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gradyandrew wrote:Nalod, Dean Baker, a progressive economist, has written how free trade has screwed over the working class. Basically, while trade in manufactured goods was opened to global competition, professionals, like doctors and lawyers, were allowed to keep in place highly protective barriers. A good example he gives is for things like a barber's license. This has caused the post-NAFTA economy to be much more beneficial to college educated than those that aren't. He suggests things like government administered licensing exams as one way to bring down health care costs. The first victims of Trump's rise were free trade Republicans, who have increasingly migrated over to the Democratic party.As far as women vs. men go, abortion is probably the key issue to explain the gender gap.
I think you are ignoring the huge rise in popularity Trump has had amongst black men and Hispanics. His economic arguments are the key here.
Huge rise in popularity with minorities does not validate. Trump appeals to macho seeking leadership. Black business owners do feel left out by democrats who feel they are not being helped.
Lawrence Taylor is a trump supporter. Hershall Walker. There is room for all types in the MAGA universe.
Saying women who own more businesses, graduate college at high levels, and could be primary earner or single family earner are voting due to abortion issue is undermines the core issue that women are empowered more so than in the past. Entitled MAGA's who lose jobs, status, or power to women get injured.
Trump being who he is has a lot to do with it besides "abortion" issue. Married three times, children with three women. Many documented affairs. "Grabbing women by the pussies", Civil trail has to pay over 100 million cuz he can't keep his mouth shut, and then there is stormy Daniels. He repulses educated, self reliant, economic independent women. Its not just about abortion, its about women controlling who decides their bodies.
Lets be honest, red states do have higher levels of incest. Lower income levels. See the pattern? Those blue states kick more into federal gov't and that gets sent back to those red states quite often.
As for Nafta and globalization having impact on middle class is a very real thing. I agree. You really think. you can effectively get it back? I know trump can click his heels and tell you as such, but do you really understand the ramifications of inflation and the real impact it would make?
Trump panders to the constituency. Has no idea about health care fix. He improved it? Maybe his admin did. But he called to repeal it but realized people wanted it. remember he said he had a better idea? 9 years later said "in concept". But can't utter a coherent sentence to describe it.
Sorry dude, we not going change each others mind. Im too snarky and have such little respect for the die hard MAGA head.
gradyandrew wrote:Nalod, Dean Baker, a progressive economist, has written how free trade has screwed over the working class. Basically, while trade in manufactured goods was opened to global competition, professionals, like doctors and lawyers, were allowed to keep in place highly protective barriers. A good example he gives is for things like a barber's license. This has caused the post-NAFTA economy to be much more beneficial to college educated than those that aren't. He suggests things like government administered licensing exams as one way to bring down health care costs. The first victims of Trump's rise were free trade Republicans, who have increasingly migrated over to the Democratic party.As far as women vs. men go, abortion is probably the key issue to explain the gender gap.
I think you are ignoring the huge rise in popularity Trump has had amongst black men and Hispanics. His economic arguments are the key here.
Globalization has worked both ways. Yes manufacturing jobs moved overseas but a lot also came here to the US. Mercedes Benz’s biggest factory in the world is in Alabama. Hyundai’s biggest factory is in South Carolina. There was a huge Honda plant right by where I used to live in Indiana. We are at 4% unemployment now - basically anyone who wants a job can get one and get a job that pays fairly well and that applies to non-college educated Americans as well.
Philc1 wrote:gradyandrew wrote:Nalod, Dean Baker, a progressive economist, has written how free trade has screwed over the working class. Basically, while trade in manufactured goods was opened to global competition, professionals, like doctors and lawyers, were allowed to keep in place highly protective barriers. A good example he gives is for things like a barber's license. This has caused the post-NAFTA economy to be much more beneficial to college educated than those that aren't. He suggests things like government administered licensing exams as one way to bring down health care costs. The first victims of Trump's rise were free trade Republicans, who have increasingly migrated over to the Democratic party.As far as women vs. men go, abortion is probably the key issue to explain the gender gap.
I think you are ignoring the huge rise in popularity Trump has had amongst black men and Hispanics. His economic arguments are the key here.
Globalization has worked both ways. Yes manufacturing jobs moved overseas but a lot also came here to the US. Mercedes Benz’s biggest factory in the world is in Alabama. Hyundai’s biggest factory is in South Carolina. There was a huge Honda plant right by where I used to live in Indiana. We are at 4% unemployment now - basically anyone who wants a job can get one and get a job that pays fairly well and that applies to non-college educated Americans as well.
Good take!
While the American Car industry is not what it used to be in part because other markets are growing faster. Largest companies in the world are not the same as they were 50 years ago. Now Apple, Amazon, Google and others dominate. Thats today. We created many alt energy jobs as well and in the south the "Battery Belt" is big business. Toyota is to employ 5,000 in North carolina in a new plant. And a second plant is being planned!!!
Many stories of success. Its not just about Biden or Trump, its the demographics and that of change. Blame? Both administrations gave TAP funds to keep things going and save the economy. Both blue and Red states!
martin wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:I read it like this: NY Times is somehow gravitating towards the same themes that Fox News started back in 2015.Same with Wash Post and you heard the Opinion debacle over at the LA Times over the last 48 hours.
This is all very strange. Or not.
Nalod wrote:NY Times "The Daily" has a good podcast this morning as to why younger men are gravitating to Trump.
Men are not making enough money and they are not able to fill the stereotype that was their father or grandfather. Go work, get a pension, and retire. The american middle class was easy post World War 2 and the boom of demand. Mom stayed at home and took care of the kids, dad went to work and felt like a man!!!
The publication cites young men think cutting corp taxes would create more jobs and bring some of that back. That did not really work in his first administration. He cut taxes but the jobs did not come as expected. Trickle down theory we all hope for.
Tarrifs could do that but its so inflationary and will take a long time to accomplish.
Men want to feel like men. Women are outperforming in school and and making great strides in the workforce. Cold reality is if migrant workers with little language and technical skills are taking your job you need to think about retraining yourself. When Hilary said that she was vilified.
Remember inflation in post ww1 germany drove men to low self esteem and Nazi gave them hope. Bully the educated, dehumanize non Aryan's and blame the German citizens that were Jewish for their problems. It was "Patriotic" to do so. When leadership promotes immoral activity in it becomes "patriotic". sound familar? Nazi's had great uniforms that bully's could wear with pride and feel good about themselves.
White men entitlement is threatened. Trump misogamy speaks to this. His fear mongering about immigrants is an age old tactic we have used over and over. Assign blame is necessary.
So when generals and other former staffers say he is a "fascist" this is in part what they are talking about. He will go for media, create enemies, and divide us so he can consolidate his power. Sociopaths think only of themselves. The vacuum he creates feeds the insecure white male. You need guns. You need to be part of something that soothes and feeds your self esteem. Hating on the educated is part of this. creating conspiracy to hate on things you don't understand so its has to be deliberate. "Deep State" or our ring leader of all things including the weather on George Soros! Fox news feeds this.
Not saying all trump supporters BTW. But enough to tip the balance. Unfortunately we all learn from mistakes. Lets hope Trump is one that is not elected and if so may it not be all I fear!
You suggesting using Fox tactics to incite fear? The LA Times "Editorial: Election denialism could spark violence after a close race" Op-Ed" as example?
I am suggesting that participation at the ownership level of those media outlets is propagating something that is not as independent as one would expect.
Who is the LA Times endorsing this election? And why haven't they? The paper that is based out of Kamala country? Who is that owner?
You can’t make these things up: owner of LATimes was born in South Africa and has dual citizenship and is a billionaire. What are the odds?
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I'm watching a Carlson interview with Mark Halperin now. Halperin made the point that Harris's campaign is really depending on women voters to turn out in bigger numbers ergo, her recent switch to highlighting Trump's unfitness for office. I think her recent media strategy also plays into this.
Trump going on Joe Rogan is probably his answer.
Halperin's other point is that Harris chief strategist unprecedentedly came up through the ground game (I'm thinking a political Eric Spoelestra or David Fizdale). Combined with the fundraising advantage, there might be a lot of new voters that the polls aren't capturing, think millennial women.
gradyandrew wrote:Nalod, good points about Trump's issues with women voters being more than just about abortion.I'm watching a Carlson interview with Mark Halperin now. Halperin made the point that Harris's campaign is really depending on women voters to turn out in bigger numbers ergo, her recent switch to highlighting Trump's unfitness for office. I think her recent media strategy also plays into this.
Trump going on Joe Rogan is probably his answer.
Halperin's other point is that Harris chief strategist unprecedentedly came up through the ground game (I'm thinking a political Eric Spoelestra or David Fizdale). Combined with the fundraising advantage, there might be a lot of new voters that the polls aren't capturing, think millennial women.
Question, as you seem to look at some alternate news/interview sources. Just curious if news of thr John Kelly interview/audio has flowed through?
foosballnick wrote:gradyandrew wrote:Nalod, good points about Trump's issues with women voters being more than just about abortion.I'm watching a Carlson interview with Mark Halperin now. Halperin made the point that Harris's campaign is really depending on women voters to turn out in bigger numbers ergo, her recent switch to highlighting Trump's unfitness for office. I think her recent media strategy also plays into this.
Trump going on Joe Rogan is probably his answer.
Halperin's other point is that Harris chief strategist unprecedentedly came up through the ground game (I'm thinking a political Eric Spoelestra or David Fizdale). Combined with the fundraising advantage, there might be a lot of new voters that the polls aren't capturing, think millennial women.
Question, as you seem to look at some alternate news/interview sources. Just curious if news of thr John Kelly interview/audio has flowed through?
Yes. I start the day with CNN. I then listen to a few podcasts like Olbermann, Kelly, Carlson. For foreign affairs I like the Duran report, Piers Morgan can also be pretty good. I'm a big Jon Stewart fan, but so so on the rest of the Daily Show, though Jon Kostas take on the Kelly interview was pretty hilarious. "Isn't this the kind of news that shouldn't be delivered by audio only? Jeez, general put on some pants and turn on your camera."
Is that good? higher deficit with that "Trickle down" thing again?
The guy thats been bankrupt 6 times, won't reveal his taxes, has 450mm civil fine and this is the guy low self esteem men want in charge of country's finance?
Rememberer when American went to Europe to protect from hostile invasion? Trump will stop funding Ukraine and Putin will be given his payment from trump.
Nalod wrote:10 year bond rate up as wall st and banks brace for red sweep and combination of tax cuts and tariffs as inflationary.
Is that good? higher deficit with that "Trickle down" thing again?
The guy thats been bankrupt 6 times, won't reveal his taxes, has 450mm civil fine and this is the guy low self esteem men want in charge of country's finance?
Rememberer when American went to Europe to protect from hostile invasion? Trump will stop funding Ukraine and Putin will be given his payment from trump.
All of this is very public too, same as in 2015 and before that.
What have we got to lose if we don't do our homework? We sit in a basement for months on end and watch people die. Literally.
Lets be real, our country revolution from England, who was the law of the land and rightfully theirs was taken by a US patriot in a great monetary grab. England had made the investments here and ran it as a business. the slave Labor in an agro economy was massive profits. They were ending that in their colonies. The "Patriots" were in fact rebels but when you frame it as "It was the right thing to do", and our school books taught us to honor the heroe they were painted as, well then your have "patriots".
January 6th was an act of "Patriotism" empowered by their president who basically told the to go get Pence. What was that?
This election is too close to call. It may be a red sweep. It could be a blue sweep. It could come down to 21 communities and weeks of debate and court hearings.
Election Day might see violence. One party wants to suppress the vote. Why is that? Not very "Patriotic" is it?
GOP has painted Dems as the deep state and could incite very bad behavior.
Our dollar will not be the standard if we are in turmoil. If our deficit climebs, if we pull away from our partners. They will seek others. Not "Great Again" is it?
Trump in Europe was a disaster. Isolationism and American first does promote some nice thoughts but it also divides. Remember trump turning off other leaders? Why does he brag about when dictators fawn upon him? They are jobbing him. He is a very insecure man who appeals to insecure voters who think he will fix inflation, labor wage gaps between educated and those who are not. If not, hate will. Bottom line is community college to retrain ones self or sit in the basement reading NAZI propaganda and hate on others to feel better about ones self. Thats what Trump does. Thats one of 100 reasons to not vote for him. Harris is painted as "Same as Joe" thing. its a good tactic and even if true, its better than the chaotic Trump. I'd rather we kick the can down the road then deal with Trump who's cognitive issues are different than Joes. With Biden you got a tired old man. With Trump you have nasty narcissist who in decline will be a worse version. The DOJ did not create his issues, he did. Over and over again. He keeps getting away with things.
Re: Europe, the Carlson- Halpern interview makes the point that Europeans paying their share and taking American forces off their soil probably makes the alliance stronger as they need some of their own agency back. It's emasculating for a nation to be wholly reliant on another for it's defense. Again, I'm broadly of the belief that US hegemony isn't good for the US.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-...
@Nalod
Philc1 wrote:gradyandrew wrote:Nalod, Dean Baker, a progressive economist, has written how free trade has screwed over the working class. Basically, while trade in manufactured goods was opened to global competition, professionals, like doctors and lawyers, were allowed to keep in place highly protective barriers. A good example he gives is for things like a barber's license. This has caused the post-NAFTA economy to be much more beneficial to college educated than those that aren't. He suggests things like government administered licensing exams as one way to bring down health care costs. The first victims of Trump's rise were free trade Republicans, who have increasingly migrated over to the Democratic party.As far as women vs. men go, abortion is probably the key issue to explain the gender gap.
I think you are ignoring the huge rise in popularity Trump has had amongst black men and Hispanics. His economic arguments are the key here.
Globalization has worked both ways. Yes manufacturing jobs moved overseas but a lot also came here to the US. Mercedes Benz’s biggest factory in the world is in Alabama. Hyundai’s biggest factory is in South Carolina. There was a huge Honda plant right by where I used to live in Indiana. We are at 4% unemployment now - basically anyone who wants a job can get one and get a job that pays fairly well and that applies to non-college educated Americans as well.
The issue isn't the lack of jobs, it's that growth had failed to keep up with inflation, real gdp is down 2.3% under Biden. https://www.factcheck.org/2024/07/bidens...
Like schedule F for starters. Firing tons of federal employees and installing loyalist. Which he already attempted to do towards the end of his first term.
Privatizing/Or: Eliminating DOE, FEMA, EPA, VA, HUD, DOJ, CDC & Unions.
As well as many many other things.
Interested in knowing that if Project 2025 were to proceed to be implemented. How would any of you who believed that this wasn't Trumps platform feel about that?
You believe him and would feel away about him lying to you?
You always knew he was lying and decided to help push his lies yourself?
You believe him, but wouldn't feel away because you never really cared. Though you didn't really care, decided to help push his lies?
You actually support it, but didn't want that to be public. So you decided to support his lies?
gradyandrew wrote:Regarding Charlottesville:https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-...
@Nalod
yes, very fine people on both sides. Nazis are not very fine people.
gradyandrew wrote:Philc1 wrote:gradyandrew wrote:Nalod, Dean Baker, a progressive economist, has written how free trade has screwed over the working class. Basically, while trade in manufactured goods was opened to global competition, professionals, like doctors and lawyers, were allowed to keep in place highly protective barriers. A good example he gives is for things like a barber's license. This has caused the post-NAFTA economy to be much more beneficial to college educated than those that aren't. He suggests things like government administered licensing exams as one way to bring down health care costs. The first victims of Trump's rise were free trade Republicans, who have increasingly migrated over to the Democratic party.As far as women vs. men go, abortion is probably the key issue to explain the gender gap.
I think you are ignoring the huge rise in popularity Trump has had amongst black men and Hispanics. His economic arguments are the key here.
Globalization has worked both ways. Yes manufacturing jobs moved overseas but a lot also came here to the US. Mercedes Benz’s biggest factory in the world is in Alabama. Hyundai’s biggest factory is in South Carolina. There was a huge Honda plant right by where I used to live in Indiana. We are at 4% unemployment now - basically anyone who wants a job can get one and get a job that pays fairly well and that applies to non-college educated Americans as well.
The issue isn't the lack of jobs, it's that growth had failed to keep up with inflation, real gdp is down 2.3% under Biden. https://www.factcheck.org/2024/07/bidens...
You found one stat. BTW, Both Trump and Biden GDP numbers are tainted because of the anomaly of Covid.
What about the other statistics? Or are the ones against trump all conspiracy.
Its a close election. How can millions of Trump supporters be wrong?
History has proven masses don't always get it right and are gullible to influence. Its not just USA.
Brexit
Putin
Hitler
Context of the moment there were elections and the people spoke. There are many other examples.
Bad ideas don't get validated by the ignorance of those who put it in place. History does.
You tap into the emotions of low self esteem and let bad ideas in the door.
Why did Trump lose in 2020? OR you on the belief it was rigged?
BtW, I cannot even believe this election is so close. In my pea brain its not about Harris, who is competent as a person, a lawyer, a senator, and state attorney General. Vice President is not a high profile job. trump failed in his term. Thats my opinion. I don't love Harris. she gets my vote because Trump won't.
ToddTT wrote:What are people’s opinions on donating to campaigns? And during this election in particular? Might part with some money later today.
I think it's a good idea! Good on you, man!
BTW you can just go to her website to donate, and PayPal is among the options. The whole thing can be done in about one minute.