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Philc1 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:Real issue is my wife and I gross around 210,000 a year. Not rich but since Trump passed his tax plans we owe so much in taxes where we never did before. Trumps tax plans cost us money and so many of his followers too but they claim he saves them money. I don't get it

My gross income is about the same and I’m paying taxes out the ass but I’m not a billionaire republican donor. #Freedom

cause middle class pay for everything under GOP. Wealthy get massive breaks so we pay for them and the poor.

The top 1% have more wealth than the entire America middle class and it’s going to get even worse. I’m an annoying a-hole I will be reminding trump voters of their blunder constantly next several years

The Supreme Court will be locked in at conservative majority for the rest of our lifetime.

It is amazing how ignorant 80% of Americans are when it comes to the Judiciary branch of the government. Right wing federal judges are taking away rights, granting trump broad based and ambiguous legal immunity and rewriting the Constitution.

I’m not sure if I have the stats exactly correct but it’s not off by much: near 50% or more of the population in the United States has only a 6th grade education level. I think that’s regarding adults.

This is us.

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:Real issue is my wife and I gross around 210,000 a year. Not rich but since Trump passed his tax plans we owe so much in taxes where we never did before. Trumps tax plans cost us money and so many of his followers too but they claim he saves them money. I don't get it

My gross income is about the same and I’m paying taxes out the ass but I’m not a billionaire republican donor. #Freedom

cause middle class pay for everything under GOP. Wealthy get massive breaks so we pay for them and the poor.

The top 1% have more wealth than the entire America middle class and it’s going to get even worse. I’m an annoying a-hole I will be reminding trump voters of their blunder constantly next several years

The Supreme Court will be locked in at conservative majority for the rest of our lifetime.

It is amazing how ignorant 80% of Americans are when it comes to the Judiciary branch of the government. Right wing federal judges are taking away rights, granting trump broad based and ambiguous legal immunity and rewriting the Constitution.

I’m not sure if I have the stats exactly correct but it’s not off by much: near 50% or more of the population in the United States has only a 6th grade education level. I think that’s regarding adults.

This is us.

This is the due to the continuous defunding of the public education system by the right that's been going on most, if not all, of our lives. It's how they consistently have a chance at power by creating a population that is easily duped rather than actually catering to the needs of the people. A more educated population would have better critical thinking and see through the bs.

No, it is not better. Again, another meaningless platitude from you. At least others have detailed their thoughts, mostly respectful and intelligent. I respect well thought out discussions and agree with a lot that they have said. You must be perfect and have nothing to learn, congrats to you. I will continue to learn and grow as a human. No need to reply, you are lost. I wish you the best in your reality.

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NYStateOfMind wrote:Jay is this the only record you have in your collection? You'd be great in court.

most everything you say is not based in reality. better?

What is the point of citing that article? Yes, there are and will always be radicals in all facets of life. Those actions are disgusting, no matter who wins an election. The point was the majority of voting Americans spoke and it was time for change and more importantly, national unity. It shouldn't take buildings falling down to bring patriotic Americans back together. I served for a better America for all. God bless America.

newyorknewyork wrote:

CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:Thank God!!!

Yep. Time for some healing and Unity. MAGA

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...

Black college students in several states reported to authorities Wednesday they had received anonymous text messages using racist references to the era of U.S. slavery.

The messages varied in detail, but followed the same basic script, saying the recipient had "been selected to pick cotton at the nearest plantation."

Officials could not say Thursday where the messages originated.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate incidents nationwide, and local authorities in Ohio, Alabama, South Carolina and other states were investigating the messages, which were sent out after the announcement of Donald Trump's election.

That wasn't the point, it was about Presidential influence during their term. Someone stated the President doesn't effect certain issues, I disagree. I would be interested in who was President during different majority of House and Senate. Also, how often those 11 and 9 GOP majorities were with Trump/Biden/Obama in term. That could give a clearer picture overall, then we can further discuss how influential they were during their term. Sincerely, I find true facts fascinating and always looking to learn more about life, past or potential future. Lastly, I said 12 of the last 16 years, not sure if going back to 93 was to increase numbers to support your point of view. I was not a political major in college and truly don't know those stats. So, during those 16 years, who was in charge of the House and Senate during those specific Presidencies.

Again, that is why I said for a President to have as much influence as possible they need it all aligned. I don't think that happens often. That was my overall point. Even then, no President will have everything they want passed. It is a system of checks and balances.

newyorknewyork wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:No one person dictates anything, policies with the support of the House/Senate do. What or who does matter for inflation/prices?

So, you honestly believe between you and me, I'm the one connected to China? lol Sorry, I don't chill with Hillary & Hunter at the clurb. Your party has had control for 12 of the last 16 years. If you think the economy and security of America are great, that is living in denial.

As of Sept 2024(not my facts nor do I endorse any internet errors in data), there were 45.1 million registered Democrats to 36 million Republicans. That is 20% more Democrats, yet the election was lost by approximately 4%.

Just because your freely chosen party tells you their facts, doesn't necessarily mean they are facts. The majority of America has spoken, but you choose to speak and not also listen. Post-election, a lot media people are saying the problem is ignorant uneducated men and women(they usually point out whites specifically), racists/misogynists/fascists/nazis, and now black & Latinos, to blame for this loss. Nothing about a weak unlikeable candidate, a poorly run campaign, and the current status of America under her jointly held office and policies she said she wouldn't change on the View.

Is continued views and rhetoric of this nature the path to healing our nation toward unity, to great American patriotism & pride? The nation spoke, so that path didn't work for an election. Instead of blaming the other side, figure out why with a 20% advantage in registered voters, the path taken led your voters to give the other party a 4% majority victory. If you don't learn from the past...

P.S. Usually, it wasn't uncommon when we import goods, the ratio has been as bad as 20 of their units for 1 of ours, like cars to Japan. So, hell no, I don't support China or any other country doing this. I support America & American made. You want to sell 1 car here, you buy one of ours, that is smart business trade. Not letting other countries dictate our economy & policies.

P.S.2 Part of growth, as a person, society, country, and global world, often requires hearing hard truths. No one is perfect. I'm not and we all have room to grow, but that usually happens by listening and trial & error. I know I have and haven't always liked what I heard, but usually, I needed to hear it.

But, why would living in the real world and not just following your party/mainstream media matter? I guess saying the same thing, some screaming and crying, will fix the problem, not the root of the problem(s). Hard work and positive energy more often lead to success than expectations of entitlement and personal agendas.

God bless America, that includes your right to respectfully express opinions.

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President doesn't affect inflation/prices. It's a proven fact the economy performs better under democrat presidents. You clearly are a China fan. Take the US out of world affairs, then China will fill the void.

But, why should facts matter, never do.

Not sure if I'm readying what you wrote correctly. But the GOP has had majority control of the Senate 11 vs 5 over the last 16 cycles from Clinton in 93 to Trump now. GOP has had majority control of the House 9 vs 7 over the last 16 cycles from Clinton in 93 to Trump now.

Come on, Martin. Just because people have a different opinion than yours, doesn't make them ignorant. Again, this is the root of the real division in this nation. Show the respect you want in return. Usually peace and common ground requires 2 extended hands. Also, this isn't the first President to have classified documents in their home, so why does it only matter when it isn't your party of choice? That is a reality, too.

martin wrote:

CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:

martin wrote:

CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:

Nalod wrote:I have a low opinion for Trumps cognitive ability to stay focused or do much beyond look for adulation to feed his narcissist needs but my hope he rebels against the conservatives that put him power as his pandering was not to his core values. What are they? which He does what he wants. Thus, he moderates to the middle?
Does he have true allegiance? Doubtful. If not already he will turn on Vance not want to leave him much.
He is beholden to Putin who logically has something over him.
Will he go thru with nationwide abortion? I hope not. Does he care really about it? He is soulless so likely not. He does hate women so its possible.
Im baffled by many things so im scraping the barrel for hope.

The Dems Special Prosecutor (Mueller) found nothing on Trump / Russia Russia Russia after 2+ years of investigating. No one was calling the Russia lies in those 2 1/2 years and you are still repeating them as fact.

Trump has to keep his ego in check but it helps in the sense that he wants to be remembered and he is not being blackmailed like many other politicians. He is largely backed by the military. His allegience is to America, clearly. The normal protect your borders, lower taxes, stop endless wars, clean our food and Country up, etc. apply here.

Apparently the majority of Americans found the economy, inflation, securing the border, stopping war instead of funding it, lowering taxes, cleaning up our food & big pharma, etc. more important than abortion and continuing wars.

Stop watching MSM. (Yeah, FOX too.)

You need to read the report.

If Trump wasn’t indicted/arrested, then what’s the point?
Sounds like innocenence.

Everyone has their own approach to life. You don’t want to read what you are purportedly championing. AOK with me, I don’t operate at that level of ignorance, but I’m aware others purposely and overly do so; this happens in life all the time, it’s just a reality.

High level classified documents were stolen from the United States and found all over Trumps residence. It looks like our system of justice is overtly skewed. He will not get convicted of the same things others were immediately jailed for.

This is real life.

Reality that hateful people exist, we all already knew that. So, you didn't prove whatever point you were making. When someone extends an olive branch, bringing up hate crimes by horrible people and assuming they are GOP affiliated isn't the answer, it is part of the problem. Hateful acts should be condemned by all.

Also, utter nonsense that the GOP have to create that effort alone. Even when one does, they get dumped on as seen here. Looking to hang the VP, how about actual shooting at a former President? Love should be for all, not just people you support.

newyorknewyork wrote:

CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:Thank God!!!

Yep. Time for some healing and Unity. MAGA

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...

Black college students in several states reported to authorities Wednesday they had received anonymous text messages using racist references to the era of U.S. slavery.

The messages varied in detail, but followed the same basic script, saying the recipient had "been selected to pick cotton at the nearest plantation."

Officials could not say Thursday where the messages originated.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate incidents nationwide, and local authorities in Ohio, Alabama, South Carolina and other states were investigating the messages, which were sent out after the announcement of Donald Trump's election.

What kind of reply is that? I come with a message of unity and you reply with an example of hate?
Where does that bring us?

You guys apprently don’t want things to go in a better direction, as you can’t get over the past, you focus on bad things and generally speak disrespectfully. A mostly peaceful thread though.

From me to you all, Peace.

Brings us to reality.
These are the type of people and ideals the party you voted for aligned with, promoted and campaigned on for that last 12 years 3 election cycles. You know the same type of people that stormed the capital because their guy didn't win 4 years ago looking to hang the vice president.

To get to a point of peace and love. Its up to the GOP and its supporters to create that. Comes with holding power, which they are going to have an abundance of. So supporters like you and its leadership repping MAGA should be the loudest ones condemning this, setting the tone among its supporters and even non supporters.

But that would only really happen with (A) Real leadership &/or (B)If they/you actually cared about peace and love. Given the type of man that you and others voted to be President, his character and baggage. There is a lot more evidence that its about the money and not the love.

You are misreading the below. Read it again to grasp what is being said. I have not stated anything regarding an opinion. I am asking if someone read something.

There are easy ways to look stuff up. If you don’t really care or refuse to do those things but also want to regurgitate whatever, that is the pure definition of ignorance.

After that, things like who had majorities and whatnot are easily referenced. Google is everyone’s friend. You don’t even need to wonder after those things out loud.

If you think what Trump did regard classified documents and what other presidents have done is on equal ground, that’s your lack of information and willingness to set a pretty awful standard on which we should trust our leaders.

Nuclear secrets from other countries - 5 Eyes stuff - were a part of that. You OK with that level of managing our country?

I am not.

NYStateOfMind wrote:Come on, Martin. Just because people have a different opinion than yours, doesn't make them ignorant. Again, this is the root of the real division in this nation. Show the respect you want in return. Usually peace and common ground requires 2 extended hands. Also, this isn't the first President to have classified documents in their home, so why does it only matter when it isn't your party of choice? That is a reality, too.

martin wrote:

CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:

martin wrote:

CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:

Nalod wrote:I have a low opinion for Trumps cognitive ability to stay focused or do much beyond look for adulation to feed his narcissist needs but my hope he rebels against the conservatives that put him power as his pandering was not to his core values. What are they? which He does what he wants. Thus, he moderates to the middle?
Does he have true allegiance? Doubtful. If not already he will turn on Vance not want to leave him much.
He is beholden to Putin who logically has something over him.
Will he go thru with nationwide abortion? I hope not. Does he care really about it? He is soulless so likely not. He does hate women so its possible.
Im baffled by many things so im scraping the barrel for hope.

The Dems Special Prosecutor (Mueller) found nothing on Trump / Russia Russia Russia after 2+ years of investigating. No one was calling the Russia lies in those 2 1/2 years and you are still repeating them as fact.

Trump has to keep his ego in check but it helps in the sense that he wants to be remembered and he is not being blackmailed like many other politicians. He is largely backed by the military. His allegience is to America, clearly. The normal protect your borders, lower taxes, stop endless wars, clean our food and Country up, etc. apply here.

Apparently the majority of Americans found the economy, inflation, securing the border, stopping war instead of funding it, lowering taxes, cleaning up our food & big pharma, etc. more important than abortion and continuing wars.

Stop watching MSM. (Yeah, FOX too.)

You need to read the report.

If Trump wasn’t indicted/arrested, then what’s the point?
Sounds like innocenence.

Everyone has their own approach to life. You don’t want to read what you are purportedly championing. AOK with me, I don’t operate at that level of ignorance, but I’m aware others purposely and overly do so; this happens in life all the time, it’s just a reality.

High level classified documents were stolen from the United States and found all over Trumps residence. It looks like our system of justice is overtly skewed. He will not get convicted of the same things others were immediately jailed for.

This is real life.

NYStateOfMind wrote:That wasn't the point, it was about Presidential influence during their term. Someone stated the President doesn't effect certain issues, I disagree. I would be interested in who was President during different majority of House and Senate. Also, how often those 11 and 9 GOP majorities were with Trump/Biden/Obama in term. That could give a clearer picture overall, then we can further discuss how influential they were during their term. Sincerely, I find true facts fascinating and always looking to learn more about life, past or potential future. Lastly, I said 12 of the last 16 years, not sure if going back to 93 was to increase numbers to support your point of view. I was not a political major in college and truly don't know those stats. So, during those 16 years, who was in charge of the House and Senate during those specific Presidencies.

Again, that is why I said for a President to have as much influence as possible they need it all aligned. I don't think that happens often. That was my overall point. Even then, no President will have everything they want passed. It is a system of checks and balances.

newyorknewyork wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:No one person dictates anything, policies with the support of the House/Senate do. What or who does matter for inflation/prices?

So, you honestly believe between you and me, I'm the one connected to China? lol Sorry, I don't chill with Hillary & Hunter at the clurb. Your party has had control for 12 of the last 16 years. If you think the economy and security of America are great, that is living in denial.

As of Sept 2024(not my facts nor do I endorse any internet errors in data), there were 45.1 million registered Democrats to 36 million Republicans. That is 20% more Democrats, yet the election was lost by approximately 4%.

Just because your freely chosen party tells you their facts, doesn't necessarily mean they are facts. The majority of America has spoken, but you choose to speak and not also listen. Post-election, a lot media people are saying the problem is ignorant uneducated men and women(they usually point out whites specifically), racists/misogynists/fascists/nazis, and now black & Latinos, to blame for this loss. Nothing about a weak unlikeable candidate, a poorly run campaign, and the current status of America under her jointly held office and policies she said she wouldn't change on the View.

Is continued views and rhetoric of this nature the path to healing our nation toward unity, to great American patriotism & pride? The nation spoke, so that path didn't work for an election. Instead of blaming the other side, figure out why with a 20% advantage in registered voters, the path taken led your voters to give the other party a 4% majority victory. If you don't learn from the past...

P.S. Usually, it wasn't uncommon when we import goods, the ratio has been as bad as 20 of their units for 1 of ours, like cars to Japan. So, hell no, I don't support China or any other country doing this. I support America & American made. You want to sell 1 car here, you buy one of ours, that is smart business trade. Not letting other countries dictate our economy & policies.

P.S.2 Part of growth, as a person, society, country, and global world, often requires hearing hard truths. No one is perfect. I'm not and we all have room to grow, but that usually happens by listening and trial & error. I know I have and haven't always liked what I heard, but usually, I needed to hear it.

But, why would living in the real world and not just following your party/mainstream media matter? I guess saying the same thing, some screaming and crying, will fix the problem, not the root of the problem(s). Hard work and positive energy more often lead to success than expectations of entitlement and personal agendas.

God bless America, that includes your right to respectfully express opinions.

___________________________________________________________________________

President doesn't affect inflation/prices. It's a proven fact the economy performs better under democrat presidents. You clearly are a China fan. Take the US out of world affairs, then China will fill the void.

But, why should facts matter, never do.

Not sure if I'm readying what you wrote correctly. But the GOP has had majority control of the Senate 11 vs 5 over the last 16 cycles from Clinton in 93 to Trump now. GOP has had majority control of the House 9 vs 7 over the last 16 cycles from Clinton in 93 to Trump now.

I went back to 93 because I was born in 84. Clinton is the first political person I was introduced to through media etc.

For overall our look.
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2020/j...

But I have a better understanding of what you were saying. I thought u were saying Dems had control of Presidency and Congress for 12 of the last 16 years.

Most people could care less what goes on in anyone's bedroom, even respectfully outside of it. I sure don't, yes some do. Just don't push agendas in places they don't belong. I don't have all day, so I won't get into specifics. Most issue and every type of person in life deserve representation. The answer is not over-representation of agendas for mistakes of the past. For me, just using a number as I don't know the true number, if 8% of the nation is in the LGBT+ community, then everything we see should have that same ratio to reflect real life, same with ethnicities and religion. Sure they can be exceptions for specific pieces, but don't expect America to love it, then blame them when they don't. Same thing is happening right now post-election. Stating nothing was wrong with this Democrat campaign, it is the other sides fault. Change comes with reflection for both good and the bad we do as humans, not from blame and denial.

Ex. Disney thought there wasn't enough representation of the LGBT+ community in their product, I agree, it didn't reflect our society. So, they over-hired, not based on the best candidate, but for the change agenda they wanted. Then, instead of creating their own original series, they latched on to a generational franchise like Star Wars. They pushed to an extreme and gave us the Acolyte. They pushed, not just in alienating their near 50 year audience, but disrespecting the source material and making the Star Wars universe mostly unrecognizable. It was an utter disaster, not because it was review bombed, because it was trash. Poorly written, acted, and resources poorly spent. It lacked true substance, remind you of anything?

This country is founded on freedom of religion, the majority of voting Americans are not pushing religion on you. Federal protections for what? Trust the corporations, like the ones that have interfered in this and prior elections: Facebook/Twitter/mainstream Media/ABC/NBC/CBS/PBS/Washington Post/New York Times, to name a few. Oh, let me guess, it is only the corporations like Fox/X that you are mocking, isn't that hypocritical?

The future hopefully requires common ground, not more division and hate. Also, can we grow up with the Nazi rhetoric still being peddled? It is so disrespectful to the Jewish & other communities, who dealt with actual atrocities. He was already President for 4 years, none of that happened, nor will. It is just fear-mongering and as usual, it failed in this election and hopefully will continue in the future. Fear will not fix what is broken, solid issues and policies plus civility with mutual respect will. I truly hope we get to a better place as a society for all. God bless you all.

BigDaddyG wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:Real issue is my wife and I gross around 210,000 a year. Not rich but since Trump passed his tax plans we owe so much in taxes where we never did before. Trumps tax plans cost us money and so many of his followers too but they claim he saves them money. I don't get it

My gross income is about the same and I’m paying taxes out the ass but I’m not a billionaire republican donor. #Freedom

cause middle class pay for everything under GOP. Wealthy get massive breaks so we pay for them and the poor.

The top 1% have more wealth than the entire America middle class and it’s going to get even worse. I’m an annoying a-hole I will be reminding trump voters of their blunder constantly next several years

The Supreme Court will be locked in at conservative majority for the rest of our lifetime.

It is amazing how ignorant 80% of Americans are when it comes to the Judiciary branch of the government.

It's amazing how many Americans are willing to get on their knees for a quasi fascist regime because they can't mind their own business and keep from wondering what's going on in other people's bedrooms. Religion is something that can't be pushed on to the population. It has to be accepted. Isolationist ideology never ends well. Whatever federal protections we had left will be stripped. But that's OK, we can always trust the corporations to do what's in the best interest of this country.

Jay, seriously, every problem in society is the right's fault? Do you know how arrogant that is? Apparently, you don't. Such a victim card holder mentality, it is sad.

jaydh wrote:

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:Real issue is my wife and I gross around 210,000 a year. Not rich but since Trump passed his tax plans we owe so much in taxes where we never did before. Trumps tax plans cost us money and so many of his followers too but they claim he saves them money. I don't get it

My gross income is about the same and I’m paying taxes out the ass but I’m not a billionaire republican donor. #Freedom

cause middle class pay for everything under GOP. Wealthy get massive breaks so we pay for them and the poor.

The top 1% have more wealth than the entire America middle class and it’s going to get even worse. I’m an annoying a-hole I will be reminding trump voters of their blunder constantly next several years

The Supreme Court will be locked in at conservative majority for the rest of our lifetime.

It is amazing how ignorant 80% of Americans are when it comes to the Judiciary branch of the government. Right wing federal judges are taking away rights, granting trump broad based and ambiguous legal immunity and rewriting the Constitution.

I’m not sure if I have the stats exactly correct but it’s not off by much: near 50% or more of the population in the United States has only a 6th grade education level. I think that’s regarding adults.

This is us.

This is the due to the continuous defunding of the public education system by the right that's been going on most, if not all, of our lives. It's how they consistently have a chance at power by creating a population that is easily duped rather than actually catering to the needs of the people. A more educated population would have better critical thinking and see through the bs.

NYStateOfMind wrote:What is the point of citing that article? Yes, there are and will always be radicals in all facets of life. Those actions are disgusting, no matter who wins an election. The point was the majority of voting Americans spoke and it was time for change and more importantly, national unity. It shouldn't take buildings falling down to bring patriotic Americans back together. I served for a better America for all. God bless America.

newyorknewyork wrote:

CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:Thank God!!!

Yep. Time for some healing and Unity. MAGA

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...

Black college students in several states reported to authorities Wednesday they had received anonymous text messages using racist references to the era of U.S. slavery.

The messages varied in detail, but followed the same basic script, saying the recipient had "been selected to pick cotton at the nearest plantation."

Officials could not say Thursday where the messages originated.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate incidents nationwide, and local authorities in Ohio, Alabama, South Carolina and other states were investigating the messages, which were sent out after the announcement of Donald Trump's election.

Spare me. GOP political figures and talking heads have openly attacked people of color. Attacking diversity equity & inclusion. Claiming people of color are taking jobs and getting college acceptance from affirmative action poc are unqualified for. Which proceeds to generate this type of hate.

This type of rhetoric hasn't hurt political & media careers, but actually got people voted in office and massive tv ratings.

Acting unaware of this as well as all the other hate filled rhetoric spit over the last decade. Acting like it's about unity is disingenuous. The unity u speak of is nothing more than people of color falling in line.

Martin, your words: I don’t operate at that level of ignorance.

Did you not see there was an all out war on Trump to include assassination attempts? It happened judicially too, so we can't believe every aspect of that example. Hell, the telephone game didn't work in elementary school. First person says the sky is purple, last kid says, chickie nuggies taste great because lunchtime was approaching. That is without skewing viewpoints intentionally. People hear and see what they want to see in life, then some intentionally shape that reality to support their viewpoints. Someone sees a President has the White House guard roster and weekly shifts posted with times at his personal residence, then reports that info was being shared and sold to China. We will never know the 100% true, that is between God and the accused. Are these lapses in judgement important, of course. But, we shouldn't just pick and choose based on personal agendas, it should be the same for all. So, since this was so important to you, was the laptop unimportant during the last election? Either both are of grave importance or neither is, yes there can be exceptions, but I don't see this as one of them. Hopefully that makes sense, I'm getting tired from words on my screen.

Google is not everyone's friend, not when it censors content. Sure, when you use it, it may have given you the results you wanted, that wasn't the case for everyone. If I search for big butted Latinas, I want to see all options, not just the Democratic ones. Though they are fine, too. HAHA

Notice, I try to show respect, I don't usually attempt to call people ignorant, nor say their side and point of view are completely to blame. I try to listen to thoughtful discussions and hopefully continue to learn/grow as a man. Enjoy.

martin wrote:You are misreading the below. Read it again to grasp what is being said. I have not stated anything regarding an opinion. I am asking if someone read something.

There are easy ways to look stuff up. If you don’t really care or refuse to do those things but also want to regurgitate whatever, that is the pure definition of ignorance.

After that, things like who had majorities and whatnot are easily referenced. Google is everyone’s friend. You don’t even need to wonder after those things out loud.

If you think what Trump did regard classified documents and what other presidents have done is on equal ground, that’s your lack of information and willingness to set a pretty awful standard on which we should trust our leaders.

Nuclear secrets from other countries - 5 Eyes stuff - were a part of that. You OK with that level of managing our country?

I am not.

NYStateOfMind wrote:Come on, Martin. Just because people have a different opinion than yours, doesn't make them ignorant. Again, this is the root of the real division in this nation. Show the respect you want in return. Usually peace and common ground requires 2 extended hands. Also, this isn't the first President to have classified documents in their home, so why does it only matter when it isn't your party of choice? That is a reality, too.

martin wrote:

CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:

martin wrote:

CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:

Nalod wrote:I have a low opinion for Trumps cognitive ability to stay focused or do much beyond look for adulation to feed his narcissist needs but my hope he rebels against the conservatives that put him power as his pandering was not to his core values. What are they? which He does what he wants. Thus, he moderates to the middle?
Does he have true allegiance? Doubtful. If not already he will turn on Vance not want to leave him much.
He is beholden to Putin who logically has something over him.
Will he go thru with nationwide abortion? I hope not. Does he care really about it? He is soulless so likely not. He does hate women so its possible.
Im baffled by many things so im scraping the barrel for hope.

The Dems Special Prosecutor (Mueller) found nothing on Trump / Russia Russia Russia after 2+ years of investigating. No one was calling the Russia lies in those 2 1/2 years and you are still repeating them as fact.

Trump has to keep his ego in check but it helps in the sense that he wants to be remembered and he is not being blackmailed like many other politicians. He is largely backed by the military. His allegience is to America, clearly. The normal protect your borders, lower taxes, stop endless wars, clean our food and Country up, etc. apply here.

Apparently the majority of Americans found the economy, inflation, securing the border, stopping war instead of funding it, lowering taxes, cleaning up our food & big pharma, etc. more important than abortion and continuing wars.

Stop watching MSM. (Yeah, FOX too.)

You need to read the report.

If Trump wasn’t indicted/arrested, then what’s the point?
Sounds like innocenence.

Everyone has their own approach to life. You don’t want to read what you are purportedly championing. AOK with me, I don’t operate at that level of ignorance, but I’m aware others purposely and overly do so; this happens in life all the time, it’s just a reality.

High level classified documents were stolen from the United States and found all over Trumps residence. It looks like our system of justice is overtly skewed. He will not get convicted of the same things others were immediately jailed for.

This is real life.

Thanks for the link, I checked it out.

Not sure why Bidens info isn't listed on their chart. Looking it over, it states that of the past 16 years, only half of the Obama 1st term, half of Trump 1st term, and half of Biden term, were party aligned. Logically that would suggest that the GOP hold of House and/or Senate will/might change during the 2nd half of the Trump 2nd term.

So, in 16 years, no President has had both the House & Senate for 4 years. You have to go back to Jimmy Carter for the last President to have all 4 years and 50 years before that for a Republican with Coolidge. Part of the checks and balances, not much else to me can be derived for how that played into their Presidencies during the recent 16 years.

Thanks again.

newyorknewyork wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:That wasn't the point, it was about Presidential influence during their term. Someone stated the President doesn't effect certain issues, I disagree. I would be interested in who was President during different majority of House and Senate. Also, how often those 11 and 9 GOP majorities were with Trump/Biden/Obama in term. That could give a clearer picture overall, then we can further discuss how influential they were during their term. Sincerely, I find true facts fascinating and always looking to learn more about life, past or potential future. Lastly, I said 12 of the last 16 years, not sure if going back to 93 was to increase numbers to support your point of view. I was not a political major in college and truly don't know those stats. So, during those 16 years, who was in charge of the House and Senate during those specific Presidencies.

Again, that is why I said for a President to have as much influence as possible they need it all aligned. I don't think that happens often. That was my overall point. Even then, no President will have everything they want passed. It is a system of checks and balances.

newyorknewyork wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:No one person dictates anything, policies with the support of the House/Senate do. What or who does matter for inflation/prices?

So, you honestly believe between you and me, I'm the one connected to China? lol Sorry, I don't chill with Hillary & Hunter at the clurb. Your party has had control for 12 of the last 16 years. If you think the economy and security of America are great, that is living in denial.

As of Sept 2024(not my facts nor do I endorse any internet errors in data), there were 45.1 million registered Democrats to 36 million Republicans. That is 20% more Democrats, yet the election was lost by approximately 4%.

Just because your freely chosen party tells you their facts, doesn't necessarily mean they are facts. The majority of America has spoken, but you choose to speak and not also listen. Post-election, a lot media people are saying the problem is ignorant uneducated men and women(they usually point out whites specifically), racists/misogynists/fascists/nazis, and now black & Latinos, to blame for this loss. Nothing about a weak unlikeable candidate, a poorly run campaign, and the current status of America under her jointly held office and policies she said she wouldn't change on the View.

Is continued views and rhetoric of this nature the path to healing our nation toward unity, to great American patriotism & pride? The nation spoke, so that path didn't work for an election. Instead of blaming the other side, figure out why with a 20% advantage in registered voters, the path taken led your voters to give the other party a 4% majority victory. If you don't learn from the past...

P.S. Usually, it wasn't uncommon when we import goods, the ratio has been as bad as 20 of their units for 1 of ours, like cars to Japan. So, hell no, I don't support China or any other country doing this. I support America & American made. You want to sell 1 car here, you buy one of ours, that is smart business trade. Not letting other countries dictate our economy & policies.

P.S.2 Part of growth, as a person, society, country, and global world, often requires hearing hard truths. No one is perfect. I'm not and we all have room to grow, but that usually happens by listening and trial & error. I know I have and haven't always liked what I heard, but usually, I needed to hear it.

But, why would living in the real world and not just following your party/mainstream media matter? I guess saying the same thing, some screaming and crying, will fix the problem, not the root of the problem(s). Hard work and positive energy more often lead to success than expectations of entitlement and personal agendas.

God bless America, that includes your right to respectfully express opinions.

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President doesn't affect inflation/prices. It's a proven fact the economy performs better under democrat presidents. You clearly are a China fan. Take the US out of world affairs, then China will fill the void.

But, why should facts matter, never do.

Not sure if I'm readying what you wrote correctly. But the GOP has had majority control of the Senate 11 vs 5 over the last 16 cycles from Clinton in 93 to Trump now. GOP has had majority control of the House 9 vs 7 over the last 16 cycles from Clinton in 93 to Trump now.

I went back to 93 because I was born in 84. Clinton is the first political person I was introduced to through media etc.

For overall our look.
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2020/j...

But I have a better understanding of what you were saying. I thought u were saying Dems had control of Presidency and Congress for 12 of the last 16 years.

Not the unity I speak of, maybe of others. And guess what, people on the left do similar things. Unity takes BOTH sides. Bad people exist everywhere, not just with conservatives and people on the right. Humans are flawed, but don't put words in my mouth, as I am rarely lacking in having them with details. I use mine with an informed perspective and with sincerity. I may not always be right, but I never intentionally spew ignorance, hatred, or outright lies. I also admit when I was mistaken.

newyorknewyork wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:What is the point of citing that article? Yes, there are and will always be radicals in all facets of life. Those actions are disgusting, no matter who wins an election. The point was the majority of voting Americans spoke and it was time for change and more importantly, national unity. It shouldn't take buildings falling down to bring patriotic Americans back together. I served for a better America for all. God bless America.

newyorknewyork wrote:

CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:Thank God!!!

Yep. Time for some healing and Unity. MAGA

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...

Black college students in several states reported to authorities Wednesday they had received anonymous text messages using racist references to the era of U.S. slavery.

The messages varied in detail, but followed the same basic script, saying the recipient had "been selected to pick cotton at the nearest plantation."

Officials could not say Thursday where the messages originated.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate incidents nationwide, and local authorities in Ohio, Alabama, South Carolina and other states were investigating the messages, which were sent out after the announcement of Donald Trump's election.

Spare me. GOP political figures and talking heads have openly attacked people of color. Attacking diversity equity & inclusion. Claiming people of color are taking jobs and getting college acceptance from affirmative action poc are unqualified for. Which proceeds to generate this type of hate.

This type of rhetoric hasn't hurt political & media careers, but actually got people voted in office and massive tv ratings.

Acting unaware of this as well as all the other hate filled rhetoric spit over the last decade. Acting like it's about unity is disingenuous. The unity u speak of is nothing more than people of color falling in line.

You know what is a good response to a question asking if you had read something or not? Letting the other person know that you may not have read something and then asking about it more.

Using Google to look up simple things is very easy. Try it.

I am aok with not setting a low low bar of just trying. Trying to read stuff. Trying to look up stuff. Letting others know that maybe you have not read something but are interested in knowing more. It’s easy.

I do not operate in ignorance. I don’t know a lot of things and I ask. And then I ask for opinions and give my own.

Do you not know how to use Google to look up senate majorities and the like?

NYStateOfMind wrote:Martin, your words: I don’t operate at that level of ignorance.

Did you not see there was an all out war on Trump to include assassination attempts? It happened judicially too, so we can't believe every aspect of that example. Hell, the telephone game didn't work in elementary school. First person says the sky is purple, last kid says, chickie nuggies taste great because lunchtime was approaching. That is without skewing viewpoints intentionally. People hear and see what they want to see in life, then some intentionally shape that reality to support their viewpoints. Someone sees a President has the White House guard roster and weekly shifts posted with times at his personal residence, then reports that info was being shared and sold to China. We will never know the 100% true, that is between God and the accused. Are these lapses in judgement important, of course. But, we shouldn't just pick and choose based on personal agendas, it should be the same for all. So, since this was so important to you, was the laptop unimportant during the last election? Either both are of grave importance or neither is, yes there can be exceptions, but I don't see this as one of them. Hopefully that makes sense, I'm getting tired from words on my screen.

Google is not everyone's friend, not when it censors content. Sure, when you use it, it may have given you the results you wanted, that wasn't the case for everyone. If I search for big butted Latinas, I want to see all options, not just the Democratic ones. Though they are fine, too. HAHA

Notice, I try to show respect, I don't usually attempt to call people ignorant, nor say their side and point of view are completely to blame. I try to listen to thoughtful discussions and hopefully continue to learn/grow as a man. Enjoy.

martin wrote:You are misreading the below. Read it again to grasp what is being said. I have not stated anything regarding an opinion. I am asking if someone read something.

There are easy ways to look stuff up. If you don’t really care or refuse to do those things but also want to regurgitate whatever, that is the pure definition of ignorance.

After that, things like who had majorities and whatnot are easily referenced. Google is everyone’s friend. You don’t even need to wonder after those things out loud.

If you think what Trump did regard classified documents and what other presidents have done is on equal ground, that’s your lack of information and willingness to set a pretty awful standard on which we should trust our leaders.

Nuclear secrets from other countries - 5 Eyes stuff - were a part of that. You OK with that level of managing our country?

I am not.

NYStateOfMind wrote:Come on, Martin. Just because people have a different opinion than yours, doesn't make them ignorant. Again, this is the root of the real division in this nation. Show the respect you want in return. Usually peace and common ground requires 2 extended hands. Also, this isn't the first President to have classified documents in their home, so why does it only matter when it isn't your party of choice? That is a reality, too.

martin wrote:

CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:

martin wrote:

CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:

Nalod wrote:I have a low opinion for Trumps cognitive ability to stay focused or do much beyond look for adulation to feed his narcissist needs but my hope he rebels against the conservatives that put him power as his pandering was not to his core values. What are they? which He does what he wants. Thus, he moderates to the middle?
Does he have true allegiance? Doubtful. If not already he will turn on Vance not want to leave him much.
He is beholden to Putin who logically has something over him.
Will he go thru with nationwide abortion? I hope not. Does he care really about it? He is soulless so likely not. He does hate women so its possible.
Im baffled by many things so im scraping the barrel for hope.

The Dems Special Prosecutor (Mueller) found nothing on Trump / Russia Russia Russia after 2+ years of investigating. No one was calling the Russia lies in those 2 1/2 years and you are still repeating them as fact.

Trump has to keep his ego in check but it helps in the sense that he wants to be remembered and he is not being blackmailed like many other politicians. He is largely backed by the military. His allegience is to America, clearly. The normal protect your borders, lower taxes, stop endless wars, clean our food and Country up, etc. apply here.

Apparently the majority of Americans found the economy, inflation, securing the border, stopping war instead of funding it, lowering taxes, cleaning up our food & big pharma, etc. more important than abortion and continuing wars.

Stop watching MSM. (Yeah, FOX too.)

You need to read the report.

If Trump wasn’t indicted/arrested, then what’s the point?
Sounds like innocenence.

Everyone has their own approach to life. You don’t want to read what you are purportedly championing. AOK with me, I don’t operate at that level of ignorance, but I’m aware others purposely and overly do so; this happens in life all the time, it’s just a reality.

High level classified documents were stolen from the United States and found all over Trumps residence. It looks like our system of justice is overtly skewed. He will not get convicted of the same things others were immediately jailed for.

This is real life.

jaydh wrote:

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:Real issue is my wife and I gross around 210,000 a year. Not rich but since Trump passed his tax plans we owe so much in taxes where we never did before. Trumps tax plans cost us money and so many of his followers too but they claim he saves them money. I don't get it

My gross income is about the same and I’m paying taxes out the ass but I’m not a billionaire republican donor. #Freedom

cause middle class pay for everything under GOP. Wealthy get massive breaks so we pay for them and the poor.

The top 1% have more wealth than the entire America middle class and it’s going to get even worse. I’m an annoying a-hole I will be reminding trump voters of their blunder constantly next several years

The Supreme Court will be locked in at conservative majority for the rest of our lifetime.

It is amazing how ignorant 80% of Americans are when it comes to the Judiciary branch of the government. Right wing federal judges are taking away rights, granting trump broad based and ambiguous legal immunity and rewriting the Constitution.

I’m not sure if I have the stats exactly correct but it’s not off by much: near 50% or more of the population in the United States has only a 6th grade education level. I think that’s regarding adults.

This is us.

This is the due to the continuous defunding of the public education system by the right that's been going on most, if not all, of our lives. It's how they consistently have a chance at power by creating a population that is easily duped rather than actually catering to the needs of the people. A more educated population would have better critical thinking and see through the bs.

I don’t mean to be mean but this is not true. And the ignorance is ironic given the topic

Just check some stats. It continues to go up every year. Roughly 30k/student in Ny and mass. Not far off of private school costs w incredibly poor results.

Moreover cost doesn’t correlate to performance the way one might otherwise expect. Many school systems around the world do better w less

And one can step back and ask why should education even cost what it does. Do the math. 25 kids in a class at 30k each. 750k. For a teacher that makes what? To be in a rent free school?

Money isn’t the problem here.

martin wrote:

CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:

martin wrote:

CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:

Nalod wrote:I have a low opinion for Trumps cognitive ability to stay focused or do much beyond look for adulation to feed his narcissist needs but my hope he rebels against the conservatives that put him power as his pandering was not to his core values. What are they? which He does what he wants. Thus, he moderates to the middle?
Does he have true allegiance? Doubtful. If not already he will turn on Vance not want to leave him much.
He is beholden to Putin who logically has something over him.
Will he go thru with nationwide abortion? I hope not. Does he care really about it? He is soulless so likely not. He does hate women so its possible.
Im baffled by many things so im scraping the barrel for hope.

The Dems Special Prosecutor (Mueller) found nothing on Trump / Russia Russia Russia after 2+ years of investigating. No one was calling the Russia lies in those 2 1/2 years and you are still repeating them as fact.

Trump has to keep his ego in check but it helps in the sense that he wants to be remembered and he is not being blackmailed like many other politicians. He is largely backed by the military. His allegience is to America, clearly. The normal protect your borders, lower taxes, stop endless wars, clean our food and Country up, etc. apply here.

Apparently the majority of Americans found the economy, inflation, securing the border, stopping war instead of funding it, lowering taxes, cleaning up our food & big pharma, etc. more important than abortion and continuing wars.

Stop watching MSM. (Yeah, FOX too.)

You need to read the report.

If Trump wasn’t indicted/arrested, then what’s the point?
Sounds like innocenence.

Everyone has their own approach to life. You don’t want to read what you are purportedly championing. AOK with me, I don’t operate at that level of ignorance, but I’m aware others purposely and overly do so; this happens in life all the time, it’s just a reality.

High level classified documents were stolen from the United States and found all over Trumps residence. It looks like our system of justice is overtly skewed. He will not get convicted of the same things others were immediately jailed for.

This is real life.

You’re aware they were at Biden too right? And I’m not even touching hunter influence peddling accusations. Just basic facts that Biden had docs from his VP days

And to clear I hate even mentioning this because I do t likeTrump

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:

martin wrote:

CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:

Nalod wrote:I have a low opinion for Trumps cognitive ability to stay focused or do much beyond look for adulation to feed his narcissist needs but my hope he rebels against the conservatives that put him power as his pandering was not to his core values. What are they? which He does what he wants. Thus, he moderates to the middle?
Does he have true allegiance? Doubtful. If not already he will turn on Vance not want to leave him much.
He is beholden to Putin who logically has something over him.
Will he go thru with nationwide abortion? I hope not. Does he care really about it? He is soulless so likely not. He does hate women so its possible.
Im baffled by many things so im scraping the barrel for hope.

The Dems Special Prosecutor (Mueller) found nothing on Trump / Russia Russia Russia after 2+ years of investigating. No one was calling the Russia lies in those 2 1/2 years and you are still repeating them as fact.

Trump has to keep his ego in check but it helps in the sense that he wants to be remembered and he is not being blackmailed like many other politicians. He is largely backed by the military. His allegience is to America, clearly. The normal protect your borders, lower taxes, stop endless wars, clean our food and Country up, etc. apply here.

Apparently the majority of Americans found the economy, inflation, securing the border, stopping war instead of funding it, lowering taxes, cleaning up our food & big pharma, etc. more important than abortion and continuing wars.

Stop watching MSM. (Yeah, FOX too.)

You need to read the report.

If Trump wasn’t indicted/arrested, then what’s the point?
Sounds like innocenence.

Everyone has their own approach to life. You don’t want to read what you are purportedly championing. AOK with me, I don’t operate at that level of ignorance, but I’m aware others purposely and overly do so; this happens in life all the time, it’s just a reality.

High level classified documents were stolen from the United States and found all over Trumps residence. It looks like our system of justice is overtly skewed. He will not get convicted of the same things others were immediately jailed for.

This is real life.

You’re aware they were at Biden too right? And I’m not even touching hunter influence peddling accusations. Just basic facts that Biden had docs from his VP days

And to clear I hate even mentioning this because I do t likeTrump

Very aware. Very aware that all presidents have this stuff at their residence.

We are all aware of the difference between how other presidents handled the situation and what Trump did, right?

One is akin to accidentally not scanning some groceries at the self checkout line and then realizing it later and doing the right thing. The other is purposely walking out with many full shopping carts and denying it happened.

Was that your understanding?

The dude has top secret classified documents laying around. 5 Eye level stuff.

What was your understanding of what Biden had? And what did he do with them after?

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:

martin wrote:

CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:

Nalod wrote:I have a low opinion for Trumps cognitive ability to stay focused or do much beyond look for adulation to feed his narcissist needs but my hope he rebels against the conservatives that put him power as his pandering was not to his core values. What are they? which He does what he wants. Thus, he moderates to the middle?
Does he have true allegiance? Doubtful. If not already he will turn on Vance not want to leave him much.
He is beholden to Putin who logically has something over him.
Will he go thru with nationwide abortion? I hope not. Does he care really about it? He is soulless so likely not. He does hate women so its possible.
Im baffled by many things so im scraping the barrel for hope.

The Dems Special Prosecutor (Mueller) found nothing on Trump / Russia Russia Russia after 2+ years of investigating. No one was calling the Russia lies in those 2 1/2 years and you are still repeating them as fact.

Trump has to keep his ego in check but it helps in the sense that he wants to be remembered and he is not being blackmailed like many other politicians. He is largely backed by the military. His allegience is to America, clearly. The normal protect your borders, lower taxes, stop endless wars, clean our food and Country up, etc. apply here.

Apparently the majority of Americans found the economy, inflation, securing the border, stopping war instead of funding it, lowering taxes, cleaning up our food & big pharma, etc. more important than abortion and continuing wars.

Stop watching MSM. (Yeah, FOX too.)

You need to read the report.

If Trump wasn’t indicted/arrested, then what’s the point?
Sounds like innocenence.

Everyone has their own approach to life. You don’t want to read what you are purportedly championing. AOK with me, I don’t operate at that level of ignorance, but I’m aware others purposely and overly do so; this happens in life all the time, it’s just a reality.

High level classified documents were stolen from the United States and found all over Trumps residence. It looks like our system of justice is overtly skewed. He will not get convicted of the same things others were immediately jailed for.

This is real life.

You’re aware they were at Biden too right? And I’m not even touching hunter influence peddling accusations. Just basic facts that Biden had docs from his VP days

And to clear I hate even mentioning this because I do t likeTrump

Very aware. Very aware that all presidents have this stuff at their residence.

We are all aware of the difference between how other presidents handled the situation and what Trump did, right?

One is akin to accidentally not scanning some groceries at the self checkout line and then realizing it later and doing the right thing. The other is purposely walking out with many full shopping carts and denying it happened.

Was that your understanding?

The dude has top secret classified documents laying around. 5 Eye level stuff.

What was your understanding of what Biden had? And what did he do with them after?

Let me just start by saying i in no way want to be perceived as defending trump on documents or otherwise. He was a dick about it (surprise surprise)

I also know little about bidens (two) document incidents but I think that because very little was written about it other than it concerned Iran Ukraine and Afghanistan. That said one can surely ask wtf ? Why are these not in govt building. Even schiff said it may have compromised National security

You might also recall way back in Jan feb Hur in reporting on his inquiry had referred to bidens dismissing mental state and media had an absolute eruption. Biden and garland refused to release the interview transcript to Congress. Yet when Biden has a mental meltdown during press debate media acts surprised and says that somehow this was hid by bidens inner circle.

Trump was/is narcissistic psychopath. Biden was/is narcissistic sociopath and also well meaning

We deserve better. The reason we had these two clowns as candidates was because people were attracted to the entertainment value of a good fight like WWE

I don’t have a good solution and I might not have the right villain but I blame legacy media. First they demonstrated you truly can’t trust them and I’m not talking about bias but outright lies by rather and Williams and many others and then in the hunt for clicks and dopamine showjung poor judgment in the way they frame things and sensationalize things

I’m going to not comment further because I really come here for basketball and commenting on politics can get easily misconstrued. If anyone is looking for a recommendation on good media consider The Free Press (unfortunately Free refers to the content and not the price)

My fellow Democrats let's just stop trying to win over Trump supporters. I say this for a myriad of reasons but mostly the futility of it. Only thing that will make them abandon their leader is when they are personally affected and lose something they value. Personally I rather see Trump succeed rather than see calamity ensue. All I decided to do is just see how it goes at this point. I did my part and now just let's see what happens. Yet, trying to change people's minds, nah. Decades of Hannity, Rush, Fox OAN, and more can't be overturned with conversations.