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OMG! I watched this three times, injected 10 cc's of bleach and Ivermectin, and I'm voting for Trump! 
Josiah31 wrote:martin wrote:CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:- The DNC and in particular the Kamala insertion makes it clear that they decide who runs and not the people.The DNC and the RNC both work this way.
As a party, they both decide who will represent them. At first the DNC picked Biden, and then they changed their mind. They can do that as much as the RNC can.
After each party picks their representative, the voters of America through our electoral college (which is decidedly not the people as well) pick the winner.
Why do you not know this? This is middle school or high school level knowledge.
I'd guess you get your information from Fox News. They are they only real source pushing this false information that you have inhaled.
This is about as dumb of a take as it gets. Trump was primaried in and voted for. Harris was installed. She’s a terrible candidate that doesn’t have one single thing to hang her hat on. She’s also apart of the worst administration we have seen in a while. Only morons would continue to vote for this shit show.
There is no take.
Each party literally decides what they want to do.
RNC can do the same thing if they wanted. If you think otherwise, show us how.
Josiah31 wrote:I don’t know who the bigger idiot is. Is it dementia Joe or Kamala who can’t do a pre recorded interview without her emotional support dog, stolen valor Walz? It’s amazing these guys get your support and you continue to vote democrat even after failed polices after failed policies in your own state. It’s nuts.Integrity? You mean like how you want to vote for a candidate that allows people to kill their own babies? Yeah. Okay. You guys should be smarter then that. Killing your own babies and sterilizing your own party is going to eliminate your own base. You can’t make this stuff up.
This is America right here. Read it and weep.
martin wrote:Josiah31 wrote:I don’t know who the bigger idiot is. Is it dementia Joe or Kamala who can’t do a pre recorded interview without her emotional support dog, stolen valor Walz? It’s amazing these guys get your support and you continue to vote democrat even after failed polices after failed policies in your own state. It’s nuts.Integrity? You mean like how you want to vote for a candidate that allows people to kill their own babies? Yeah. Okay. You guys should be smarter then that. Killing your own babies and sterilizing your own party is going to eliminate your own base. You can’t make this stuff up.
This is America right here. Read it and weep.
How old are you Josiah ?
https://www.publicopiniononline.com/stor...
Trump Airlines — Trump borrowed $245 million to purchase Eastern Air Shuttle. He branded it Trump Airlines. He added gold bathroom fixtures. Two years later Trump could not cover the interest payment on his loan and defaulted.
Trump Beverages — Although Trump touted his water as "one of the purest natural spring waters bottled in the world," it was simply bottled by a third party. Other beverages, including Trump Fire and Trump Power, seem not to have made it to market. And Trump's American Pale Ale died with a trademark withdrawal.
Trump Game — Milton Bradley tried to sell it. As did Hasbro. After investment, the game died and went out of circulation.
Trump Casinos — Trump filed for bankruptcy three times on his casinos, namely the Trump Taj Mahal, the Trump Marina and the Trump Plaza in New Jersey and the Trump Casino in Indiana. Trump avoided debt obligations of $3 billion the first time. Then $1.8 billion the second time. And then after reorganizing, shuffling money and assets, and waiting four years, Trump again declared bankruptcy after missing ongoing interest payments on multi-million dollar bonds. He was finally forced to step down as chairman.
Trump Magazine — Trump Style and Trump World were renamed Trump Magazine to reap advertising dollars from his name recognition. However, Trump Magazine also went out of business.
Trump Mortgage — Trump told CNBC in 2006 that "I think it's a great time to start a mortgage company. … The real-estate market is going to be very strong for a long time to come." Then the real estate market collapsed. Trump had hired E.J. Ridings as CEO of Trump Mortgage and boasted that Ridings had been a "top executive of one of Wall Street's most prestigious investment banks." Turned out Ridings had only six months of experience as a stockbroker. Trump Mortgage closed and never paid a $298,274 judgment it owed a former employee, nor the $3,555 it owed in unpaid taxes.
Trump Steaks — Trump closed Trump Steaks due to a lack of sales while owing Buckhead Beef $715,000.
Trump's Travel Site — GoTrump.com was in business for one year. Failed.
Trumpnet — A telephone communication company that abandoned its trademark.
Trump Tower Tampa — Trump sold his name to the developers and received $2 million. Then the project went belly-up with only $3,500 left in the company. Condo buyers sued Trump for allegedly misleading them. Trump settled and paid as little as $11,115 to buyers who had lost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Trump University or the Trump Entrepreneur Initiative — Trump staged wealth-building seminars costing up to $34,995 for mentorships that would offer students access to Trump's secrets of success. Instructors turned out to be motivational speakers sometimes with criminal records. Lawsuits and criminal investigations abound.
Trump Vodka — Business failed due to a lack of sales.
Trump Fragrances — Success by Trump, Empire by Trump, and Donald Trump: The Fragrances all failed due to being discontinued, perhaps as a result of few sales.
Trump Mattress — Serta stopped offering a Trump-branded mattress, again likely due to slacking sales.
Truth Social — This existing Trump business owes big money, and may well be breathing its last.
Trump as POTUS by the numbers
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/10/trumps...
Summary
The statistics for the entirety of Donald Trump’s time in office are nearly all compiled. As we did for his predecessor four years ago, we present a final look at the numbers.The economy lost 2.7 million jobs. The unemployment rate increased by 1.7 percentage points to 6.4%.
Paychecks grew faster than inflation. Average weekly earnings for all workers were up 8.4% after inflation.
After-tax corporate profits went up, and the stock market set new records. The S&P 500 index rose 67.8%.
The international trade deficit Trump promised to reduce went up. The U.S. trade deficit in goods and services in 2020 was the highest since 2008 and increased 36.3% from 2016.
The number of people lacking health insurance rose by 3 million.
The federal debt held by the public went up, from $14.4 trillion to $21.6 trillion.
Home prices rose 27.5%, and the homeownership rate increased 2.1 percentage points to 65.8%.
Illegal immigration increased. Apprehensions at the Southwest border rose 14.7% last year compared with 2016.
Coal production declined 26.5%, and coal-mining jobs dropped by 25%. Carbon emissions from energy consumption dropped 11.3%.
Handgun production rose 12.5% last year compared with 2016, setting a new record.
The murder rate last year rose to the highest level since 1997.
Trump filled one-third of the Supreme Court, nearly 30% of the appellate court seats and a quarter of District Court seats.
Trump as a man
-Sued for discriminatory housing practices towards ppl of color
-Paid for a full page ad calling for the death penalty for the eventual exonerated 5
-3 wives, 5 children
-Was good friends for many years with sexual predator Jeffrey Epstein
-Cheated on current wife while pregnant with a porn star
-Convicted of the sexual assault of E.Jean Carroll
-Convicted of 34 felony counts
-Settled a $25 million class action lawsuit of Trump University for fraud
-Trump charity foundation ordered to pay $2 million for fraud
-Lead an insurrection on the US capital in order to stop the certification of an election he lost, which ppl died
-Hid tax returns from public and criminal inspection
-Hiding college GPA
-Dodged the draft 5 times & called US veterans losers and suckers
-Approved cuts to funding for mental health, public housing, and children’s food programs
-Shifted kids cancer charity money into his businesses
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexande...
-Narcissistic, Lustful, Gluttonous, Pathological Liar, Immature, Unaccountable
Yet people attach THE LORD to this man's name smh.
If the United States’ economy were an athlete, right now it would be peak LeBron James. If it were a pop star, it would be peak Taylor Swift. Four years ago, the pandemic temporarily brought much of the world economy to a halt. Since then, America’s economic performance has left other countries in the dust and even broken some of its own records. The growth rate is high, the unemployment rate is at historic lows, household wealth is surging, and wages are rising faster than costs, especially for the working class. There are many ways to define a good economy. America is in tremendous shape according to just about any of them.The American public doesn’t feel that way—a dynamic that many people, including me, have recently tried to explain. But if, instead of asking how people feel about the economy, we ask how it’s objectively performing, we get a very different answer.
Let’s start with economists’ favorite metric: growth. When an economy is growing, more money is being spent. More stuff is being produced, more services are being performed, more businesses are being started, more workers are being hired—and, because of this abundance, living standards are probably rising. (On the flip side, during a recession—literally, when the economy shrinks—life gets materially worse.) Right now America’s economic-growth rate is the envy of the world. From the end of 2019 to the end of 2023, U.S. GDP grew by 8.2 percent—nearly twice as fast as Canada’s, three times as fast as the European Union’s, and more than eight times as fast as the United Kingdom’s.
“It’s hard to think of a time when the U.S. economy has diverged so fundamentally from its peers,” Mark Zandi, the chief economist at Moody’s Analytics, told me. Over the past year, some of the world’s biggest economies, including those of Japan and Germany, have fallen into recession, complete with mass layoffs and angry street protests. In the U.S., however, the post-pandemic recession never arrived. The economy just keeps growing.
Still, growth is a crude measure that says very little about people’s day-to-day lives. Perhaps the right question to ask is: Are most Americans better off financially than they were before the pandemic?
One school of thought maintains that the answer is no, because of the rising cost of living. Thanks to three years of higher-than-usual inflation, just about everything costs more than it did before the pandemic.
Price increases on their own, however, can’t tell us if the cost of living has gone up. What really matters is the relationship between how expensive things are and how much money people have to spend on them. As Vox’s Eric Levitz recently pointed out, prices have increased by 1,400 percent since 1947; that doesn’t mean Americans have less buying power today than at a time when a third of the country didn’t have running water and 40 percent lived in poverty. That’s largely because incomes have increased by 2,400 percent over the same stretch. If prices go up but people’s incomes go up faster, then the cost of living decreases. And that is exactly what has happened in the U.S. over the past five years.
It took some time. When inflation was at its worst, in late 2021 and 2022, prices were rising too fast for workers’ pay to keep up. Over the course of 2023, however, the rate of inflation plummeted while wages kept rising. According to calculations by the economist Arindrajit Dube, prices rose about 20 percent from the beginning of the pandemic to the end of 2023—but the median worker’s hourly wages had increased by more than 26 percent. In other words, a dollar in 2024 might not go as far as a dollar in 2019, but today the average worker has so many more dollars that they can afford a higher quality of life.
Some experts dispute this. Loretta Mester, the president of the Cleveland Federal Reserve, recently told The New York Times that wage growth hadn’t kept pace with inflation, citing an indicator that tracks changes in compensation within particular industries. But one of the most common ways for workers to get a raise is to move between industries, from lower- to higher-paying occupations—the way someone working as a fry cook, say, might next take a job as a package-delivery driver. Basically every other measure of worker pay shows that wages adjusted for inflation are higher today than they were before the pandemic. Dube’s calculations are particularly reliable because they are based on a dataset that tracks wages for individual workers over time.
Other nations probably wish they had the luxury of debating such technicalities. From the beginning of the pandemic through the fall of 2023, the last period for which we have good comparative data, real wages in both Europe and Japan fell. In Germany, workers lost 7 percent of their purchasing power; in Italy, 9 percent. By these metrics, the only workers in the entire developed world who are meaningfully better off than they were four years ago are American ones.
Averages can conceal a lot, of course. The rise in inflation-adjusted wages, which economists call “real wages,” might not be such good news if it were flowing mostly to the already-wealthy, as it did during the recovery from the Great Recession. In fact, from 1964 through 2018, real wages for most workers hardly budged; almost all gains went to the richest Americans. In the early days of the pandemic, when millions of low-income workers found themselves suddenly out of a job, it would have been reasonable to expect the same trend to play itself out.
Instead, the opposite happened. A recent analysis from the Economic Policy Institute found that from the end of 2019 to the end of 2023, the lowest-paid decile of workers saw their wages rise four times faster than middle-class workers and more than 10 times faster than the richest decile. A recent working paper by Dube and two co-authors reached similar conclusions. Wage gains at the bottom, they found, have been so steep that they have erased a full third of the rise in wage inequality between the poorest and richest workers over the previous 40 years. This finding holds even when you account for the fact that lower-income Americans tend to spend a higher proportion of their income on the items that have experienced the largest price increases in recent years, such as food and gas. “We haven’t seen a reduction in wage inequality like this since the 1940s,” Dube told me.
Pay in America is becoming more equal along race, age, and education lines as well. The wage gap between Black and white Americans has shrunk to its lowest point since at least the 1980s. Pay for workers younger than 25 has increased twice as fast as older workers’ pay. And the so-called college wage premium—the pay gap between those with and without a college degree—has shrunk to its lowest measure in 15 years. (The gender pay gap has also narrowed slightly, but far less than the others.)
What explains this sudden boost in lower- and middle-class wages? The answer lies in the post-pandemic American labor market, which has been unbelievably strong. The unemployment rate—defined as the percentage of workers who have recently looked for a job but don’t have one—has been at or below 4 percent for more than two years, the longest streak since the 1960s. Even that understates just how good the current labor market is. Unemployment didn’t fall below 4 percent at any point during the 1970s, ’80s, or ’90s. In 1984—the year Ronald Reagan declared “It’s morning again in America”—unemployment was above 7 percent; for most of the Clinton boom of the 1990s, it was above 5 percent.
The obvious upside of low unemployment is that people who want jobs can get them. A more subtle consequence, and arguably a more important one, is a shift in power from employers to workers. When unemployment is relatively high, as it was in the years immediately following the 2008 financial crisis, more workers are competing for fewer jobs, making it easier for employers to demand higher qualifications and offer meager pay. That’s how you end up with stories about college graduates working as baristas for $7.25 an hour. But when unemployment is low and relatively few people are looking for jobs, the relationship inverts: Now employers have to compete against one another to attract workers, often by raising wages. And—this is the crucial part—these dynamics affect all workers, not just people who are out of a job.
This helps explain what happened after the pandemic. When the economy first reopened, employers suddenly had to fill millions of positions. Meanwhile, workers—flush with stimulus checks and expanded unemployment insurance—could afford to say no to bad jobs. In response, even famously low-paying companies such as Amazon, Walmart, and McDonald’s started raising wages and offering new benefits to attract employees. What was misleadingly labeled the “Great Resignation” was really more of a great reshuffling, as record numbers of workers quit a job to take a better-paying one. Over the next couple of years, as American consumers kept spending money, demand for labor stayed high. “Low-wage workers are finally getting a small taste of the bargaining power that highly paid professionals experience most of the time,” Betsey Stevenson, a labor economist at the University of Michigan, told me.
So far we’ve been talking about wages: the money people are paid by their employer. To better capture overall financial well-being, we might instead look at household wealth, which takes into account the full range of people’s debts and assets. Over the past few years, Americans have experienced the biggest surge in wealth in at least three decades.
The gold standard for research into the state of Americans’ finances is the Federal Reserve’s Survey of Consumer Finances, released every three years. The most recent report found that, from 2019 to 2022, the net worth of the median household increased by 37 percent, from about $141,000 to $192,000, adjusted for inflation. That’s the largest three-year increase on record since the Fed started issuing the report in 1989, and more than double the next-largest one on record. (According to preliminary data from the Fed, wealth continued to rise across the board in 2023.) Every single income bracket saw net worth increase considerably, but the biggest gains went to poor, middle-class, Black, Latino, and younger households, generating a slight reduction in overall wealth inequality (though not nearly as steep a reduction as the decline in wage inequality). By comparison, median household wealth actually declined by 19 percent from 2007 to 2019.An important caveat to the wealth statistics is that much of the recent increase came from the surge in home prices. A family that’s wealthier on paper might not feel rich if they would have to sell their home to realize any gains—especially if all the places they might want to move to have gotten similarly expensive.
Indeed, the out-of-control cost of housing is perhaps the biggest black mark on an otherwise excellent economy. This problem started decades ago—since the 1980s, the median U.S. home price has increased by more than 400 percent, twice as fast as incomes—and got even worse during the pandemic, as the rise of remote work prompted millions of people to seek more space. Those rising prices have collided with higher interest rates to produce the most punishing housing market in at least a generation. Would-be homeowners can’t afford to buy, and many existing homeowners feel stuck in place.
Housing is one of several crucial categories, along with child care, health care, and higher education, that have ballooned in cost in recent decades, putting a middle-class lifestyle further and further out of reach—what my colleague Annie Lowrey has called the “Great Affordability Crisis.” The past few years of high interest rates, which make borrowing money more expensive, have jacked up costs even more. And despite the recent good news, the U.S. still has lower life expectancy and much higher levels of inequality, poverty, and homelessness than other wealthy nations. For millions of people, getting by in America was a struggle before the pandemic and continues to be a struggle today.
Still, that doesn’t change the fact that the U.S. economy has had a remarkable four-year run, judged against both its own history or the international competition. A few years of good news isn’t enough to make up for 40 years of rising inequality and stagnant wages. But it’s a whole lot better than the alternative.
Damn progressive liberals with their socialism and inclusion.
If you want to prevent abortion. Making laws banning it isn't the way to do so. Side note banning contraception only leads to higher possibilities of people making babies. So why are those things attached to the laws against abortion? Answer is because its nothing more than a plan to increase a voter base. Mind you gun laws to keep children safe limited, social programs & safety nets for children defunded by GOP policies...
If you want to get to the root cause of abortion. You need to raise the quality of life, and deprogram the prejudice & bigotry within the US society. Thus people would feel more comfortable to keep that unplanned child naturally, without laws forcing them to do so.
That would fall more in line with Jesus teachings for Christians.
newyorknewyork wrote:As for abortion.If you want to prevent abortion. Making laws banning it isn't the way to do so. Side note banning contraception only leads to higher possibilities of people making babies. So why are those things attached to the laws against abortion? Answer is because its nothing more than a plan to increase a voter base. Mind you gun laws to keep children safe limited, social programs & safety nets for children defunded by GOP policies...
If you want to get to the root cause of abortion. You need to raise the quality of life, and deprogram the prejudice & bigotry within the US society. Thus people would feel more comfortable to keep that unplanned child naturally, without laws forcing them to do so.
That would fall more in line with Jesus teachings for Christians.
I am more cynical in this instance and say it’s to increase a low wage, low educated work force who has little opportunity of upward mobility. Maybe that’s the same thing as voter base or the Venn diagram is very overlapping. Just my opinion.
Opioids and zero heathcare do the same things as low regulation of toxic industries like coal, oil, gas, energy, education, finance, etc.
martin wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:As for abortion.If you want to prevent abortion. Making laws banning it isn't the way to do so. Side note banning contraception only leads to higher possibilities of people making babies. So why are those things attached to the laws against abortion? Answer is because its nothing more than a plan to increase a voter base. Mind you gun laws to keep children safe limited, social programs & safety nets for children defunded by GOP policies...
If you want to get to the root cause of abortion. You need to raise the quality of life, and deprogram the prejudice & bigotry within the US society. Thus people would feel more comfortable to keep that unplanned child naturally, without laws forcing them to do so.
That would fall more in line with Jesus teachings for Christians.
I am more cynical in this instance and say it’s to increase a low wage, low educated work force who has little opportunity of upward mobility. Maybe that’s the same thing as voter base or the Venn diagram is very overlapping. Just my opinion.
Opioids and zero heathcare do the same things as low regulation of toxic industries like coal, oil, gas, energy, education, finance, etc.
I am positive that you could attach any and every unethical reasoning to the true endgoal and it would hold true.
CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:TDS is to blame for not voting for Trump ? Boy nothing like a Trump supporter to bury their heads in the sand. A delightful bliss of ignorance is what I call it when Trump supporters choose to live in their deluded imaginations. But what's the payoff for that loyalty ?Ironic reply. Confirmation?
Your response, says nothing. But I'm not surprised. It's just a thoughtless defense mechanism meant to deflect from active introspection. If you ignore and belittle you evade active contemplation. You shut off higher reasoning which may cause cognitive dissonance from what you proclaim to be true and what actually is.
newyorknewyork wrote:As for abortion.If you want to prevent abortion. Making laws banning it isn't the way to do so. Side note banning contraception only leads to higher possibilities of people making babies. So why are those things attached to the laws against abortion? Answer is because its nothing more than a plan to increase a voter base. Mind you gun laws to keep children safe limited, social programs & safety nets for children defunded by GOP policies...
If you want to get to the root cause of abortion. You need to raise the quality of life, and deprogram the prejudice & bigotry within the US society. Thus people would feel more comfortable to keep that unplanned child naturally, without laws forcing them to do so.
That would fall more in line with Jesus teachings for Christians.
I'm a Christian and I was pro life and actually prayed in front of abortion clinics. However, don't misjudge me, we prayed quietly in cars never confronting or intimidating any employee or patient, they would not even know we were there. We prayed for people to choose life but never ever judged those who had abortions badly or even the staff for performing them. However I can attest from personal experience that many like myself who once were pro life have become more pro choice with the years. Honest people see that we have no business telling others what to do since we aren't going to pay their bills take their kids to doctors appointments fix the problems of the parents who choose to have abortions and if all these kids were born that are aborted they aren't all going to live lives happily every after. God is the judge of a soul not man. Also Jesus was a practicing Jew and the Jewish faith does not believe life begins at conception. Life begins later at 40 weeks when the soul is joined to the unborn. Islam has a similar belief. I bring that up simply to say the issue of when life begins is not universally understood by people of faith. I certainly would encourage a mother to strongly consider adoption, I was adopted. But would not force a mother to have a baby against her will. To do so as is the position of many Churches is just a mechanism to puff out their chest as to feel morally superior to others. The New Testament is silent about abortion and the Old testament as well.
newyorknewyork wrote:martin wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:As for abortion.If you want to prevent abortion. Making laws banning it isn't the way to do so. Side note banning contraception only leads to higher possibilities of people making babies. So why are those things attached to the laws against abortion? Answer is because its nothing more than a plan to increase a voter base. Mind you gun laws to keep children safe limited, social programs & safety nets for children defunded by GOP policies...
If you want to get to the root cause of abortion. You need to raise the quality of life, and deprogram the prejudice & bigotry within the US society. Thus people would feel more comfortable to keep that unplanned child naturally, without laws forcing them to do so.
That would fall more in line with Jesus teachings for Christians.
I am more cynical in this instance and say it’s to increase a low wage, low educated work force who has little opportunity of upward mobility. Maybe that’s the same thing as voter base or the Venn diagram is very overlapping. Just my opinion.
Opioids and zero heathcare do the same things as low regulation of toxic industries like coal, oil, gas, energy, education, finance, etc.
I am positive that you could attach any and every unethical reasoning to the true endgoal and it would hold true.
You can. But you can also just take a fairly good look at the infrastructure of things and see how the same broad avenues play out in history quite regularly and come to some fairly conformable and sensible conclusions.
Or a voter can just believe what is regularly told to them on Fox and have a different information base and perspective on reality.
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Alpha1971 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:As for abortion.If you want to prevent abortion. Making laws banning it isn't the way to do so. Side note banning contraception only leads to higher possibilities of people making babies. So why are those things attached to the laws against abortion? Answer is because its nothing more than a plan to increase a voter base. Mind you gun laws to keep children safe limited, social programs & safety nets for children defunded by GOP policies...
If you want to get to the root cause of abortion. You need to raise the quality of life, and deprogram the prejudice & bigotry within the US society. Thus people would feel more comfortable to keep that unplanned child naturally, without laws forcing them to do so.
That would fall more in line with Jesus teachings for Christians.
I'm a Christian and I was pro life and actually prayed in front of abortion clinics. However, don't misjudge me, we prayed quietly in cars never confronting or intimidating any employee or patient, they would not even know we were there. We prayed for people to choose life but never ever judged those who had abortions badly or even the staff for performing them. However I can attest from personal experience that many like myself who once were pro life have become more pro choice with the years. Honest people see that we have no business telling others what to do since we aren't going to pay their bills take their kids to doctors appointments fix the problems of the parents who choose to have abortions and if all these kids were born that are aborted they aren't all going to live lives happily every after. God is the judge of a soul not man. Also Jesus was a practicing Jew and the Jewish faith does not believe life begins at conception. Life begins later at 40 weeks when the soul is joined to the unborn. Islam has a similar belief. I bring that up simply to say the issue of when life begins is not universally understood by people of faith. I certainly would encourage a mother to strongly consider adoption, I was adopted. But would not force a mother to have a baby against her will. To do so as is the position of many Churches is just a mechanism to puff out their chest as to feel morally superior to others. The New Testament is silent about abortion and the Old testament as well.
I personally would have more respect for pro lifers if they put as much energy into quality of life for children as they did abortion. How much funding and resources are they putting into adoption agencies to have more ppl open to those options? Are they voting in politicians that are supporting safety nets and social programs for children? Are they creating and supporting the infrastructure to help fund and support the well being of children themselves. With a strong network if they are for less government involvement? It takes a community to help raise a child. Are they through funding, infrastructure and network creating that community environment? To go along with voting in politicians within Congress to create and pass the policies that form the infrastructure for a positive processes of raising a child? When schools are getting shot up with automatic assault rifles. How much action has "pro life" put in place to ensure that children are safe from these tragedies and why have they been failing so miserably?
One of the main enlightenments I have gained practicing Jesus teaches of Christianity. Is that the laws and ordinances were created for each step of mankind's growth. Example at first in the Bible God allowed mankind to sleep with our siblings in order populate the earth. Then put a stop to it, putting in law through Moses that mankind shouldn't do so anymore. At first I waw perplexed by this. Why would God create a law preventing something which he was allowing previously? But then gained understanding through further study of the Bible. That the law that is eternal is Love. While the laws and ordinances put in place are for the betterment of mankind. They don't hold close to the same weight as the law of Love.
If abortion and pro life was really about Love. Then pro lifers wouldn't only be relying on abortion laws when putting "pro life" into action. Now if pro lifers were saying hey we put in the work and created all the necessary infrastructure, network & environmental community for positive child raising outcomes. So this is why you should maybe avoid not giving birth, depending on your circumstance obviously. Then that would be a more respected and genuine movement.
newyorknewyork wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:As for abortion.If you want to prevent abortion. Making laws banning it isn't the way to do so. Side note banning contraception only leads to higher possibilities of people making babies. So why are those things attached to the laws against abortion? Answer is because its nothing more than a plan to increase a voter base. Mind you gun laws to keep children safe limited, social programs & safety nets for children defunded by GOP policies...
If you want to get to the root cause of abortion. You need to raise the quality of life, and deprogram the prejudice & bigotry within the US society. Thus people would feel more comfortable to keep that unplanned child naturally, without laws forcing them to do so.
That would fall more in line with Jesus teachings for Christians.
I'm a Christian and I was pro life and actually prayed in front of abortion clinics. However, don't misjudge me, we prayed quietly in cars never confronting or intimidating any employee or patient, they would not even know we were there. We prayed for people to choose life but never ever judged those who had abortions badly or even the staff for performing them. However I can attest from personal experience that many like myself who once were pro life have become more pro choice with the years. Honest people see that we have no business telling others what to do since we aren't going to pay their bills take their kids to doctors appointments fix the problems of the parents who choose to have abortions and if all these kids were born that are aborted they aren't all going to live lives happily every after. God is the judge of a soul not man. Also Jesus was a practicing Jew and the Jewish faith does not believe life begins at conception. Life begins later at 40 weeks when the soul is joined to the unborn. Islam has a similar belief. I bring that up simply to say the issue of when life begins is not universally understood by people of faith. I certainly would encourage a mother to strongly consider adoption, I was adopted. But would not force a mother to have a baby against her will. To do so as is the position of many Churches is just a mechanism to puff out their chest as to feel morally superior to others. The New Testament is silent about abortion and the Old testament as well.
I personally would have more respect for pro lifers if they put as much energy into quality of life for children as they did abortion. How much funding and resources are they putting into adoption agencies to have more ppl open to those options? Are they voting in politicians that are supporting safety nets and social programs for children? Are they creating and supporting the infrastructure to help fund and support the well being of children themselves. With a strong network if they are for less government involvement? It takes a community to help raise a child. Are they through funding, infrastructure and network creating that community environment? To go along with voting in politicians within Congress to create and pass the policies that form the infrastructure for a positive processes of raising a child? When schools are getting shot up with automatic assault rifles. How much action has "pro life" put in place to ensure that children are safe from these tragedies and why have they been failing so miserably?
One of the main enlightenments I have gained practicing Jesus teaches of Christianity. Is that the laws and ordinances were created for each step of mankind's growth. Example at first in the Bible God allowed mankind to sleep with our siblings in order populate the earth. Then put a stop to it, putting in law through Moses that mankind shouldn't do so anymore. At first I waw perplexed by this. Why would God create a law preventing something which he was allowing previously? But then gained understanding through further study of the Bible. That the law that is eternal is Love. While the laws and ordinances put in place are for the betterment of mankind. They don't hold close to the same weight as the law of Love.
If abortion and pro life was really about Love. Then pro lifers wouldn't only be relying on abortion laws when putting "pro life" into action. Now if pro lifers were saying hey we put in the work and created all the necessary infrastructure, network & environmental community for positive child raising outcomes. So this is why you should maybe avoid not giving birth, depending on your circumstance obviously. Then that would be a more respected and genuine movement.
Alpha1971 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:As for abortion.If you want to prevent abortion. Making laws banning it isn't the way to do so. Side note banning contraception only leads to higher possibilities of people making babies. So why are those things attached to the laws against abortion? Answer is because its nothing more than a plan to increase a voter base. Mind you gun laws to keep children safe limited, social programs & safety nets for children defunded by GOP policies...
If you want to get to the root cause of abortion. You need to raise the quality of life, and deprogram the prejudice & bigotry within the US society. Thus people would feel more comfortable to keep that unplanned child naturally, without laws forcing them to do so.
That would fall more in line with Jesus teachings for Christians.
I'm a Christian and I was pro life and actually prayed in front of abortion clinics. However, don't misjudge me, we prayed quietly in cars never confronting or intimidating any employee or patient, they would not even know we were there. We prayed for people to choose life but never ever judged those who had abortions badly or even the staff for performing them. However I can attest from personal experience that many like myself who once were pro life have become more pro choice with the years. Honest people see that we have no business telling others what to do since we aren't going to pay their bills take their kids to doctors appointments fix the problems of the parents who choose to have abortions and if all these kids were born that are aborted they aren't all going to live lives happily every after. God is the judge of a soul not man. Also Jesus was a practicing Jew and the Jewish faith does not believe life begins at conception. Life begins later at 40 weeks when the soul is joined to the unborn. Islam has a similar belief. I bring that up simply to say the issue of when life begins is not universally understood by people of faith. I certainly would encourage a mother to strongly consider adoption, I was adopted. But would not force a mother to have a baby against her will. To do so as is the position of many Churches is just a mechanism to puff out their chest as to feel morally superior to others. The New Testament is silent about abortion and the Old testament as well.
I personally would have more respect for pro lifers if they put as much energy into quality of life for children as they did abortion. How much funding and resources are they putting into adoption agencies to have more ppl open to those options? Are they voting in politicians that are supporting safety nets and social programs for children? Are they creating and supporting the infrastructure to help fund and support the well being of children themselves. With a strong network if they are for less government involvement? It takes a community to help raise a child. Are they through funding, infrastructure and network creating that community environment? To go along with voting in politicians within Congress to create and pass the policies that form the infrastructure for a positive processes of raising a child? When schools are getting shot up with automatic assault rifles. How much action has "pro life" put in place to ensure that children are safe from these tragedies and why have they been failing so miserably?
One of the main enlightenments I have gained practicing Jesus teaches of Christianity. Is that the laws and ordinances were created for each step of mankind's growth. Example at first in the Bible God allowed mankind to sleep with our siblings in order populate the earth. Then put a stop to it, putting in law through Moses that mankind shouldn't do so anymore. At first I waw perplexed by this. Why would God create a law preventing something which he was allowing previously? But then gained understanding through further study of the Bible. That the law that is eternal is Love. While the laws and ordinances put in place are for the betterment of mankind. They don't hold close to the same weight as the law of Love.
If abortion and pro life was really about Love. Then pro lifers wouldn't only be relying on abortion laws when putting "pro life" into action. Now if pro lifers were saying hey we put in the work and created all the necessary infrastructure, network & environmental community for positive child raising outcomes. So this is why you should maybe avoid not giving birth, depending on your circumstance obviously. Then that would be a more respected and genuine movement.
I agree for the most part with everything you said. For the most part pro lifers feel their responsibility ends once the baby is born. Unwanted children are on their own for all intensive purposes.
Alpha1971 wrote:As a former Republican the biggest shame that led me to leave, among many was the voter suppression efforts I noticed largely aimed at people of certain ethnic and racial demographics. It's alive and in full bloom in efforts to again discredit an election where Trump looses, effort is getting the election to the SCOTUS and let them give it to Trump.
Alpha1971 wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:As for abortion.If you want to prevent abortion. Making laws banning it isn't the way to do so. Side note banning contraception only leads to higher possibilities of people making babies. So why are those things attached to the laws against abortion? Answer is because its nothing more than a plan to increase a voter base. Mind you gun laws to keep children safe limited, social programs & safety nets for children defunded by GOP policies...
If you want to get to the root cause of abortion. You need to raise the quality of life, and deprogram the prejudice & bigotry within the US society. Thus people would feel more comfortable to keep that unplanned child naturally, without laws forcing them to do so.
That would fall more in line with Jesus teachings for Christians.
I'm a Christian and I was pro life and actually prayed in front of abortion clinics. However, don't misjudge me, we prayed quietly in cars never confronting or intimidating any employee or patient, they would not even know we were there. We prayed for people to choose life but never ever judged those who had abortions badly or even the staff for performing them. However I can attest from personal experience that many like myself who once were pro life have become more pro choice with the years. Honest people see that we have no business telling others what to do since we aren't going to pay their bills take their kids to doctors appointments fix the problems of the parents who choose to have abortions and if all these kids were born that are aborted they aren't all going to live lives happily every after. God is the judge of a soul not man. Also Jesus was a practicing Jew and the Jewish faith does not believe life begins at conception. Life begins later at 40 weeks when the soul is joined to the unborn. Islam has a similar belief. I bring that up simply to say the issue of when life begins is not universally understood by people of faith. I certainly would encourage a mother to strongly consider adoption, I was adopted. But would not force a mother to have a baby against her will. To do so as is the position of many Churches is just a mechanism to puff out their chest as to feel morally superior to others. The New Testament is silent about abortion and the Old testament as well.
I personally would have more respect for pro lifers if they put as much energy into quality of life for children as they did abortion. How much funding and resources are they putting into adoption agencies to have more ppl open to those options? Are they voting in politicians that are supporting safety nets and social programs for children? Are they creating and supporting the infrastructure to help fund and support the well being of children themselves. With a strong network if they are for less government involvement? It takes a community to help raise a child. Are they through funding, infrastructure and network creating that community environment? To go along with voting in politicians within Congress to create and pass the policies that form the infrastructure for a positive processes of raising a child? When schools are getting shot up with automatic assault rifles. How much action has "pro life" put in place to ensure that children are safe from these tragedies and why have they been failing so miserably?
One of the main enlightenments I have gained practicing Jesus teaches of Christianity. Is that the laws and ordinances were created for each step of mankind's growth. Example at first in the Bible God allowed mankind to sleep with our siblings in order populate the earth. Then put a stop to it, putting in law through Moses that mankind shouldn't do so anymore. At first I waw perplexed by this. Why would God create a law preventing something which he was allowing previously? But then gained understanding through further study of the Bible. That the law that is eternal is Love. While the laws and ordinances put in place are for the betterment of mankind. They don't hold close to the same weight as the law of Love.
If abortion and pro life was really about Love. Then pro lifers wouldn't only be relying on abortion laws when putting "pro life" into action. Now if pro lifers were saying hey we put in the work and created all the necessary infrastructure, network & environmental community for positive child raising outcomes. So this is why you should maybe avoid not giving birth, depending on your circumstance obviously. Then that would be a more respected and genuine movement.
I agree for the most part with everything you said. For the most part pro lifers feel their responsibility ends once the baby is born. Unwanted children are on their own for all intensive purposes.
I think Alpha hit the nail on the head. With personal perspective.
Christian Nationalism does not respect the separation of church and state.
Forgetting that this country was founded by those who were trying to escape the very same thing Republicans are trying to put in place. True Christians understand that God is the only one who can judge you for your actions but that on earth everyone has free will. Why should anyone in a true democracy establish laws based on how they “interpret “ their religion. Especially when it’s based on Interpretations that many have argued for thousands of years. May not agree with it but who is anyone to tell someone else what to do with their body? IMHO
I also agree with the premise that so many pro lifers are the same who are voting against public programs that would help families in need, homeless vets, seniors and the lower classes. You know, cuz that is “socialism”. Let alone voting to keep immigrant children out who are just looking for help from a more prosperous country. Forgetting that Christ preached for the rich to give to those in need. Ah the hypocrisy of the right.
Trumps base has been formed by Trump following a well known playbook. One that has been followed many times by successful dictators and cult leaders all across history. He villainizes people to justify the racist hate. He knows that what he says does not have to be true just repeated over and over. He knows that the ones easily coerced are the uneducated, unhappy and hateful. And that religion is the best tool to have by your side when trying to manipulate those that are not well informed.
In her interview last week, she took a question on inflation and instead of factually stating that it's not a problem anymore, she talked about going after companies for price gouging. Is the inflation story any more complicated than "China stopped exporting during the pandemic and it took a year for the supply chain to work litself out"? I was shocked to see gas at $6 in California but even more shocked to see McDonald's offering $20 an hour to new workers. I have to admit that when I listen to Harris, I am hoping she makes a coherent argument but when I listen to Trump, I just expect to be entertained by his buffoonery.
I think everything will kind of be in a holding pattern until the debate in September. I also think Putin and Bibi are waiting to see and will try to influence the election in Trumps favor. Hopefully the fiasco this weekend will convince enough people in Israel that a negotiated cease fire is the only way to get together hostages back.
gradyandrew wrote:Newyorknewyork, thanks for posting that article. I heard on a podcast today that there's "no relation between the average Americans perspective and reality." Crime, the economy, and immigration all seem to fit this bill. What I don’t get is why Kamala is agreeing to the Republican framing of these topics rather than using the abundant statistics available showing their improvement.In her interview last week, she took a question on inflation and instead of factually stating that it's not a problem anymore, she talked about going after companies for price gouging. Is the inflation story any more complicated than "China stopped exporting during the pandemic and it took a year for the supply chain to work litself out"? I was shocked to see gas at $6 in California but even more shocked to see McDonald's offering $20 an hour to new workers. I have to admit that when I listen to Harris, I am hoping she makes a coherent argument but when I listen to Trump, I just expect to be entertained by his buffoonery.
I think everything will kind of be in a holding pattern until the debate in September. I also think Putin and Bibi are waiting to see and will try to influence the election in Trumps favor. Hopefully the fiasco this weekend will convince enough people in Israel that a negotiated cease fire is the only way to get together hostages back.
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How do you get to a point where you think those guys ever wait to see on anything?
They never ever ever ever never ever never never do that type of decision making.
Ever. In their entire lives. About anything.
Since they were in power or ever close to that point in their lives. This is who they are. Calculating and planning and scheming.
If you need to gain their perspective on life, watch Game Of Thrones.
And to be clear: zero emojis here.