LivingLegend wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:nycericanguy wrote:VDesai wrote:If you listen to that KFS Cap or no Cap they wind up spending a ton of time talking about the Knicks potentially making a move for Isaac Okoro for a mid-level or S&T. Intellectually it makes sense as he's a wing defender who can approximate the role of OG when OG is out. Okoro also shot well from 3 last year and on catch and shoots from the Corner. This is all well and good, but I just think he sucks. When you don't put a defender on him when it matters he can't knock down shots.Now one player they kind of skip over, but I think makes sense for the 8-12 min backup role behind Brunson is Cam Payne. He can run an offense and he can knock down a 3 despite his weird lefty shot. He is a pest and probably makes sense for a small role.
nice, glad to see he's on our radar. I like him and Royce O'neal as MLE options.
Okoru does kind of suck, especially in big games, but he can help during the season, plays a ton of games, and maybe has some upside.
He's a good guy to be OG insurance. When OG is healthy that guy might not even play. When OG is hurt he probably gets thrust into a sizable role. Hard to find guys who fit that scenario where you don't have to play them every night but they can do a good job being OG-lite when they do play for stretches. Okoro makes sense. I think rookies also make sense for that role.
or Frank...
Frank can defend multiple positions, and I think he can hit an open 3 better on this team that actually moves the ball. and he's fine being a 12th man. and of course he's vet min. plus he can handle the ball a bit too.
Curious where frank pops up next year if at all in the NBA.
Aside, the rise of the French and Canadian players is really quite interesting.
That CHina, with a BILLON more people have yet to build on the popularity of Yao Ming.
THe NBA Acadamy in Africa is also producing opportunities. David Sterns vision of a global game is coming to light over time. Rise in revenue is a big factor. Global growth and new revenue streams are impressive.
Frank, Knox, Frank Williams, Lampe, Milos and of course Rokas are all welcome!
Funny we stopped talking about Rokas?
Frank is really going to be great one day but still 3 seasons from being 3 seasons away.
Not impossible. It took Exum some time overseas, but he eventually came back.
KnickDanger wrote:Panos wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Wishing Frank the best, I was in his camp although I never understood why there had to be such a wide gap between wanting, hoping, maybe even expecting him to do well as opposed to being a...ahem...Frank hater sucking it. Clearly he did not pan out - my question would be how much due to injuries, the New York spotlight, or in my book an awful team with worse coaching. Of course ultimately it's up to him and he couldn't put it together. I still think the obsessive dislike for him was Phil residue. Anyway, it's all been said but that doesn't stop us from saying it again...and again....
I don't think there was obsessive dislike for him. He just plainly sucked for an 8th pick. It was pretty clear. Zero offensive game. Was supposed to be a PG, couldn't initiate an offense AT ALL.
Of course there was obsessive dislike for him. Although my theory is its misplaced Phil hate.
It's not "dislike/hate" if he objectively sucked. It's just facts not emotion.
Did I miss something? Does he not suck?
Is he going to Serbia for the latkes?
Panos wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Panos wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Wishing Frank the best, I was in his camp although I never understood why there had to be such a wide gap between wanting, hoping, maybe even expecting him to do well as opposed to being a...ahem...Frank hater sucking it. Clearly he did not pan out - my question would be how much due to injuries, the New York spotlight, or in my book an awful team with worse coaching. Of course ultimately it's up to him and he couldn't put it together. I still think the obsessive dislike for him was Phil residue. Anyway, it's all been said but that doesn't stop us from saying it again...and again....
I don't think there was obsessive dislike for him. He just plainly sucked for an 8th pick. It was pretty clear. Zero offensive game. Was supposed to be a PG, couldn't initiate an offense AT ALL.
Of course there was obsessive dislike for him. Although my theory is its misplaced Phil hate.
It's not "dislike/hate" if he objectively sucked. It's just facts not emotion.
Did I miss something? Does he not suck?
Is he going to Serbia for the latkes?
It’s just facts not emotion. Good one!
My bad for jumping into the mud. But who will be the next whipping boy I wonder….
good trade for CHI, Giddy is a really good young player
with CHI blowing it up, Derozan becomes more of an option. Could be an MLE target for us, or even a S&T where we send back Mitch to CHI.
I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I don't think re-signing OG is a total lock. I think there are other potential options out there. Let's just say I wouldn't be shocked if something else developed.
jaydh wrote:nycericanguy wrote:good trade for CHI, Giddy is a really good young player
yup it was a steal
I am on the other side here. I think OKC won this deal. Caruso is a great All-NBA defender. Chicago should have asked for a 1st rounder as well.
NYKBocker wrote:jaydh wrote:nycericanguy wrote:good trade for CHI, Giddy is a really good young player
yup it was a steal
I am on the other side here. I think OKC won this deal. Caruso is a great All-NBA defender. Chicago should have asked for a 1st rounder as well.
I think both teams got what they need. Bulls are in different place needing to get younger and balance a roster.
OKC needs more grit. Lets revisit this in a few years when we know what Giddy became and how OKC faired in Caruso's over 30 years as a player.
With slew of picks and youngins OKC made a good move for them.
I don't know where they are with iHart in though process but they can make a trade for a sidekick 5 for Chet if they need to.
Whats nuts is they can sign PG13 and bring it full circle with Shai and the picks!!!!
NYKBocker wrote:jaydh wrote:nycericanguy wrote:good trade for CHI, Giddy is a really good young player
yup it was a steal
I am on the other side here. I think OKC won this deal. Caruso is a great All-NBA defender. Chicago should have asked for a 1st rounder as well.
its a Win/win... OKC got what they needed too, a piece that fits them better and they are flush with young talent. But people acting like CHI got fleeced are nuts, Giddy in a vacuum is a much better player/asset than a 31 year old oft injured Caruso.
Colby White was finally playing up to his draft slot. not sure why they're looking for a pg unless they see Giddy coming off the bench or changing positions eg sf
Giddy would scare me. Not sure where his head is at. Seems like he's more into his hairdo than being a professional.
Not a big Caruso fan or at least not as big a fan as many. I give him credit for playing D and being gritty but i was always left with the impression that any success he had on D or O is because the opponent did not take him seriously enough -- for example, as opposed to Caruso imposing his will on the game, so to speak
plus the guy was the spokesmand for a specialty shaver to shave your junk. ewww
I actually think Chicago doesn't blow it up. Giddey effectively replaces Lonzo. They were a top 6 team with Lonzo. Coby White is more of a scorer and can stay at off guard. I think they try to keep Derozan and look to ship off Lavine - but if Derozan skips town they can roll it back with Lavine at SF.
Giddey is still 21 and has been a triple double machine already. The Thunder took the strategy of loading up with young talent regardless of position to see who might flourish. Now Giddey is a bit of an odd man out, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have star potential. To get him for a guy like Caruso - although a very valuable role player, is a no brainer for a middling team like Chicago, who basically just got back a 21 yr old core piece.
VDesai wrote:I actually think Chicago doesn't blow it up. Giddey effectively replaces Lonzo. They were a top 6 team with Lonzo. Coby White is more of a scorer and can stay at off guard. I think they try to keep Derozan and look to ship off Lavine - but if Derozan skips town they can roll it back with Lavine at SF.Giddey is still 21 and has been a triple double machine already. The Thunder took the strategy of loading up with young talent regardless of position to see who might flourish. Now Giddey is a bit of an odd man out, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have star potential. To get him for a guy like Caruso - although a very valuable role player, is a no brainer for a middling team like Chicago, who basically just got back a 21 yr old core piece.
But they are trying to blow it up. They have contacted 15 teams for Lavine and have no takers
TheMTL wrote:VDesai wrote:I actually think Chicago doesn't blow it up. Giddey effectively replaces Lonzo. They were a top 6 team with Lonzo. Coby White is more of a scorer and can stay at off guard. I think they try to keep Derozan and look to ship off Lavine - but if Derozan skips town they can roll it back with Lavine at SF.Giddey is still 21 and has been a triple double machine already. The Thunder took the strategy of loading up with young talent regardless of position to see who might flourish. Now Giddey is a bit of an odd man out, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have star potential. To get him for a guy like Caruso - although a very valuable role player, is a no brainer for a middling team like Chicago, who basically just got back a 21 yr old core piece.
But they are trying to blow it up. They have contacted 15 teams for Lavine and have no takers
Right, plus their pick in upcoming 2025 draft is top 10 protected, so they may be inclined to lean a certain Dallas circa 2023 kind of way.
Hearing smoke around Knicks haven't heavy interest in Goga Bitadze. Feel he is similar to IHart in which he has strong analytics especially defensively with the low mins he's played. Would be a Mitch &/or Ihart replacement if Mitch was moved or Ihart signed elsewhere.
newyorknewyork wrote:Hearing smoke around Knicks haven't heavy interest in Goga Bitadze. Feel he is similar to IHart in which he has strong analytics especially defensively with the low mins he's played. Would be a Mitch &/or Ihart replacement if Mitch was moved or Ihart signed elsewhere.
Could totally see this as a back plan thing for a deep playoff team.
This is another guy the Knicks would target if they had the room and need
I noticed all these rumors going around but I am not worried about OG an iHart at all. I have more faith in our frontoffce that they would not trade for OG before knowing what it would take to sign him and being ok with the amount.
On ihart it is known that he instantly goes home to houston after the season ends but he did not go to houston until 1 to 2 weeks later this time. Pretty obvious they were negotiating his new deal even though they were not allowed to. So they will do as much as possible to make it not obvious.
nycericanguy wrote:NYKBocker wrote:jaydh wrote:nycericanguy wrote:good trade for CHI, Giddy is a really good young player
yup it was a steal
I am on the other side here. I think OKC won this deal. Caruso is a great All-NBA defender. Chicago should have asked for a 1st rounder as well.
its a Win/win... OKC got what they needed too, a piece that fits them better and they are flush with young talent. But people acting like CHI got fleeced are nuts, Giddy in a vacuum is a much better player/asset than a 31 year old oft injured Caruso.
I wouldn't say 'much better player.' I think Caruso is better now. Better defensively, better shooter and provides no off-court distractions. Giddy has upside, but he still has parts of his gamebthat need to develop. His defense needs to level up. I'm not sure if he can ever develop enough physically, but he can definitely think the game better on that end. But the biggest thing is that he needs to shoot better.
CHI trade was a win win until further notice. OKC gets another defender to pair with Dort. Helps them against Kyrie and Luka and gives them multiple All NBA defenders at someone like Ant Edwards. Giddy didn't fit anymore as a non shooter playing off ball.
Giddy could be lightning in a bottle though, worth the swing for Chicago.
Giddey is 21 and in a funny place as the team developed sort of with him, then around him. His body strength and type at this age is yet to be determined. His long range shooting has improved each year to 33% which is not awful, but not in that elite place in the upper 30's. Nobody here can pin what he will be. Caruso by contrast did not hit the league until 23 and did not avg more than 21 minute per until he left LA he was 27! Upside? Gordan Haywood. (Got to do comps of white guys to other white guys).
Remember, Jimmy Butler and many other players don't hit it until about 25. Might not be fair, but its a tough business!
Giddy. Caruso really does not play big minutes, which is perfect for OKC and their depth. My opinion is Caruso reputation is a bit bloated while Giddy's more undermined given his playoff reduction and some shooting issues he had this year. Both teams have many more moves they can make before we can fully see what they project to play.
Same for knicks, they are super quiet and so many possibilities its numbing to what might happen this offseason. Stands to say we might not like it until proven on the court. Seems to be fan thing. Find something to get angry about and be lead by the media.
