (pants wetted at the time) that brought cap space for Brunson and those #1's in the bag. After the EF and Kemba quagmires they've been on a pretty good roll.

I am judging the front office fairly. They have made good moves and also traded for Cam, signed Kemba, Fournier, and kept Noel and Burke's which ended up forcing us to make trades to get cap space for Brunson, I won't revisit the bad. Not to mention pass up on Haliburton. While they are doing good, I will give them props, let them keep going, maybe they figured it out so I will trust them for now to make the next move correctly

GustavBahler @ 1/8/2024 5:51 PM
Nalod wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Nalod wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Brunson has already been hurt once playing in garbage time this season

Thankfully it wasnt serious, but it was moronic to keep JB in the game. Thibs has been doing this going back to the Bulls. But hey we won last night! Who cares if a player's career gets wrecked because a coach is too insecure to trust his bench? Again, Brunson has already been hurt once this season in garbage time.

Speaking of the bench, as swishfm alluded to, those garbage minutes could be spent giving young bench players experience in high pressure situations. JB and Randle holding a 20pt+ lead with 3,4 minutes on the clock isnt a high pressure situation, but it is for young players who have little to no experience closing an NBA game. They dont want to be bench players forever, and garbage time is an opportunity for bench players to show they can handle more responsibility if called upon. And be ready if called upon.

Its also about how they do in practice. But the opportunities for young players to learn by doing are limited. Always playing your stars in garbage time limits their opportunities even more.

Thats two good reasons why Thibs shouldnt play his best players in garbage time. Im happy about a blowout against a lotto team, but not about this.

What I highlighted are your words. If its a high pressure situation, its not garbage.
There is a low probability they get hurt but if you must you'll keep scraping to find reasons.
If for some reason that bench dump starts to blow a lead and you have to bring your starters back in, then its far more probable they will get hurt.
Gustav vs 2 time COY Thibs on this subject. You the man!!!

And Nalod said the same thing about Phil, Rambis (one of the worst coaches in NBA history) You've flacked for some God awful coaches and execs. Then admitted they werent all that in NY, long after the fact.

You're right, I'm not a player. I dont vote for Thibs every year as the coach players want to play for the least. Why? Cause Gustav wrote some mean things about Thibs on a message board? Im all for team spirit, not cult-like behavior Nalod.

Your deflecting like my son used to at age 14. Winning an argument becomes more important then the facts.

We all say some funny things in our years here. I defended my stance on Phil many times as "He had good ideas that did not execute".
What is there to defend. The record on the court speaks for itself then as in now.

those garbage minutes could be spent giving young bench players experience in high pressure situations.

Sorry you can't see the humor in that statement because you are so intent on being that guy who is right.

Your son sounds more mature than you are. You've spent the better part of your time here, not talking hoops, but insulting other posters who talk about hoops. Thats all you're here for.

I remember you taking the same condescending tone when I said that Fisher leaving the team for a cross country booty call was a big deal

Typical Nalod, you assured everyone that Phil (cause you know him so well) didnt care. Guess what? Phil did care and that was mentioned as a big reason for his firing. Look it up.

All you do here is insult people just for having a different opinion. you single out posters for abuse, without adding anything germain to the discussion.

Let your son have your account, I get the feeling he isnt the fucking child you are.

That trade Brunson thread was the first time Ive ever read anything that involved you expressing something other than the FO company line. Only took 20 years and how many posts?

Alpha1971 @ 1/8/2024 5:54 PM
EwingPSD wrote:
Chandler wrote:
I have been wondering about DJM with big question mark being his fit/chemistry

My Boston friends though are high on Brogdon because of smarts and clutch play. Not as sexy but might be wiser pick

He's a better basketball player. He's also hurt a lot.

Wouldn't mind either player. Brogdon might not require Grimes in the deal. Plus Portland has so many picks incoming we might be able to give them a pick in 2026 or 2027. If we kept Grimes that be great

nycericanguy @ 1/8/2024 5:56 PM
Alpha1971 wrote:
EwingPSD wrote:
Chandler wrote:
I have been wondering about DJM with big question mark being his fit/chemistry

My Boston friends though are high on Brogdon because of smarts and clutch play. Not as sexy but might be wiser pick

He's a better basketball player. He's also hurt a lot.

Wouldn't mind either player. Brogdon might not require Grimes in the deal. Plus Portland has so many picks incoming we might be able to give them a pick in 2026 or 2027. If we kept Grimes that be great

Even if Brogdon took ALL of Grimes minutes that still only puts him around 20mpg, so he likely takes Deuce's as well.

If we're going to take those two out of the rotation let it be for a young guy at least who has a chance to be here long term. Brogdon ain't that.

if we're going to bring in someone else to take mins from Grimes after finally alleviating the logjam, we might as well trade him as that signals we don't believe in him to me.

martin @ 1/8/2024 6:36 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
Nalod wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Nalod wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Brunson has already been hurt once playing in garbage time this season

Thankfully it wasnt serious, but it was moronic to keep JB in the game. Thibs has been doing this going back to the Bulls. But hey we won last night! Who cares if a player's career gets wrecked because a coach is too insecure to trust his bench? Again, Brunson has already been hurt once this season in garbage time.

Speaking of the bench, as swishfm alluded to, those garbage minutes could be spent giving young bench players experience in high pressure situations. JB and Randle holding a 20pt+ lead with 3,4 minutes on the clock isnt a high pressure situation, but it is for young players who have little to no experience closing an NBA game. They dont want to be bench players forever, and garbage time is an opportunity for bench players to show they can handle more responsibility if called upon. And be ready if called upon.

Its also about how they do in practice. But the opportunities for young players to learn by doing are limited. Always playing your stars in garbage time limits their opportunities even more.

Thats two good reasons why Thibs shouldnt play his best players in garbage time. Im happy about a blowout against a lotto team, but not about this.

What I highlighted are your words. If its a high pressure situation, its not garbage.
There is a low probability they get hurt but if you must you'll keep scraping to find reasons.
If for some reason that bench dump starts to blow a lead and you have to bring your starters back in, then its far more probable they will get hurt.
Gustav vs 2 time COY Thibs on this subject. You the man!!!

And Nalod said the same thing about Phil, Rambis (one of the worst coaches in NBA history) You've flacked for some God awful coaches and execs. Then admitted they werent all that in NY, long after the fact.

You're right, I'm not a player. I dont vote for Thibs every year as the coach players want to play for the least. Why? Cause Gustav wrote some mean things about Thibs on a message board? Im all for team spirit, not cult-like behavior Nalod.

Your deflecting like my son used to at age 14. Winning an argument becomes more important then the facts.

We all say some funny things in our years here. I defended my stance on Phil many times as "He had good ideas that did not execute".
What is there to defend. The record on the court speaks for itself then as in now.

those garbage minutes could be spent giving young bench players experience in high pressure situations.

Sorry you can't see the humor in that statement because you are so intent on being that guy who is right.

Your son sounds more mature than you are. You've spent the better part of your time here, not talking hoops, but insulting other posters who talk about hoops. Thats all you're here for.

I remember you taking the same condescending tone when I said that Fisher leaving the team for a cross country booty call was a big deal

Typical Nalod, you assured everyone that Phil (cause you know him so well) didnt care. Guess what? Phil did care and that was mentioned as a big reason for his firing. Look it up.

All you do here is insult people just for having a different opinion. you single out posters for abuse, without adding anything germain to the discussion.

Let your son have your account, I get the feeling he isnt the fucking child you are.

That trade Brunson thread was the first time Ive ever read anything that involved you expressing something other than the FO company line. Only took 20 years and how many posts?

Jesus you’re a big baby

GustavBahler @ 1/8/2024 6:50 PM
martin wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Nalod wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Nalod wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Brunson has already been hurt once playing in garbage time this season

Thankfully it wasnt serious, but it was moronic to keep JB in the game. Thibs has been doing this going back to the Bulls. But hey we won last night! Who cares if a player's career gets wrecked because a coach is too insecure to trust his bench? Again, Brunson has already been hurt once this season in garbage time.

Speaking of the bench, as swishfm alluded to, those garbage minutes could be spent giving young bench players experience in high pressure situations. JB and Randle holding a 20pt+ lead with 3,4 minutes on the clock isnt a high pressure situation, but it is for young players who have little to no experience closing an NBA game. They dont want to be bench players forever, and garbage time is an opportunity for bench players to show they can handle more responsibility if called upon. And be ready if called upon.

Its also about how they do in practice. But the opportunities for young players to learn by doing are limited. Always playing your stars in garbage time limits their opportunities even more.

Thats two good reasons why Thibs shouldnt play his best players in garbage time. Im happy about a blowout against a lotto team, but not about this.

What I highlighted are your words. If its a high pressure situation, its not garbage.
There is a low probability they get hurt but if you must you'll keep scraping to find reasons.
If for some reason that bench dump starts to blow a lead and you have to bring your starters back in, then its far more probable they will get hurt.
Gustav vs 2 time COY Thibs on this subject. You the man!!!

And Nalod said the same thing about Phil, Rambis (one of the worst coaches in NBA history) You've flacked for some God awful coaches and execs. Then admitted they werent all that in NY, long after the fact.

You're right, I'm not a player. I dont vote for Thibs every year as the coach players want to play for the least. Why? Cause Gustav wrote some mean things about Thibs on a message board? Im all for team spirit, not cult-like behavior Nalod.

Your deflecting like my son used to at age 14. Winning an argument becomes more important then the facts.

We all say some funny things in our years here. I defended my stance on Phil many times as "He had good ideas that did not execute".
What is there to defend. The record on the court speaks for itself then as in now.

those garbage minutes could be spent giving young bench players experience in high pressure situations.

Sorry you can't see the humor in that statement because you are so intent on being that guy who is right.

Your son sounds more mature than you are. You've spent the better part of your time here, not talking hoops, but insulting other posters who talk about hoops. Thats all you're here for.

I remember you taking the same condescending tone when I said that Fisher leaving the team for a cross country booty call was a big deal

Typical Nalod, you assured everyone that Phil (cause you know him so well) didnt care. Guess what? Phil did care and that was mentioned as a big reason for his firing. Look it up.

All you do here is insult people just for having a different opinion. you single out posters for abuse, without adding anything germain to the discussion.

Let your son have your account, I get the feeling he isnt the fucking child you are.

That trade Brunson thread was the first time Ive ever read anything that involved you expressing something other than the FO company line. Only took 20 years and how many posts?

Jesus you’re a big baby

All the years he's singled out posters and did nothing but insult them. You've said nothing. Not once.

Which means you must enjoy it. You really want to talk about maturity Martin?

Alpha1971 @ 1/8/2024 6:53 PM
nycericanguy wrote:
Alpha1971 wrote:
EwingPSD wrote:
Chandler wrote:
I have been wondering about DJM with big question mark being his fit/chemistry

My Boston friends though are high on Brogdon because of smarts and clutch play. Not as sexy but might be wiser pick

He's a better basketball player. He's also hurt a lot.

Wouldn't mind either player. Brogdon might not require Grimes in the deal. Plus Portland has so many picks incoming we might be able to give them a pick in 2026 or 2027. If we kept Grimes that be great

Even if Brogdon took ALL of Grimes minutes that still only puts him around 20mpg, so he likely takes Deuce's as well.

If we're going to take those two out of the rotation let it be for a young guy at least who has a chance to be here long term. Brogdon ain't that.

if we're going to bring in someone else to take mins from Grimes after finally alleviating the logjam, we might as well trade him as that signals we don't believe in him to me.

Keep in mind the front office and Thibs drafted Deuce and Grimes. They know Deuce and Grimes personally and have invested time in them. If the front office is willing to trade them or cut their minutes as a result of a trade, why are you so worried about it ? They are trying to win and improve the team.

martin @ 1/8/2024 6:56 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
martin wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Nalod wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Nalod wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Brunson has already been hurt once playing in garbage time this season

Thankfully it wasnt serious, but it was moronic to keep JB in the game. Thibs has been doing this going back to the Bulls. But hey we won last night! Who cares if a player's career gets wrecked because a coach is too insecure to trust his bench? Again, Brunson has already been hurt once this season in garbage time.

Speaking of the bench, as swishfm alluded to, those garbage minutes could be spent giving young bench players experience in high pressure situations. JB and Randle holding a 20pt+ lead with 3,4 minutes on the clock isnt a high pressure situation, but it is for young players who have little to no experience closing an NBA game. They dont want to be bench players forever, and garbage time is an opportunity for bench players to show they can handle more responsibility if called upon. And be ready if called upon.

Its also about how they do in practice. But the opportunities for young players to learn by doing are limited. Always playing your stars in garbage time limits their opportunities even more.

Thats two good reasons why Thibs shouldnt play his best players in garbage time. Im happy about a blowout against a lotto team, but not about this.

What I highlighted are your words. If its a high pressure situation, its not garbage.
There is a low probability they get hurt but if you must you'll keep scraping to find reasons.
If for some reason that bench dump starts to blow a lead and you have to bring your starters back in, then its far more probable they will get hurt.
Gustav vs 2 time COY Thibs on this subject. You the man!!!

And Nalod said the same thing about Phil, Rambis (one of the worst coaches in NBA history) You've flacked for some God awful coaches and execs. Then admitted they werent all that in NY, long after the fact.

You're right, I'm not a player. I dont vote for Thibs every year as the coach players want to play for the least. Why? Cause Gustav wrote some mean things about Thibs on a message board? Im all for team spirit, not cult-like behavior Nalod.

Your deflecting like my son used to at age 14. Winning an argument becomes more important then the facts.

We all say some funny things in our years here. I defended my stance on Phil many times as "He had good ideas that did not execute".
What is there to defend. The record on the court speaks for itself then as in now.

those garbage minutes could be spent giving young bench players experience in high pressure situations.

Sorry you can't see the humor in that statement because you are so intent on being that guy who is right.

Your son sounds more mature than you are. You've spent the better part of your time here, not talking hoops, but insulting other posters who talk about hoops. Thats all you're here for.

I remember you taking the same condescending tone when I said that Fisher leaving the team for a cross country booty call was a big deal

Typical Nalod, you assured everyone that Phil (cause you know him so well) didnt care. Guess what? Phil did care and that was mentioned as a big reason for his firing. Look it up.

All you do here is insult people just for having a different opinion. you single out posters for abuse, without adding anything germain to the discussion.

Let your son have your account, I get the feeling he isnt the fucking child you are.

That trade Brunson thread was the first time Ive ever read anything that involved you expressing something other than the FO company line. Only took 20 years and how many posts?

Jesus you’re a big baby

All the years he's singled out posters and did nothing but insult them. You've said nothing. Not once.

Which means you must enjoy it. You really want to talk about maturity Martin?

Not with you. Zero interest.

technomaster @ 1/8/2024 7:07 PM
Regarding Brogdon:
I was under the impression he's got old knees and is always hobbled or on injury maintenance (or injured altogether) come playoff time. But maybe my perception is wrong.

I think he's a great piece when looking at his size and numbers. But at the same time, my vision of a 6th man is a bit of a lightning rod that heats up fast and causes mayhem on the court. I think we already have that sort of ability in DiVincenzo and may have some of that in McBride as well. Heck, Achiuwa comes with that as well (though reports from Toronto always say he's a bit overzealous on offense)

Alpha1971 @ 1/8/2024 7:15 PM
technomaster wrote:Regarding Brogdon:
I was under the impression he's got old knees and is always hobbled or on injury maintenance (or injured altogether) come playoff time. But maybe my perception is wrong.

I think he's a great piece when looking at his size and numbers. But at the same time, my vision of a 6th man is a bit of a lightning rod that heats up fast and causes mayhem on the court. I think we already have that sort of ability in DiVincenzo and may have some of that in McBride as well. Heck, Achiuwa comes with that as well (though reports from Toronto always say he's a bit overzealous on offense)

No perfect players for us to acquire. I'm good with either Brogdon or Murray and maybe some other players as well.

Rookie @ 1/8/2024 7:33 PM
technomaster wrote:Regarding Brogdon:
I was under the impression he's got old knees and is always hobbled or on injury maintenance (or injured altogether) come playoff time. But maybe my perception is wrong.

I think he's a great piece when looking at his size and numbers. But at the same time, my vision of a 6th man is a bit of a lightning rod that heats up fast and causes mayhem on the court. I think we already have that sort of ability in DiVincenzo and may have some of that in McBride as well. Heck, Achiuwa comes with that as well (though reports from Toronto always say he's a bit overzealous on offense)

I bet we can pry a young player from Detroit. They could use control of their pick. We liked Ivy in the draft. Fournier, Detroits 1st, our 1st for Ivy and Burks.

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