This is going to be a “boring” offseason for the Knicks. I expect them to bring back their top 8 players (Brunson, Randle, OG, Donte, hart, Hartenstein, Mitch and deuce) plus Sims on his cheap deal. Then it’s all about filling out the roster with draft picks and cheap help. I think the draft will be our busy time, then it will be a lowkey summer. Bogey is the biggest question mark. I think he’s either used in a deal prior to his full contract guarantee or the Knicks let him go. He’s very expensive and Knicks can easily avoid the first apron without him. They can simply retain both Burks and Achiuwa for less total dollars than bogey will cost to retain. Just a guess though. Maybe they don’t care. Either way it will be good to bring back this entire group plus hopefully have 2-3 rookies on the roster to watch develop, which this team needs. They have been excellent at drafting later in the draft (IQ, grimes, deuce, sims) when they have actually drafted. The culture is set and player development is there.
BigDaddyG wrote:
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Logic dictates he resigns.
Knixkik wrote:This is going to be a “boring” offseason for the Knicks. I expect them to bring back their top 8 players (Brunson, Randle, OG, Donte, hart, Hartenstein, Mitch and deuce) plus Sims on his cheap deal. Then it’s all about filling out the roster with draft picks and cheap help. I think the draft will be our busy time, then it will be a lowkey summer. Bogey is the biggest question mark. I think he’s either used in a deal prior to his full contract guarantee or the Knicks let him go. He’s very expensive and Knicks can easily avoid the first apron without him. They can simply retain both Burks and Achiuwa for less total dollars than bogey will cost to retain. Just a guess though. Maybe they don’t care. Either way it will be good to bring back this entire group plus hopefully have 2-3 rookies on the roster to watch develop, which this team needs. They have been excellent at drafting later in the draft (IQ, grimes, deuce, sims) when they have actually drafted. The culture is set and player development is there.
I would be okay with that. Granted we have a window to try net a guy before the cap becomes an issue. But looking around the league. I don't see the guy that's available to be had that is able to put us over the hump. Us completely healthy is a pretty damn good team.
9 man rotation:
IHart/Mitch
Randle/OG
OG/Bojan
DDV/Hart
Brunson/Mcbride
-I think Sims is out. Can get a player with better impact at the draft with more offensive upside. Plus need better coverage for Mitch injury issues.(Edey? Dickinson?)
-Need a Forward that can sit behind Bojan being groomed to take over for him after this season. Can slide in if Bojan becomes often inj at his age for next season.
HofstraBBall wrote:martin wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:martin wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:shinmen wrote:Read that OG will be exploring free agency and will listen to other team's offers. I really hope it's just to avoid tampering charges when we sign him 10 mn after free agency starts. Him leaving for nothing would be catastrophic.
Can't tamper with yourself...I think.
Hold my beer
Prior to the OG trade, I mentioned my only concern regarding trading for OG.
My thinking was that it seemed OG wanted out of Toronto because he wanted a bigger role.
Wants to be a 1A somewhere. Which would not be the case here with JB and Randle.
And of course the cost of his upcoming deal.
I would love to run it back but feel that will be tough with the cost projected to keep everyone.
Including OG.
Unlike some who feel the path is to give up draft capital for guys like Bridges or DM, I feel the only path may be to use the draft picks to find someone in this years draft who can be a solid value contributor. Which will leave enough salary space to sign guys like OG and IHart. Not to mention, leave money for extending JB. I am hoping Rose bundles draft picks to move up, is able to resign OG and goes and finds a couple more value FAs. Which he is very good at doing.
Knicks can absolutely keep everyone core. They'll just be up against the second apron and then some different types of decisions need to be made.
Rose and the Knicks have shown hesitancy going into the first or second apron. Cost includes restrictions placed to teams in either apron. Second tier gives less flexibility for trades if the original plan gets foiled due to injury or because players drop in production. One thing is for sure. If they resign “everyone” they will be in the apron. As much as I want to “run it back with everyone ”, my gut is that Rose knows that certain role players can be had to replace the production of guys like Ihart, Precious and Burks. As for our big three. Hope rumors are true about OG. That along with extending JB and Randle will signal Roses feeling on those three being enough to win a chip. Which I think is a good take. A take that can always be abandoned in a couple of years if proven to be a wrong one.
I’ll agree with pretty much everything you’ve said but just think the Knicks know they are in the hunt and different types of decisions will be made because of that.
IMHO they should be viewing themselves as a strong EFC level team and they prob do.
The Knicks can bring everyone back and still be just under the second apron, may have to shave one small edge.
Guy on WFAN right now proposing Knicks trade Bojan, 2 1st round picks, a 2nd rounder for Nikola Vucevic. Let Hartenstein walk. Resign OG. Thoughts?
nychamp wrote:Guy on WFAN right now proposing Knicks trade Bojan, 2 1st round picks, a 2nd rounder for Nikola Vucevic. Let Hartenstein walk. Resign OG. Thoughts?
Let your mama walk.
Sorry, I don't know what came over me. 
newyorknewyork wrote:Knixkik wrote:This is going to be a “boring” offseason for the Knicks. I expect them to bring back their top 8 players (Brunson, Randle, OG, Donte, hart, Hartenstein, Mitch and deuce) plus Sims on his cheap deal. Then it’s all about filling out the roster with draft picks and cheap help. I think the draft will be our busy time, then it will be a lowkey summer. Bogey is the biggest question mark. I think he’s either used in a deal prior to his full contract guarantee or the Knicks let him go. He’s very expensive and Knicks can easily avoid the first apron without him. They can simply retain both Burks and Achiuwa for less total dollars than bogey will cost to retain. Just a guess though. Maybe they don’t care. Either way it will be good to bring back this entire group plus hopefully have 2-3 rookies on the roster to watch develop, which this team needs. They have been excellent at drafting later in the draft (IQ, grimes, deuce, sims) when they have actually drafted. The culture is set and player development is there.
I would be okay with that. Granted we have a window to try net a guy before the cap becomes an issue. But looking around the league. I don't see the guy that's available to be had that is able to put us over the hump. Us completely healthy is a pretty damn good team.
9 man rotation:
IHart/Mitch
Randle/OG
OG/Bojan
DDV/Hart
Brunson/Mcbride
-I think Sims is out. Can get a player with better impact at the draft with more offensive upside. Plus need better coverage for Mitch injury issues.(Edey? Dickinson?)
-Need a Forward that can sit behind Bojan being groomed to take over for him after this season. Can slide in if Bojan becomes often inj at his age for next season.
Sims is cheap and was drafted by this group so I’d be surprised if they let him go. If they want center coverage, Edey, Ware or Holmes are all possibilities that might be there at 24/25. For a bogey replacement either now or in the future, Scheierman is an option as a backup wing shooter/ scorer.
nychamp wrote:Guy on WFAN right now proposing Knicks trade Bojan, 2 1st round picks, a 2nd rounder for Nikola Vucevic. Let Hartenstein walk. Resign OG. Thoughts?
Was that guy the GM for Chicago?
nychamp wrote:Guy on WFAN right now proposing Knicks trade Bojan, 2 1st round picks, a 2nd rounder for Nikola Vucevic. Let Hartenstein walk. Resign OG. Thoughts?
Why do I never hear anything smart from WFAN? I don't listen to the radio but every clip from that station is so bad. Vucevic is the opposite of a Thibs player. He will never get time here.
I was checking in on a Raptor forum and they were really worried about us for some reason. I started reading and they are thinking we could sign quick to an overpay contract with out MLE to either drive up the price for them or tofill out our backup PG.
It is something I never thought of but I doubt we do it. Quick was not really happy playing in a backup role. So sooner or later he will start to cause trouble for us.
Clean wrote:I was checking in on a Raptor forum and they were really worried about us for some reason. I started reading and they are thinking we could sign quick to an overpay contract with out MLE to either drive up the price for them or tofill out our backup PG. It is something I never thought of but I doubt we do it. Quick was not really happy playing in a backup role. So sooner or later he will start to cause trouble for us.
If it was possible to get Quick back we would certainly do it. He would be the third guard and play 30 mins a night. I realistically doubt it but if possible why not ? He would sign on to the contract in this scenario so why would he then complain about the role he willingly chose to take in this scenario ?
Clean wrote:I was checking in on a Raptor forum and they were really worried about us for some reason. I started reading and they are thinking we could sign quick to an overpay contract with out MLE to either drive up the price for them or tofill out our backup PG. It is something I never thought of but I doubt we do it. Quick was not really happy playing in a backup role. So sooner or later he will start to cause trouble for us.
Are we thinking he is only getting the MLE?
EwingsGlass wrote:Clean wrote:I was checking in on a Raptor forum and they were really worried about us for some reason. I started reading and they are thinking we could sign quick to an overpay contract with out MLE to either drive up the price for them or tofill out our backup PG. It is something I never thought of but I doubt we do it. Quick was not really happy playing in a backup role. So sooner or later he will start to cause trouble for us.
Are we thinking he is only getting the MLE?
Anyone have any idea what the Mle would be this offseason? I am not even going to pretend I have any idea. If it is less than 30 a year no chance he would sign it.
MLE starts around $12m, I think IQ could end up getting over $30m. A team like ORL could use really use him with his shooting and defense to add to their core. I could see them throwing $35m per at him and forcing TOR to match.
No chance we make an offer to IQ.
I wasn't able to watch Sims the few times he played, but given the frontline injury losses we had, he should've been able to break into some kind of emergency rotation of 5 minutes a night. I know he is still young (at 25?), but is the main issue with him being a slow motor, lack of skills or limited basketball IQ? Or maybe that's the reason he went 58th.
Unless he's shown growth in the last 3 years, then maybe he's not really meant for this team.
Knixkik wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Knixkik wrote:This is going to be a “boring” offseason for the Knicks. I expect them to bring back their top 8 players (Brunson, Randle, OG, Donte, hart, Hartenstein, Mitch and deuce) plus Sims on his cheap deal. Then it’s all about filling out the roster with draft picks and cheap help. I think the draft will be our busy time, then it will be a lowkey summer. Bogey is the biggest question mark. I think he’s either used in a deal prior to his full contract guarantee or the Knicks let him go. He’s very expensive and Knicks can easily avoid the first apron without him. They can simply retain both Burks and Achiuwa for less total dollars than bogey will cost to retain. Just a guess though. Maybe they don’t care. Either way it will be good to bring back this entire group plus hopefully have 2-3 rookies on the roster to watch develop, which this team needs. They have been excellent at drafting later in the draft (IQ, grimes, deuce, sims) when they have actually drafted. The culture is set and player development is there.
I would be okay with that. Granted we have a window to try net a guy before the cap becomes an issue. But looking around the league. I don't see the guy that's available to be had that is able to put us over the hump. Us completely healthy is a pretty damn good team.
9 man rotation:
IHart/Mitch
Randle/OG
OG/Bojan
DDV/Hart
Brunson/Mcbride
-I think Sims is out. Can get a player with better impact at the draft with more offensive upside. Plus need better coverage for Mitch injury issues.(Edey? Dickinson?)
-Need a Forward that can sit behind Bojan being groomed to take over for him after this season. Can slide in if Bojan becomes often inj at his age for next season.
Sims is cheap and was drafted by this group so I’d be surprised if they let him go. If they want center coverage, Edey, Ware or Holmes are all possibilities that might be there at 24/25. For a bogey replacement either now or in the future, Scheierman is an option as a backup wing shooter/ scorer.
Clean wrote:nychamp wrote:Guy on WFAN right now proposing Knicks trade Bojan, 2 1st round picks, a 2nd rounder for Nikola Vucevic. Let Hartenstein walk. Resign OG. Thoughts?
Why do I never hear anything smart from WFAN? I don't listen to the radio but every clip from that station is so bad. Vucevic is the opposite of a Thibs player. He will never get time here.
WFAN replaced Francesa and Beningo with Evan Roberts
EwingsGlass wrote:Clean wrote:I was checking in on a Raptor forum and they were really worried about us for some reason. I started reading and they are thinking we could sign quick to an overpay contract with out MLE to either drive up the price for them or tofill out our backup PG. It is something I never thought of but I doubt we do it. Quick was not really happy playing in a backup role. So sooner or later he will start to cause trouble for us.
Are we thinking he is only getting the MLE?
I think IQ can get more on the open market. There’s a lot of respect out there for him
Clean wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Clean wrote:I was checking in on a Raptor forum and they were really worried about us for some reason. I started reading and they are thinking we could sign quick to an overpay contract with out MLE to either drive up the price for them or tofill out our backup PG. It is something I never thought of but I doubt we do it. Quick was not really happy playing in a backup role. So sooner or later he will start to cause trouble for us.
Are we thinking he is only getting the MLE?
Anyone have any idea what the Mle would be this offseason? I am not even going to pretend I have any idea. If it is less than 30 a year no chance he would sign it.
It’s going to be around $13 mil for the first season of the contract to go on for 4 years total with 5% salary increases. The crazy new nba tv contract may change that though
Philc1 wrote:Clean wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Clean wrote:I was checking in on a Raptor forum and they were really worried about us for some reason. I started reading and they are thinking we could sign quick to an overpay contract with out MLE to either drive up the price for them or tofill out our backup PG. It is something I never thought of but I doubt we do it. Quick was not really happy playing in a backup role. So sooner or later he will start to cause trouble for us.
Are we thinking he is only getting the MLE?
Anyone have any idea what the Mle would be this offseason? I am not even going to pretend I have any idea. If it is less than 30 a year no chance he would sign it.
It’s going to be around $13 mil for the first season of the contract to go on for 4 years total with 5% salary increases. The crazy new nba tv contract may change that though
Won't be any big changes with the new contract because the players have already agreed to limit the year on year increase to 10%. This is because during the last jump a lot of guys who hit free agency that year, like Mozgov, signed huge deals while the guys who hit the year before or later got screwed.
The only guys it makes a big difference for are max guys who get paid a percentage of the cap rather than a guaranteed amount. Those guys will see 10% raises going forward.
I'm not sure what happens with the extra money. I imagine it's held in escrow. It's possible that between organic growth and the new contracts, there's a 10% increase every year going forward.
Saw on social media that the Knicks are prepared to offer iHart 4/72 and OG 4/140-160.
DLeethal wrote:Saw on social media that the Knicks are prepared to offer iHart 4/72 and OG 4/140-160.
Good number for IHart. Good pay day for OG.
So many options in FA.
