SupremeCommander wrote:One option I don't think that is being discussed enough is if we can't get trade for a big star, and we resign everyone, I think it might be a good year to package some picks together and move up in the draft. I think there are a few good wing prospects, not great but solid. Considering that everyone thinks this draft is suspect, maybe it would make sense to package our three picks and move up to draft Dalton Knecht, Cody Williams, Matas Buzelis, or Ronald Holland... I doubt we could get Zaccharie Risacher but maybe? I mean, this year is 'weak' but it appears to have a lot of prospects that could theoretically fit a need for us
Agreed, we need to be very careful messing with this roster. That January run was special stuff. Bucks go to show you how tinkering to add a star can backfire. I don't think there are many trade scenarios where we can end up better than simply bringing all of our guys back and add to the depth. Leveraging the draft to add talent we can groom slowly and use as emergency depth is a no brainer though, and maybe trading up for one guy we love is the move.
DLeethal@ 5/21/2024 12:32 PM
Looks like Brunson is willing to sign 4 yr/156M extension this year and forego potential 5 year/270M extension next year.
martin@ 5/21/2024 12:42 PM
gradyandrew wrote:
martin wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:
martin wrote:Or, why would you give up an all NBA guy for one who is not? And also toss in a pick?
In 25-26 Randle has a player option vs Bridges who is fully understand contract. The idea is Knicks toss in a pick to compensate for Randle potentially leaving or resigning at a higher number.
That's not how any of this works
How about Terry Rozier for Kyle Lowry and a 1st?
I get your point that Randle has more accolades than Bridges but can we at least agree that it's debatable who the better player is. Bridges wins out in efficiency and availability, Randle as a do it all hub- more points, rebounds, and assists. But who cares?
We can agree that both are on valuable, below market deals. And we can agree that Bridges goes a year longer, at least if we assume Randle will opt out of his player option.
I will not debate this because it would be a colossal waste of time.
The Knicks would never exchange Randle for Mikal straight up, they would demand lots and lots of picks in addition to Mikal, as would any GM with an IQ above say 80.
martin@ 5/21/2024 12:43 PM
DLeethal wrote:Looks like Brunson is willing to sign 4 yr/156M extension this year and forego potential 5 year/270M extension next year.
This would also help to perhaps keep OG and Randle in that range.
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I'd go as far as saying that if Brunson signed this type of contract, he prob already has the leverage to demand that Leon do whatever is humanly possible to get Mikal on the team without touching its core players. And leverage is the wrong word, maybe it's gentleman's agreement between the 2 of them that the Knicks next trade target with all the picks for this exchange - be it this year or next or the following - will be Mikal.
Got to.
martin wrote:
DLeethal wrote:Looks like Brunson is willing to sign 4 yr/156M extension this year and forego potential 5 year/270M extension next year.
This would also help to perhaps keep OG and Randle in that range.
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martin wrote:I'd go as far as saying that if Brunson signed this type of contract, he prob already has the leverage to demand that Leon do whatever is humanly possible to get Mikal on the team without touching its core players. And leverage is the wrong word, maybe it's gentleman's agreement between the 2 of them that the Knicks next trade target with all the picks for this exchange - be it this year or next or the following - will be Mikal.
Got to.
martin wrote:
DLeethal wrote:Looks like Brunson is willing to sign 4 yr/156M extension this year and forego potential 5 year/270M extension next year.
This would also help to perhaps keep OG and Randle in that range.
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Either that or he’s setting the tone for the rest of the guys to resign for reasonable contracts.
DLeethal@ 5/21/2024 1:39 PM
Knicks hired his dad and traded for/signed his best friends he might just be repaying the favor also. Either way it shows great simpatico between star and FO.
martin@ 5/21/2024 1:45 PM
DLeethal wrote:Either that or he’s setting the tone for the rest of the guys to resign for reasonable contracts.
For sure, but he would also get a handshake on going after Mikal. Got to, Leon would owe him even after he gave Rick a good old pay raise too
MS@ 5/21/2024 2:00 PM
Never a doubt he would do that. Leads from the front.
Post game comments and getting out of the car for the fans was a 12.
Honestly, hard to tell anyone to turn money down, but he owns the city, he will deliver a championship and he’s playing with his best friends. He wants to win, all the guys making 50-60MM destroy the team. The endorsements are coming and you decide what’s important.
Leon, Thibs are like family and playing for your Dad is awesome!
OG your up baby!!!
VDesai@ 5/21/2024 2:40 PM
If Brunson is willing to take the 4/156 extension this year we gotta get that thing signed. He deserves any amount of max money and it makes all the sense in the world for him to wait for 5/270 if that's possible for him - and I wouldn't blame him at all for doing that.
Chandler@ 5/21/2024 2:49 PM
martin wrote:I'd go as far as saying that if Brunson signed this type of contract, he prob already has the leverage to demand that Leon do whatever is humanly possible to get Mikal on the team without touching its core players. And leverage is the wrong word, maybe it's gentleman's agreement between the 2 of them that the Knicks next trade target with all the picks for this exchange - be it this year or next or the following - will be Mikal.
Got to.
martin wrote:
DLeethal wrote:Looks like Brunson is willing to sign 4 yr/156M extension this year and forego potential 5 year/270M extension next year.
This would also help to perhaps keep OG and Randle in that range.
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it's also leading by example, hoping OG and iHart realize they are on the verge of something special
OR they can squeeze out bottom dollar and never experience the real joy of being a basketball god in NYC
Chandler@ 5/21/2024 2:51 PM
martin wrote:
DLeethal wrote:Either that or he’s setting the tone for the rest of the guys to resign for reasonable contracts.
For sure, but he would also get a handshake on going after Mikal. Got to, Leon would owe him even after he gave Rick a good old pay raise too
makes some sense but what happens to Randle at 4 and OG at 3? does one of them go to bench
martin@ 5/21/2024 2:59 PM
Chandler wrote:
martin wrote:
DLeethal wrote:Either that or he’s setting the tone for the rest of the guys to resign for reasonable contracts.
For sure, but he would also get a handshake on going after Mikal. Got to, Leon would owe him even after he gave Rick a good old pay raise too
makes some sense but what happens to Randle at 4 and OG at 3? does one of them go to bench
DDV does.
Or fuck it, Mikal got to
Chandler@ 5/21/2024 3:10 PM
martin wrote:
Chandler wrote:
martin wrote:
DLeethal wrote:Either that or he’s setting the tone for the rest of the guys to resign for reasonable contracts.
For sure, but he would also get a handshake on going after Mikal. Got to, Leon would owe him even after he gave Rick a good old pay raise too
makes some sense but what happens to Randle at 4 and OG at 3? does one of them go to bench
DDV does.
Or fuck it, Mikal got to
can mikal guard 2s? We need someone other than JB to handle the ball from time to time.
martin@ 5/21/2024 3:29 PM
Chandler wrote:
martin wrote:
Chandler wrote:
martin wrote:
DLeethal wrote:Either that or he’s setting the tone for the rest of the guys to resign for reasonable contracts.
For sure, but he would also get a handshake on going after Mikal. Got to, Leon would owe him even after he gave Rick a good old pay raise too
makes some sense but what happens to Randle at 4 and OG at 3? does one of them go to bench
DDV does.
Or fuck it, Mikal got to
can mikal guard 2s? We need someone other than JB to handle the ball from time to time.
Mikal is an elite wing defender capable of guarding 1-3 easily. I think he would struggle with big, strong 3's and 4's but I am not that familiar with him. He is the slight-built version of OG in a wirey 6'6" frame.
martin@ 5/21/2024 3:31 PM
No idea what Rokas would demand in terms of a contract but here are 2nd round draft numbers that you don't need cap space. I think this applies to him.
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That leaves two teams. New York's Bird Rights dilemma lines up perfectly for the Thunder to try to swipe Hartenstein. Oklahoma City can create roughly $35 million in cap space, but because of their impending extensions for Chet Holmgren and Jalen Williams, the Thunder probably don't want to hand out a long-term deal. That creates a logical deal structure here: The Thunder could offer Hartenstein a two-year deal with an inflated short-term salary that the Knicks couldn't match, but would allow Hartenstein to reenter free agency in 2026, when he is still only 28. Even if the Knicks give Hartenstein the biggest four-year deal they can, the gap in guaranteed money wouldn't necessarily be enormous, and it would force Hartenstein to wait until he was 29 or 30 to reenter free agency.
Rookie@ 5/21/2024 4:12 PM
martin wrote:I'd go as far as saying that if Brunson signed this type of contract, he prob already has the leverage to demand that Leon do whatever is humanly possible to get Mikal on the team without touching its core players. And leverage is the wrong word, maybe it's gentleman's agreement between the 2 of them that the Knicks next trade target with all the picks for this exchange - be it this year or next or the following - will be Mikal.
Got to.
martin wrote:
DLeethal wrote:Looks like Brunson is willing to sign 4 yr/156M extension this year and forego potential 5 year/270M extension next year.
This would also help to perhaps keep OG and Randle in that range.
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