Knicks · Villanova Knicks Complete: NY lands Mikal (page 13)

newyorknewyork @ 6/26/2024 12:10 PM
Garrett2010PSD wrote:
nycericanguy wrote:
Garrett2010PSD wrote:
nycericanguy wrote:DET just renounced Wiseman also...

Would love Wiseman on the Knicks.

I don't know our cap situation but couldn't we use an exception on him?

yes can't imagine he'd command much.

[Sidery] The Pistons will soon renounce James Wiseman making him an unrestricted free agent. Instead of giving Wiseman a 1-year qualifying offer, Detroit prefers to clear more cap space. The former No. 2 overall pick will be an intriguing buy-low option on the veteran’s minimum market.

I would jump all over that. Low risk, high reward.

Andre Drummond/ DeAndre Jordan could be other vet min ring chasing backup big options.

MaddogSharp @ 6/26/2024 12:12 PM
If we win I don’t care but those later unprotected picks scare me if we aren’t still contending and are struggling. But like I said if we win a title I can live with it
Garrett2010PSD @ 6/26/2024 12:14 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
Garrett2010PSD wrote:
nycericanguy wrote:
Garrett2010PSD wrote:
nycericanguy wrote:DET just renounced Wiseman also...

Would love Wiseman on the Knicks.

I don't know our cap situation but couldn't we use an exception on him?

yes can't imagine he'd command much.

[Sidery] The Pistons will soon renounce James Wiseman making him an unrestricted free agent. Instead of giving Wiseman a 1-year qualifying offer, Detroit prefers to clear more cap space. The former No. 2 overall pick will be an intriguing buy-low option on the veteran’s minimum market.

I would jump all over that. Low risk, high reward.

Andre Drummond/ DeAndre Jordan could be other vet min ring chasing backup big options.

I would take Drummond definitely. Not sure what Jordan has left though.

martin @ 6/26/2024 12:16 PM
Garrett2010PSD wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
Garrett2010PSD wrote:
nycericanguy wrote:
Garrett2010PSD wrote:
nycericanguy wrote:DET just renounced Wiseman also...

Would love Wiseman on the Knicks.

I don't know our cap situation but couldn't we use an exception on him?

yes can't imagine he'd command much.

[Sidery] The Pistons will soon renounce James Wiseman making him an unrestricted free agent. Instead of giving Wiseman a 1-year qualifying offer, Detroit prefers to clear more cap space. The former No. 2 overall pick will be an intriguing buy-low option on the veteran’s minimum market.

I would jump all over that. Low risk, high reward.

Andre Drummond/ DeAndre Jordan could be other vet min ring chasing backup big options.

I would take Drummond definitely. Not sure what Jordan has left though.

Right, plus Jordan and Joker are tight.

martin @ 6/26/2024 12:17 PM
Whoa is this right?

JesseDark @ 6/26/2024 12:21 PM
I see the east as:

1 Celtics
2 Knicks
3 Philly
4 Indiana
5 Bucks
6 Cleveland
7 Orlando
8 Miami

nycericanguy @ 6/26/2024 12:27 PM
JesseDark wrote:I see the east as:

1 Celtics
2 Knicks
3 Philly
4 Indiana
5 Bucks
6 Cleveland
7 Orlando
8 Miami

If we had OG and Randle I think we had a decent shot at beating BOS this year.

Now add Mikal and I think we're right there with them. KP is the wildcard, who knows whats going on with him healthwise.

ToddTT @ 6/26/2024 12:29 PM
JesseDark wrote:I see the east as:

1 Celtics
2 Knicks
3 Philly
4 Indiana
5 Bucks
6 Cleveland
7 Orlando
8 Miami

You need glasses.

martin @ 6/26/2024 12:31 PM
And mostly without Mitch too

martin @ 6/26/2024 12:32 PM
JesseDark wrote:I see the east as:

1 Celtics
2 Knicks
3 Philly
4 Indiana
5 Bucks
6 Cleveland
7 Orlando
8 Miami

Where you all see Knicks league wide?

Panos @ 6/26/2024 12:40 PM
fishmike wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
nycericanguy wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:This is a GREAT trade!

OG was a great fit for the Knicks but paying 35-40 million for an oft injured, 3rd option, would have been insane.

The picks, at the very least the first 2, would be high FRP.

Love this trade for the Knicks.

Now, if the Knicks are indeed moving on from OG, lets all hope he doesn't land in Philly

No way you let OG walk. This move was made putting all the chips on the table. Letting OG walk after the price you just paid for Mikal with down the line draft picks would be insane. You pay OG his $40mil, get the chip or 2, then trade him when Mikal & Randle extensions start to kick in.

why would you trade OG instead of just letting Randle walk who will be 32 then and declining.

I think if Brunson signs the cheaper extension now, which I think he will, we won't have any issue keeping this team together.

The only player who needs to take LESS is OG Anunoby.

Asking Brunson to take a discount just because they got an old college teammate to run with his is asinine.

Asking a two time All-NBA player and multiple All-Star to take a discount, is asinine.

We go after players like Melo because we believe all he cared about was money but for some odd reason, OG gets a pass.
(if all rumors are true)


OG was a great fit for the Knicks and Bridges will be JUST AS GOOD. I think some of us are focusing too much on these draft picks. Draft picks are a crap shoot (See RJ, Quickley, Grimes, Toppin) and the chances of getting a player of Bridges caliber are slim to none.

OG is getting paid. He's not giving a discount. He's a high impact player who gets hurt alot. He's 26. This is the time he's getting paid and that's fine. I do believe Randle/Brunson will both take team friendlier deal but time will tell.

Get ready for 5/$200mm for OG. It's fine.

My god what rotation Leon has handed to Thibs. We have a legit multi-year window for a title here with nobody aging out. The only concern is paying guys in the future and how that plays out. Lovely problem to have.

We will see how center plays out. IHart's best thing is availability. He can always play. I think his passing isnt missed w/ Randle coming back and being a primary ball handler.


Sorry at those numbers for OG, I pass.
You are going to pay your 3rd or arguably 4th (Bridges 3rd?) best player $40M per year? He's going to pull $10M more than All-NBA Randle and Superstar MVP candidate Brunson? I just don't see it. This team is a success because players have bought in to team-first possibility of growing into a champion, and if OG thinks $30M/year is not enough for him, I don't think there is room for that. Sorry.

nycericanguy @ 6/26/2024 12:42 PM
Panos wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
nycericanguy wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:This is a GREAT trade!

OG was a great fit for the Knicks but paying 35-40 million for an oft injured, 3rd option, would have been insane.

The picks, at the very least the first 2, would be high FRP.

Love this trade for the Knicks.

Now, if the Knicks are indeed moving on from OG, lets all hope he doesn't land in Philly

No way you let OG walk. This move was made putting all the chips on the table. Letting OG walk after the price you just paid for Mikal with down the line draft picks would be insane. You pay OG his $40mil, get the chip or 2, then trade him when Mikal & Randle extensions start to kick in.

why would you trade OG instead of just letting Randle walk who will be 32 then and declining.

I think if Brunson signs the cheaper extension now, which I think he will, we won't have any issue keeping this team together.

The only player who needs to take LESS is OG Anunoby.

Asking Brunson to take a discount just because they got an old college teammate to run with his is asinine.

Asking a two time All-NBA player and multiple All-Star to take a discount, is asinine.

We go after players like Melo because we believe all he cared about was money but for some odd reason, OG gets a pass.
(if all rumors are true)


OG was a great fit for the Knicks and Bridges will be JUST AS GOOD. I think some of us are focusing too much on these draft picks. Draft picks are a crap shoot (See RJ, Quickley, Grimes, Toppin) and the chances of getting a player of Bridges caliber are slim to none.

OG is getting paid. He's not giving a discount. He's a high impact player who gets hurt alot. He's 26. This is the time he's getting paid and that's fine. I do believe Randle/Brunson will both take team friendlier deal but time will tell.

Get ready for 5/$200mm for OG. It's fine.

My god what rotation Leon has handed to Thibs. We have a legit multi-year window for a title here with nobody aging out. The only concern is paying guys in the future and how that plays out. Lovely problem to have.

We will see how center plays out. IHart's best thing is availability. He can always play. I think his passing isnt missed w/ Randle coming back and being a primary ball handler.


Sorry at those numbers for OG, I pass.

thats more or less what he's getting. pass for what? To make Dolan richer? We have his bird rights, we cant use the cap anywhere else.

No way we let OG go now, this is the ALL IN move.

newyorknewyork @ 6/26/2024 12:45 PM
If we can secure Jonas Valanciuenas for full mid level as an IHart replacement. The cypher would be complete.

Still use the draft picks for the backup or starting C of the future in 2-3 years.

firefly @ 6/26/2024 12:46 PM
DLeethal wrote:I think the idea we overpaid is kind of off base. If someone traded a really good young player and 3 firsts nobody would blink. Knicks traded a bunch of late picks and a potentially iffy one 7 years from now and gave up no players at all. Also paid the Hudson River tax. Still not a massive overpay.

And another thing, a bunch of late firsts have FAR less value than even just one lottery pick.

EwingPSD @ 6/26/2024 12:51 PM
Panos wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
nycericanguy wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:This is a GREAT trade!

OG was a great fit for the Knicks but paying 35-40 million for an oft injured, 3rd option, would have been insane.

The picks, at the very least the first 2, would be high FRP.

Love this trade for the Knicks.

Now, if the Knicks are indeed moving on from OG, lets all hope he doesn't land in Philly

No way you let OG walk. This move was made putting all the chips on the table. Letting OG walk after the price you just paid for Mikal with down the line draft picks would be insane. You pay OG his $40mil, get the chip or 2, then trade him when Mikal & Randle extensions start to kick in.

why would you trade OG instead of just letting Randle walk who will be 32 then and declining.

I think if Brunson signs the cheaper extension now, which I think he will, we won't have any issue keeping this team together.

The only player who needs to take LESS is OG Anunoby.

Asking Brunson to take a discount just because they got an old college teammate to run with his is asinine.

Asking a two time All-NBA player and multiple All-Star to take a discount, is asinine.

We go after players like Melo because we believe all he cared about was money but for some odd reason, OG gets a pass.
(if all rumors are true)


OG was a great fit for the Knicks and Bridges will be JUST AS GOOD. I think some of us are focusing too much on these draft picks. Draft picks are a crap shoot (See RJ, Quickley, Grimes, Toppin) and the chances of getting a player of Bridges caliber are slim to none.

OG is getting paid. He's not giving a discount. He's a high impact player who gets hurt alot. He's 26. This is the time he's getting paid and that's fine. I do believe Randle/Brunson will both take team friendlier deal but time will tell.

Get ready for 5/$200mm for OG. It's fine.

My god what rotation Leon has handed to Thibs. We have a legit multi-year window for a title here with nobody aging out. The only concern is paying guys in the future and how that plays out. Lovely problem to have.

We will see how center plays out. IHart's best thing is availability. He can always play. I think his passing isnt missed w/ Randle coming back and being a primary ball handler.


Sorry at those numbers for OG, I pass.
You are going to pay your 3rd or arguably 4th (Bridges 3rd?) best player $40M per year? He's going to pull $10M more than All-NBA Randle and Superstar MVP candidate Brunson? I just don't see it. This team is a success because players have bought in to team-first possibility of growing into a champion, and if OG thinks $30M/year is not enough for him, I don't think there is room for that. Sorry.


They win because they have good players. No one makes it to the NBA without practicing, caring about winning, etc.
OG makes this team a contender.

Garrett2010PSD @ 6/26/2024 12:55 PM
nycericanguy wrote:
Panos wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
nycericanguy wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:This is a GREAT trade!

OG was a great fit for the Knicks but paying 35-40 million for an oft injured, 3rd option, would have been insane.

The picks, at the very least the first 2, would be high FRP.

Love this trade for the Knicks.

Now, if the Knicks are indeed moving on from OG, lets all hope he doesn't land in Philly

No way you let OG walk. This move was made putting all the chips on the table. Letting OG walk after the price you just paid for Mikal with down the line draft picks would be insane. You pay OG his $40mil, get the chip or 2, then trade him when Mikal & Randle extensions start to kick in.

why would you trade OG instead of just letting Randle walk who will be 32 then and declining.

I think if Brunson signs the cheaper extension now, which I think he will, we won't have any issue keeping this team together.

The only player who needs to take LESS is OG Anunoby.

Asking Brunson to take a discount just because they got an old college teammate to run with his is asinine.

Asking a two time All-NBA player and multiple All-Star to take a discount, is asinine.

We go after players like Melo because we believe all he cared about was money but for some odd reason, OG gets a pass.
(if all rumors are true)


OG was a great fit for the Knicks and Bridges will be JUST AS GOOD. I think some of us are focusing too much on these draft picks. Draft picks are a crap shoot (See RJ, Quickley, Grimes, Toppin) and the chances of getting a player of Bridges caliber are slim to none.

OG is getting paid. He's not giving a discount. He's a high impact player who gets hurt alot. He's 26. This is the time he's getting paid and that's fine. I do believe Randle/Brunson will both take team friendlier deal but time will tell.

Get ready for 5/$200mm for OG. It's fine.

My god what rotation Leon has handed to Thibs. We have a legit multi-year window for a title here with nobody aging out. The only concern is paying guys in the future and how that plays out. Lovely problem to have.

We will see how center plays out. IHart's best thing is availability. He can always play. I think his passing isnt missed w/ Randle coming back and being a primary ball handler.


Sorry at those numbers for OG, I pass.

thats more or less what he's getting. pass for what? To make Dolan richer? We have his bird rights, we cant use the cap anywhere else.

No way we let OG go now, this is the ALL IN move.

Yeah you can't give up all those draft picks for Bridges then let OG leave.

We must keep OG.

EwingPSD @ 6/26/2024 12:58 PM
firefly wrote:
DLeethal wrote:I think the idea we overpaid is kind of off base. If someone traded a really good young player and 3 firsts nobody would blink. Knicks traded a bunch of late picks and a potentially iffy one 7 years from now and gave up no players at all. Also paid the Hudson River tax. Still not a massive overpay.

And another thing, a bunch of late firsts have FAR less value than even just one lottery pick.

Come on. The Knicks overpaid based on market value. They just don't care and they shouldn't. This often happens on teams trying to go from really good to great. For example, the Bucks overpaid for Jrue based on market value. They also went and won a title. The Sixers thought Tobias Harries was important to their title hopes so they overpaid to retain him. Both teams knew they were overpaying. It doesn't look good for Philly because it didn't work but unless you want to be the grit and grind Griz or the Mark Price Cavs it is a risk teams often have to take to get to the top.

JesseDark @ 6/26/2024 1:05 PM
martin wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I see the east as:

1 Celtics
2 Knicks
3 Philly
4 Indiana
5 Bucks
6 Cleveland
7 Orlando
8 Miami

Where you all see Knicks league wide?

I gotta see how the west shakes out. Gotta figure Denver is still in first though the lost to Minnesota.

martin @ 6/26/2024 1:07 PM
JesseDark wrote:
martin wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I see the east as:

1 Celtics
2 Knicks
3 Philly
4 Indiana
5 Bucks
6 Cleveland
7 Orlando
8 Miami

Where you all see Knicks league wide?

I gotta see how the west shakes out. Gotta figure Denver is still in first though the lost to Dallas.

Knicks are right there with Denver Dallas OKC Minny to me

Rookie @ 6/26/2024 1:08 PM
EwingPSD wrote:
firefly wrote:
DLeethal wrote:I think the idea we overpaid is kind of off base. If someone traded a really good young player and 3 firsts nobody would blink. Knicks traded a bunch of late picks and a potentially iffy one 7 years from now and gave up no players at all. Also paid the Hudson River tax. Still not a massive overpay.

And another thing, a bunch of late firsts have FAR less value than even just one lottery pick.

Come on. The Knicks overpaid based on market value. They just don't care and they shouldn't. This often happens on teams trying to go from really good to great. For example, the Bucks overpaid for Jrue based on market value. They also went and won a title. The Sixers thought Tobias Harries was important to their title hopes so they overpaid to retain him. Both teams knew they were overpaying. It doesn't look good for Philly because it didn't work but unless you want to be the grit and grind Griz or the Mark Price Cavs it is a risk teams often have to take to get to the top.

Man, some of you guys. Really only 2 of the picks could be considered ‘premium’ picks and even that is a crap shoot.

firefly @ 6/26/2024 1:12 PM
EwingPSD wrote:
firefly wrote:
DLeethal wrote:I think the idea we overpaid is kind of off base. If someone traded a really good young player and 3 firsts nobody would blink. Knicks traded a bunch of late picks and a potentially iffy one 7 years from now and gave up no players at all. Also paid the Hudson River tax. Still not a massive overpay.

And another thing, a bunch of late firsts have FAR less value than even just one lottery pick.

Come on. The Knicks overpaid based on market value. They just don't care and they shouldn't. This often happens on teams trying to go from really good to great. For example, the Bucks overpaid for Jrue based on market value. They also went and won a title. The Sixers thought Tobias Harries was important to their title hopes so they overpaid to retain him. Both teams knew they were overpaying. It doesn't look good for Philly because it didn't work but unless you want to be the grit and grind Griz or the Mark Price Cavs it is a risk teams often have to take to get to the top.

I guess I just don't believe they overpaid at all. I think the market for picks in general is grossly inflated. Selling potential for actual high-level play has always been a clever trick by poor teams to try and trade for an actual good player.

The chances of a single pick developing into a servicable player is low.
Into a servicable player who impacts play immediately is even lower.
Into a player who plays better than Mikal Bridges immediately is much lower.
Having 5 chances to hit that jackpot is of course better than having just one chance, but it would not be overpaying to say we have traded for a player in exchange for the CHANCE of drafting that player at some stage in the next 7 years.

The chances of more than one of those picks in the next 7 years hitting those odds is so low as to be immaterial. Can you think of one example where a trade of picks for a high-level player turned into more than one high-level player? They are very very very rare circumstances.

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