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My fellow Democrats let's just stop trying to win over Trump supporters. I say this for a myriad of reasons but mostly the futility of it. Only thing that will make them abandon their leader is when they are personally affected and lose something they value. Personally I rather see Trump succeed rather than see calamity ensue. All I decided to do is just see how it goes at this point. I did my part and now just let's see what happens. Yet, trying to change people's minds, nah. Decades of Hannity, Rush, Fox OAN, and more can't be overturned with conversations.

NYStateOfMind wrote:How about the top 2 for most of America, the economy and security of our nation? Add lower inflation, rates, and prices plus a safer freedom of speech country works for my life. How about yours?

foosballnick wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:Well, I see not dealing with facts is still part of the problem. A comedian at a Republican rally poorly made fun of Puerto Rico, not directly its people. Real men have no issues with people regardless of sex, color, & sexuality, they care about policies to make their lives better.

NYKBocker wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Not good..

Another exit poll showed a "major reversal" among a key constituency — and could prove ominous for Vice President Kamala Harris.

Latino men are breaking for former President Donald Trump over Harris 54 percent to 44 percent, according to an NBC News exit poll. The outlet called it a "major reversal" from four years ago, when Latino men supported Joe Biden by a whopping 59 percent to 36 percent.

Additionally, Harris's support slipped among Latino women, according to the poll. Harris has a 25-point advantage with that group, down from Biden’s 39-point margin.

The macho men didn't want a woman president. The Puerto Rican outrage didn't move the needle for Latinos. They would rather have a man who insults them than a woman. 🤦‍♂️

Can you be specific on which policies you are referring to that will make your life better?

Those aren't policies. They are stump speeches platitudes espoused by both candidates/sides.

In case you need help....here are examples of policies:

Trump - expand and increase tarriffs from current level
Trump - mass deportation of illegals (up to 15M)
Trump - eliminate the ACA (Obamacare)

Harris - Promote small business via lending expansion
Harris - $25K assistance for first time home buyers
Harris - retain and expand the ACA

Alpha1971 wrote:My fellow Democrats let's just stop trying to win over Trump supporters. I say this for a myriad of reasons but mostly the futility of it. Only thing that will make them abandon their leader is when they are personally affected and lose something they value. Personally I rather see Trump succeed rather than see calamity ensue. All I decided to do is just see how it goes at this point. I did my part and now just let's see what happens. Yet, trying to change people's minds, nah. Decades of Hannity, Rush, Fox OAN, and more can't be overturned with conversations.

Please stop. Its not about winning over Trump supporters. It's about having a voice and continuing to express it on issues and subjects that are important to each of us as individuals. You do you....which as stated in this thread appears to be hoping that God will work it all out......but why tell everyone else what to do or how to feel?

foosballnick wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:My fellow Democrats let's just stop trying to win over Trump supporters. I say this for a myriad of reasons but mostly the futility of it. Only thing that will make them abandon their leader is when they are personally affected and lose something they value. Personally I rather see Trump succeed rather than see calamity ensue. All I decided to do is just see how it goes at this point. I did my part and now just let's see what happens. Yet, trying to change people's minds, nah. Decades of Hannity, Rush, Fox OAN, and more can't be overturned with conversations.

Please stop. Its not about winning over Trump supporters. It's about having a voice and continuing to express it on issues and subjects that are important to each of us as individuals. You do you....which as stated in this thread appears to be hoping that God will work it all out......but why tell everyone else what to do or how to feel?

For your own peace of mind. It was a suggestion not a mandate. Carry on as you will. But I'd recommend taking a few weeks off for your own mental peace. Trump hasn't even taken office. Why not just take a mental health break ? Plus no need to be so hyperbolic ? Who has taken your right to speak on topics ? Come on, man, chill out

Alpha1971 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:My fellow Democrats let's just stop trying to win over Trump supporters. I say this for a myriad of reasons but mostly the futility of it. Only thing that will make them abandon their leader is when they are personally affected and lose something they value. Personally I rather see Trump succeed rather than see calamity ensue. All I decided to do is just see how it goes at this point. I did my part and now just let's see what happens. Yet, trying to change people's minds, nah. Decades of Hannity, Rush, Fox OAN, and more can't be overturned with conversations.

Please stop. Its not about winning over Trump supporters. It's about having a voice and continuing to express it on issues and subjects that are important to each of us as individuals. You do you....which as stated in this thread appears to be hoping that God will work it all out......but why tell everyone else what to do or how to feel?

For your own peace of mind. It was a suggestion not a mandate. Carry on as you will. But I'd recommend taking a few weeks off for your own mental peace. Trump hasn't even taken office. Why not just take a mental health break ? Plus no need to be so hyperbolic ? Who has taken your right to speak on topics ? Come on, man, chill out

We are all anonymous here. You don't know me. You know nothing about me, how I may feel, whether I am chill or angry, my family, my finances, my situation, my politics, my job, my friends nor how policies at a POTUS level may impact me in a positive or negative way. Based on that level of somewhere between zero and very low information, why would you think it prudent to make recommendations regarding peace, mental health or what I should do with my time?

Further - this I see as one of the biggest problems in society and elections with the emergence of social media. Low information opinions and recommendations have become wide spread.

NYStateOfMind wrote:Not the unity I speak of, maybe of others. And guess what, people on the left do similar things. Unity takes BOTH sides. Bad people exist everywhere, not just with conservatives and people on the right. Humans are flawed, but don't put words in my mouth, as I am rarely lacking in having them with details. I use mine with an informed perspective and with sincerity. I may not always be right, but I never intentionally spew ignorance, hatred, or outright lies. I also admit when I was mistaken.

newyorknewyork wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:What is the point of citing that article? Yes, there are and will always be radicals in all facets of life. Those actions are disgusting, no matter who wins an election. The point was the majority of voting Americans spoke and it was time for change and more importantly, national unity. It shouldn't take buildings falling down to bring patriotic Americans back together. I served for a better America for all. God bless America.

newyorknewyork wrote:

CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:Thank God!!!

Yep. Time for some healing and Unity. MAGA

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...

Black college students in several states reported to authorities Wednesday they had received anonymous text messages using racist references to the era of U.S. slavery.

The messages varied in detail, but followed the same basic script, saying the recipient had "been selected to pick cotton at the nearest plantation."

Officials could not say Thursday where the messages originated.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate incidents nationwide, and local authorities in Ohio, Alabama, South Carolina and other states were investigating the messages, which were sent out after the announcement of Donald Trump's election.

Spare me. GOP political figures and talking heads have openly attacked people of color. Attacking diversity equity & inclusion. Claiming people of color are taking jobs and getting college acceptance from affirmative action poc are unqualified for. Which proceeds to generate this type of hate.

This type of rhetoric hasn't hurt political & media careers, but actually got people voted in office and massive tv ratings.

Acting unaware of this as well as all the other hate filled rhetoric spit over the last decade. Acting like it's about unity is disingenuous. The unity u speak of is nothing more than people of color falling in line.

I'm really not trying to be an ass. But you gotta understand that this does not matter. If you voted for the GOP. You either voted without doing full due diligence. Which the consequences of that, and the people who will be affected by it is on you, and everyone who voted for them. Or you did and either did not care, or was not a deal breaker for you.

But I will say this. It's all talk right now. Proof is in the results. I am more than ready and happy to be wrong.

Let's see where employment, college acceptance, crime, & incarceration rates, police brutality and quality of life for POC are 4 years from now. But I am already pretty sure that if these numbers aren't favorable, the playbook for built in excuses have already been long established.

Alpha1971 wrote:My fellow Democrats let's just stop trying to win over Trump supporters. I say this for a myriad of reasons but mostly the futility of it. Only thing that will make them abandon their leader is when they are personally affected and lose something they value. Personally I rather see Trump succeed rather than see calamity ensue. All I decided to do is just see how it goes at this point. I did my part and now just let's see what happens. Yet, trying to change people's minds, nah. Decades of Hannity, Rush, Fox OAN, and more can't be overturned with conversations.

Trump’s second term is going to be far worse than his first term. Prices of consumer goods and gas won’t be going down in fact in some cases they will be going up. In addition the upcoming Russian annexation of Ukraine, Israeli annexation of the West Bank will sicken people oh and there’s also the two upcoming wars that will actually involve US military ground forces in Iran and Mexico. But hey those tariffs will definitely keep prices down!

foosballnick wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:My fellow Democrats let's just stop trying to win over Trump supporters. I say this for a myriad of reasons but mostly the futility of it. Only thing that will make them abandon their leader is when they are personally affected and lose something they value. Personally I rather see Trump succeed rather than see calamity ensue. All I decided to do is just see how it goes at this point. I did my part and now just let's see what happens. Yet, trying to change people's minds, nah. Decades of Hannity, Rush, Fox OAN, and more can't be overturned with conversations.

Please stop. Its not about winning over Trump supporters. It's about having a voice and continuing to express it on issues and subjects that are important to each of us as individuals. You do you....which as stated in this thread appears to be hoping that God will work it all out......but why tell everyone else what to do or how to feel?

For your own peace of mind. It was a suggestion not a mandate. Carry on as you will. But I'd recommend taking a few weeks off for your own mental peace. Trump hasn't even taken office. Why not just take a mental health break ? Plus no need to be so hyperbolic ? Who has taken your right to speak on topics ? Come on, man, chill out

We are all anonymous here. You don't know me. You know nothing about me, how I may feel, whether I am chill or angry, my family, my finances, my situation, my politics, my job, my friends nor how policies at a POTUS level may impact me in a positive or negative way. Based on that level of somewhere between zero and very low information, why would you think it prudent to make recommendations regarding peace, mental health or what I should do with my time?

Further - this I see as one of the biggest problems in society and elections with the emergence of social media. Low information opinions and recommendations have become wide spread.

Exhaust yourself with worry all you want. Enjoy it even. Or is it self righteousness that's your angle. Whatever do you. I just suggested a break from worry for a few weeks. Your offended that I said just relax for a little while. Time will determine everything regardless of your exposition or mine.

Philc1 wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:My fellow Democrats let's just stop trying to win over Trump supporters. I say this for a myriad of reasons but mostly the futility of it. Only thing that will make them abandon their leader is when they are personally affected and lose something they value. Personally I rather see Trump succeed rather than see calamity ensue. All I decided to do is just see how it goes at this point. I did my part and now just let's see what happens. Yet, trying to change people's minds, nah. Decades of Hannity, Rush, Fox OAN, and more can't be overturned with conversations.

Trump’s second term is going to be far worse than his first term. Prices of consumer goods and gas won’t be going down in fact in some cases they will be going up. In addition the upcoming Russian annexation of Ukraine, Israeli annexation of the West Bank will sicken people oh and there’s also the two upcoming wars that will actually involve US military ground forces in Iran and Mexico. But hey those tariffs will definitely keep prices down!

It likely will be much worse, no doubt about it. But it's happening, only positive is that, conservative ideology will be on full display. Perhaps for an other two or three terms
. So those not as interested in actual policy will get to live it, experience it, so the Dems get to make a cogent argument that resonates. We are at this point of history. Nothing will convince s Republican that their ideology is wrong except living thru failure. It is what it is at this point

Very good news already.

Some more.

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The World Health Organization has become nothing more than a corrupt globalist scam, paid for by the United States, but owned and controlled by China.

When the China virus reached our shores, the World Health Organization disgracefully covered the tracks of the Chinese Communist Party every single step of the way.

For this reason, it was my great honor to terminate America's relationship with the World Health Organization…>

Unfortunately, crooked Joe Biden foolishly re-entered the World Health Organization…>

And now Biden had pushed to bypass the United States Senate to enter a Pandemic Treaty that would surrender American sovereignty to the World Health Organization, again, controlled by China…>”

AS PRESIDENT, I Will:

• Immediately terminate that treaty
• Not allow public health to be used as a pretext to advance the march of global government.
• Withdraw from the corrupt World Health Organization.
• Work to forge a new coalition of nations that are strongly committed to protecting health, while also upholding sovereignty and freedom.

“They were so anxious to get the United States back after I terminated the agreement.

They were so anxious to get it back that they offered me a deal, $25 to $30 million. And I said, NO, I'll wait.”

NYStateOfMind wrote:Thanks for the link, I checked it out.

Not sure why Bidens info isn't listed on their chart. Looking it over, it states that of the past 16 years, only half of the Obama 1st term, half of Trump 1st term, and half of Biden term, were party aligned. Logically that would suggest that the GOP hold of House and/or Senate will/might change during the 2nd half of the Trump 2nd term.

So, in 16 years, no President has had both the House & Senate for 4 years. You have to go back to Jimmy Carter for the last President to have all 4 years and 50 years before that for a Republican with Coolidge. Part of the checks and balances, not much else to me can be derived for how that played into their Presidencies during the recent 16 years.

Thanks again.

newyorknewyork wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:That wasn't the point, it was about Presidential influence during their term. Someone stated the President doesn't effect certain issues, I disagree. I would be interested in who was President during different majority of House and Senate. Also, how often those 11 and 9 GOP majorities were with Trump/Biden/Obama in term. That could give a clearer picture overall, then we can further discuss how influential they were during their term. Sincerely, I find true facts fascinating and always looking to learn more about life, past or potential future. Lastly, I said 12 of the last 16 years, not sure if going back to 93 was to increase numbers to support your point of view. I was not a political major in college and truly don't know those stats. So, during those 16 years, who was in charge of the House and Senate during those specific Presidencies.

Again, that is why I said for a President to have as much influence as possible they need it all aligned. I don't think that happens often. That was my overall point. Even then, no President will have everything they want passed. It is a system of checks and balances.

newyorknewyork wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:No one person dictates anything, policies with the support of the House/Senate do. What or who does matter for inflation/prices?

So, you honestly believe between you and me, I'm the one connected to China? lol Sorry, I don't chill with Hillary & Hunter at the clurb. Your party has had control for 12 of the last 16 years. If you think the economy and security of America are great, that is living in denial.

As of Sept 2024(not my facts nor do I endorse any internet errors in data), there were 45.1 million registered Democrats to 36 million Republicans. That is 20% more Democrats, yet the election was lost by approximately 4%.

Just because your freely chosen party tells you their facts, doesn't necessarily mean they are facts. The majority of America has spoken, but you choose to speak and not also listen. Post-election, a lot media people are saying the problem is ignorant uneducated men and women(they usually point out whites specifically), racists/misogynists/fascists/nazis, and now black & Latinos, to blame for this loss. Nothing about a weak unlikeable candidate, a poorly run campaign, and the current status of America under her jointly held office and policies she said she wouldn't change on the View.

Is continued views and rhetoric of this nature the path to healing our nation toward unity, to great American patriotism & pride? The nation spoke, so that path didn't work for an election. Instead of blaming the other side, figure out why with a 20% advantage in registered voters, the path taken led your voters to give the other party a 4% majority victory. If you don't learn from the past...

P.S. Usually, it wasn't uncommon when we import goods, the ratio has been as bad as 20 of their units for 1 of ours, like cars to Japan. So, hell no, I don't support China or any other country doing this. I support America & American made. You want to sell 1 car here, you buy one of ours, that is smart business trade. Not letting other countries dictate our economy & policies.

P.S.2 Part of growth, as a person, society, country, and global world, often requires hearing hard truths. No one is perfect. I'm not and we all have room to grow, but that usually happens by listening and trial & error. I know I have and haven't always liked what I heard, but usually, I needed to hear it.

But, why would living in the real world and not just following your party/mainstream media matter? I guess saying the same thing, some screaming and crying, will fix the problem, not the root of the problem(s). Hard work and positive energy more often lead to success than expectations of entitlement and personal agendas.

God bless America, that includes your right to respectfully express opinions.

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President doesn't affect inflation/prices. It's a proven fact the economy performs better under democrat presidents. You clearly are a China fan. Take the US out of world affairs, then China will fill the void.

But, why should facts matter, never do.

Not sure if I'm readying what you wrote correctly. But the GOP has had majority control of the Senate 11 vs 5 over the last 16 cycles from Clinton in 93 to Trump now. GOP has had majority control of the House 9 vs 7 over the last 16 cycles from Clinton in 93 to Trump now.

I went back to 93 because I was born in 84. Clinton is the first political person I was introduced to through media etc.

For overall our look.
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2020/j...

But I have a better understanding of what you were saying. I thought u were saying Dems had control of Presidency and Congress for 12 of the last 16 years.

GOP are way better at marketing, but worse at actually governing as proven by the results over the last 50 years. Dems are worse at marketing, but better at actually governing, still with many flaws though. So it becomes an constant cycle of Dems doing better governing of overall big picture. But GOP's amazing marketing platform then convinces Americans that Dems are Fing up bad. GOP takes control, but their governing and policy actually goes against the desires of the majority outside of a couple identity politics.

But as it stands right now. GOP has control of House, Senate, Presidency & Supreme Court(For the rest of anyone 40 and ups probable lifetime).

So it's ALL on their ability to actually govern, and no other excuses they can attempt to make.

Marketing wise, any failures they can attempt to blame on deep state operatives. For example they strip away protections for natural disasters. Then when a natural disaster destroys parts of the United States. Marketing will claim deep state operatives are secretly using their control of weather to attack GOP governance so that public loses faith in them and Dems are able to regain power. Or when protections are taken away for diseases outbreaks like a future Covid. Then if we get hit with another outbreak, which has higher odds of happening with the amount of deregulation about to be going on among corporations. Marketing will claim that deep state operatives are secretly using their powers to attack and screw with the GOP governance to regain power. Etc Etc Etc.

Anyway this was a great listen

Alpha1971 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:My fellow Democrats let's just stop trying to win over Trump supporters. I say this for a myriad of reasons but mostly the futility of it. Only thing that will make them abandon their leader is when they are personally affected and lose something they value. Personally I rather see Trump succeed rather than see calamity ensue. All I decided to do is just see how it goes at this point. I did my part and now just let's see what happens. Yet, trying to change people's minds, nah. Decades of Hannity, Rush, Fox OAN, and more can't be overturned with conversations.

Please stop. Its not about winning over Trump supporters. It's about having a voice and continuing to express it on issues and subjects that are important to each of us as individuals. You do you....which as stated in this thread appears to be hoping that God will work it all out......but why tell everyone else what to do or how to feel?

For your own peace of mind. It was a suggestion not a mandate. Carry on as you will. But I'd recommend taking a few weeks off for your own mental peace. Trump hasn't even taken office. Why not just take a mental health break ? Plus no need to be so hyperbolic ? Who has taken your right to speak on topics ? Come on, man, chill out

We are all anonymous here. You don't know me. You know nothing about me, how I may feel, whether I am chill or angry, my family, my finances, my situation, my politics, my job, my friends nor how policies at a POTUS level may impact me in a positive or negative way. Based on that level of somewhere between zero and very low information, why would you think it prudent to make recommendations regarding peace, mental health or what I should do with my time?

Further - this I see as one of the biggest problems in society and elections with the emergence of social media. Low information opinions and recommendations have become wide spread.

Exhaust yourself with worry all you want. Enjoy it even. Or is it self righteousness that's your angle. Whatever do you. I just suggested a break from worry for a few w3ls.

Again, you continue making opinionated recommendations based on assumptions with zero to low information. Your assumption being that I'm fraught with worry or caught up in self righteousness.....rather than my real motive here which is to rebut people like you who make comments aimed at trying to stifle the voices/words of others and who present recommendations with zero to low information. Here's a hint....I agree with Martin in this thread regarding doing the research. Here's another tip....Trump's policies and actions are unlikely to hurt me personally. That being said, he spoke often and over again about vengence and even based on his first term - surrounding himself with sychophants who are loyal to him rather than the country or constitution. I would certainly question the motives or information of anyone who would not take pause and look into this, remain vigilant and even challenge this for potential adverse impacts to the country, constitution and our future

NYStateOfMind wrote:Most people could care less what goes on in anyone's bedroom, even respectfully outside of it. I sure don't, yes some do. Just don't push agendas in places they don't belong. I don't have all day, so I won't get into specifics. Most issue and every type of person in life deserve representation. The answer is not over-representation of agendas for mistakes of the past. For me, just using a number as I don't know the true number, if 8% of the nation is in the LGBT+ community, then everything we see should have that same ratio to reflect real life, same with ethnicities and religion. Sure they can be exceptions for specific pieces, but don't expect America to love it, then blame them when they don't. Same thing is happening right now post-election. Stating nothing was wrong with this Democrat campaign, it is the other sides fault. Change comes with reflection for both good and the bad we do as humans, not from blame and denial.

Ex. Disney thought there wasn't enough representation of the LGBT+ community in their product, I agree, it didn't reflect our society. So, they over-hired, not based on the best candidate, but for the change agenda they wanted. Then, instead of creating their own original series, they latched on to a generational franchise like Star Wars. They pushed to an extreme and gave us the Acolyte. They pushed, not just in alienating their near 50 year audience, but disrespecting the source material and making the Star Wars universe mostly unrecognizable. It was an utter disaster, not because it was review bombed, because it was trash. Poorly written, acted, and resources poorly spent. It lacked true substance, remind you of anything?

This country is founded on freedom of religion, the majority of voting Americans are not pushing religion on you. Federal protections for what? Trust the corporations, like the ones that have interfered in this and prior elections: Facebook/Twitter/mainstream Media/ABC/NBC/CBS/PBS/Washington Post/New York Times, to name a few. Oh, let me guess, it is only the corporations like Fox/X that you are mocking, isn't that hypocritical?

The future hopefully requires common ground, not more division and hate. Also, can we grow up with the Nazi rhetoric still being peddled? It is so disrespectful to the Jewish & other communities, who dealt with actual atrocities. He was already President for 4 years, none of that happened, nor will. It is just fear-mongering and as usual, it failed in this election and hopefully will continue in the future. Fear will not fix what is broken, solid issues and policies plus civility with mutual respect will. I truly hope we get to a better place as a society for all. God bless you all.

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Philc1 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

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Alpha1971 wrote:Real issue is my wife and I gross around 210,000 a year. Not rich but since Trump passed his tax plans we owe so much in taxes where we never did before. Trumps tax plans cost us money and so many of his followers too but they claim he saves them money. I don't get it

My gross income is about the same and I’m paying taxes out the ass but I’m not a billionaire republican donor. #Freedom

cause middle class pay for everything under GOP. Wealthy get massive breaks so we pay for them and the poor.

The top 1% have more wealth than the entire America middle class and it’s going to get even worse. I’m an annoying a-hole I will be reminding trump voters of their blunder constantly next several years

The Supreme Court will be locked in at conservative majority for the rest of our lifetime.

It is amazing how ignorant 80% of Americans are when it comes to the Judiciary branch of the government.

It's amazing how many Americans are willing to get on their knees for a quasi fascist regime because they can't mind their own business and keep from wondering what's going on in other people's bedrooms. Religion is something that can't be pushed on to the population. It has to be accepted. Isolationist ideology never ends well. Whatever federal protections we had left will be stripped. But that's OK, we can always trust the corporations to do what's in the best interest of this country.

I'm glad you don't care what's going on in other people's bedrooms. But there is strong contingent that does and their agenda is to push their views on the rest of the country. That's a fact, just like they're are a strong contingent of isolationists that have Trump's ear that are primed to push their agenda. You may have your reasons for who you are voting for. But in doing so you also three in you support with a number of groups whose ideals and values are anything but constitutional.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/wh...

As for Disney, nobody is forcing you to watch the Mandolorian, Acolyte or whatever other pile of middling crap that Star Wars has thrown at us in recent years.. Obi Wan, which also sucked, featured a white male protagonist. I don't understand why people are making an example of one out of a number of middling TV shows Disney has put out. What exactly is wrong with with representation in television or the arts in general? There's nothing intrinsically political about this. Disney is a corporation and it's job is to make money for its shareholders. The only color it sees is green.

Hasn't even been sworn in and I'm already looking at being phucked in more ways than one.
https://gizmodo.com/trumps-proposed-tari...

Trump’s Proposed Tariffs Will Hit Gamers Hard

During the campaign, Trump said he’d impose a baseline 60% tariff on Chinese exports. If he does that, the price of all the stuff gamers love is going to go up. Laptop prices could spike by almost 50%. The cost of video game consoles could rise around 40%, making the upcoming PS5 Pro cost almost $1,000. The Switch 2 may be backward compatible, but it may cost quite a bit more than the original.

Trump campaigned on punishing China for a perceived trade imbalance with the United States. It was a winning issue for him in his original campaign, and one he acted on, and he spent time on the campaign trail saying he’d do it again. Trump’s broad plan is to encourage a return of U.S. manufacturing through restrictive tariffs. A tariff is a flat tax on a trade good. Trump’s two big proposals are a 10% to 20% import tariff on all goods from other countries and a 60% tariff on goods from China.

CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:Very good news already.

Some more.

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The World Health Organization has become nothing more than a corrupt globalist scam, paid for by the United States, but owned and controlled by China.

When the China virus reached our shores, the World Health Organization disgracefully covered the tracks of the Chinese Communist Party every single step of the way.

For this reason, it was my great honor to terminate America's relationship with the World Health Organization…>

Unfortunately, crooked Joe Biden foolishly re-entered the World Health Organization…>

And now Biden had pushed to bypass the United States Senate to enter a Pandemic Treaty that would surrender American sovereignty to the World Health Organization, again, controlled by China…>”

AS PRESIDENT, I Will:

• Immediately terminate that treaty
• Not allow public health to be used as a pretext to advance the march of global government.
• Withdraw from the corrupt World Health Organization.
• Work to forge a new coalition of nations that are strongly committed to protecting health, while also upholding sovereignty and freedom.

“They were so anxious to get the United States back after I terminated the agreement.

They were so anxious to get it back that they offered me a deal, $25 to $30 million. And I said, NO, I'll wait.”

Remember when Trump tried to get Zelensky to make up shit against Biden?
Ukraine is very dependent on U.S. aide and trump being Putins bitch and likes have is ass kissed no doubt was in Zelensky's best interest to cal him up and be a polite dude. Zelensky put his own ego aside for the betterment of his people.

The market has been making new highs the better part of this year in the Biden era. Biden does not take credit for it. But two days in petty MAGA heads are? A contentious election brings uncertainty. Any election that was thought to perhaps not have an outcome known would have been "Uncertain". Trump will lower corp tax rates. It will help the market. It will add to the deficit. Back int he 50's and 60's, you know when mothers stayed home and cleaned the house, Black Americans were segregated, dad drank and surpassed his emotions, and the middle class worked for big companies who had pensions but paid a much larger % of tax revenue in this country but still made a shit ton of money, we had lower deficits. And we sent our lower socio economic boys off to wars to fight communism.
You know, the good old days when Joseph Mcarthy ruined lives, Pedophilia was suppressed at home and at church, Mom took diet pills and went nuts, and we had mental hospitals to intern our defected offspring! When Divorced women could not get a credit card and women were not paid fair wages for their work. Back then a man could beat his wife too and not get arrested!!!!Ah, "Make America Great!"

The big one for me is women rights to control their bodies. If my daughter gets pregnant and needs to abort to save her life and cannot, or dies because she needed an emergency abortion that is stepping way over the line. Amendment 25 is fucked up.

Here is bad thought, RFK and repeat of Covid not allow me to get a vaccine? Im not saying mandate it. If one is against it thats their business. I think insurance companies should be compensated for higher risk. I think its unfair for others to pay for those who want that freedom.

Also, what if a bad actor unleashes a virus? You think the covid scenario (under trump) will be better with RFK in charge? Great way for China to fuck us up if in their best instructs to do so. What happens to our stock market then? Nobody Is dancing in the streets then boasting how good Trump is. RFK not into Science is he? Remember the great America got rid of Polio, Measles, small pox, etc.

Can't cherry pick the good from the bad without the reality of it all. Trump can be an awful person but be a good president. Great men are not always good Presidents (Jimmy Carter) and great presidents (FDR) are not good men.

The reality is inflation sucks but it was created to keep the economies going after covid interruption. The The recession of early 2000's, then when all was getting good the financial crisis in 2008. Folks were finally getting ahead before Covid. I get people vote. with their pocketbook. Home prices are nuts, rents are going up, and its eating peoples salary. Nalod home is paid for, cars are paid for, and Im comfortable. I can afford to not vote from my pocketbook. Get what's going on and feel for those struggling.
If trump can "FIX IT", thats great. I don't think Biden broke it BTW. Nor did I believe Harris would have fixed it either.

NYStateOfMind wrote:Not the unity I speak of, maybe of others. And guess what, people on the left do similar things. Unity takes BOTH sides. Bad people exist everywhere, not just with conservatives and people on the right. Humans are flawed, but don't put words in my mouth, as I am rarely lacking in having them with details. I use mine with an informed perspective and with sincerity. I may not always be right, but I never intentionally spew ignorance, hatred, or outright lies. I also admit when I was mistaken.

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NYStateOfMind wrote:What is the point of citing that article? Yes, there are and will always be radicals in all facets of life. Those actions are disgusting, no matter who wins an election. The point was the majority of voting Americans spoke and it was time for change and more importantly, national unity. It shouldn't take buildings falling down to bring patriotic Americans back together. I served for a better America for all. God bless America.

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NYStateOfMind wrote:Thank God!!!

Yep. Time for some healing and Unity. MAGA

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...

Black college students in several states reported to authorities Wednesday they had received anonymous text messages using racist references to the era of U.S. slavery.

The messages varied in detail, but followed the same basic script, saying the recipient had "been selected to pick cotton at the nearest plantation."

Officials could not say Thursday where the messages originated.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate incidents nationwide, and local authorities in Ohio, Alabama, South Carolina and other states were investigating the messages, which were sent out after the announcement of Donald Trump's election.

Spare me. GOP political figures and talking heads have openly attacked people of color. Attacking diversity equity & inclusion. Claiming people of color are taking jobs and getting college acceptance from affirmative action poc are unqualified for. Which proceeds to generate this type of hate.

This type of rhetoric hasn't hurt political & media careers, but actually got people voted in office and massive tv ratings.

Acting unaware of this as well as all the other hate filled rhetoric spit over the last decade. Acting like it's about unity is disingenuous. The unity u speak of is nothing more than people of color falling in line.

Unity generally requires compromise by all sides. When used in political terms I find it generally to be a talking point of the "winner" side who want the "loser" side to STFU, suck it up and cave to the winner agenda. This is why there generally is no Unity as the winners are mainly interested in passing their own agenda and not compromise. If you've read Trump's Art of the Deal, you would know he believes in a Zero Sum game.....meaning no compromise. It would be delusional to think an almost 80 year old man would change his stripes. The country is approximately 45% Republican, 45% Democrat and 10% other/independant. Trump spoke a lot of vengeance on the campaign trail....not sure how this will turn out, but if he does not preach unity and compromise....we will likely not reach that during this term. He will likely reverse much of the Biden agenda....and the next Democrat POTUS will then reverse the Trump agenda. More of the same over and over again until a leader actually reaches out and cares what the other side wants and implements based on the overall benefit of the populace.

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Alpha1971 wrote:My fellow Democrats let's just stop trying to win over Trump supporters. I say this for a myriad of reasons but mostly the futility of it. Only thing that will make them abandon their leader is when they are personally affected and lose something they value. Personally I rather see Trump succeed rather than see calamity ensue. All I decided to do is just see how it goes at this point. I did my part and now just let's see what happens. Yet, trying to change people's minds, nah. Decades of Hannity, Rush, Fox OAN, and more can't be overturned with conversations.

Please stop. Its not about winning over Trump supporters. It's about having a voice and continuing to express it on issues and subjects that are important to each of us as individuals. You do you....which as stated in this thread appears to be hoping that God will work it all out......but why tell everyone else what to do or how to feel?

For your own peace of mind. It was a suggestion not a mandate. Carry on as you will. But I'd recommend taking a few weeks off for your own mental peace. Trump hasn't even taken office. Why not just take a mental health break ? Plus no need to be so hyperbolic ? Who has taken your right to speak on topics ? Come on, man, chill out

We are all anonymous here. You don't know me. You know nothing about me, how I may feel, whether I am chill or angry, my family, my finances, my situation, my politics, my job, my friends nor how policies at a POTUS level may impact me in a positive or negative way. Based on that level of somewhere between zero and very low information, why would you think it prudent to make recommendations regarding peace, mental health or what I should do with my time?

Further - this I see as one of the biggest problems in society and elections with the emergence of social media. Low information opinions and recommendations have become wide spread.

Exhaust yourself with worry all you want. Enjoy it even. Or is it self righteousness that's your angle. Whatever do you. I just suggested a break from worry for a few w3ls.

Again, you continue making opinionated recommendations based on assumptions with zero to low information. Your assumption being that I'm fraught with worry or caught up in self righteousness.....rather than my real motive here which is to rebut people like you who make comments aimed at trying to stifle the voices/words of others and who present recommendations with zero to low information. Here's a hint....I agree with Martin in this thread regarding doing the research. Here's another tip....Trump's policies and actions are unlikely to hurt me personally. That being said, he spoke often and over again about vengence and even based on his first term - surrounding himself with sychophants who are loyal to him rather than the country or constitution. I would certainly question the motives or information of anyone who would not take pause and look into this, remain vigilant and even challenge this for potential adverse impacts to the country, constitution and our future

You have not written anything to convince me your not simply just commiting some form of intellectual masturbation. Oh it's hard being you with all your dedication to democracy. While the rest of us just sit on our hands, while you write essays on a Knicks forum about your commitment to our nation. I stand behind my statement, conservatives will have their shot to enact what ever they want. It's up to the populace to wake up after 4 years or possibly more, to see if it's been beneficial to them and adjust accordingly. Progressives have to be smart, pick their battles, and be patient. Brow beating others,being self righteous turns off Republicans and Independents and doesn't address what caused this result. Your offended at me why exactly ? I supported the right candidate, have articulated the same points you likely did I even believe, you concurred with me some time ago with enthusiasm. I won't be phased by a cleverly crafted attempt to burn me with sarcasm, so don't bother with that tactic. I'm too old and seen too much in life for that.

Interesting theory as to why so many voters soured on Biden’s stewardship of the economy, which also sunk Harris

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...

I propose a different explanation than inflation qua inflation: the Covid welfare state and its collapse. The massive, almost overnight expansion of the social safety net and its rapid, almost overnight rollback are materially one of the biggest policy changes in American history. For a brief period, and for the first time in history, Americans had a robust safety net: strong protections for workers and tenants, extremely generous unemployment benefits, rent control and direct cash transfers from the American government.

Despite the trauma and death of Covid and the isolation of lockdowns, from late 2020 to early 2021, Americans briefly experienced the freedom of social democracy. They had enough liquid money to plan long term and make spending decisions for their own pleasure rather than just to survive. They had the labor protections to look for the jobs they wanted rather than feel stuck in the jobs they had. At the end of Trump’s term, the American standard of living and the amount of economic security and freedom Americans had was higher than when it started, and, with the loss of this expanded welfare state, it was worse when Biden left office, despite his real policy wins for workers and unions. This is why voters view Trump as a better shepherd of the economy.

It’s important to note that Trump is resolutely not a social democrat, and these policies came into place during an emergency rather than due to ideological conviction. Indeed, he is currently running on the largest upward transfer of wealth in American history and Republicans’ Project 2025 would decimate the social safety net and immiserate millions. Beyond this, Biden wanted to continue many of these policies, but there wasn’t a political pathway. Instead, they quietly expired. To voters, however, the material reality is that when Trump left office, this safety net existed, and by the time of the 2024 election, it had evaporated.

How could Democrats have countered this? One way was by making it a central issue, fighting publicly and openly to keep these protections and messaging heavily and constantly that Republicans were taking them away while Biden fought for them. An enormous body of research has established that social programs, when implemented, are difficult and highly unpopular to take away. These were universal programs, beneficial at all income levels.

The political miscalculation the Biden administration made was that, lacking the political ability to implement these policies permanently, it was best to have them expire quietly and avoid the public backlash of gutting welfare programs and the black mark of taking a public political loss. This was a grave miscalculation.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/09/opini...

Everyone has a moment when they first realized that Donald Trump might well return, and here is mine. It was back in March, during a visit to the Smithsonian’s National Portrait Gallery, when I happened to read the explanatory text beside an old painting. This note described the westward advance of the United States in the 19th century as “settler colonialism.” I read it and I knew instantly where this nation was going.

My problem with this bit of academic jargon was not that it was wrong, per se, or that President Biden was somehow responsible for putting it there, but rather that it offered a glimpse of our poisoned class relations. Some curator at one of our most exalted institutions of public instruction had decided to use a currently fashionable, morally loaded academic keyword to address a visitor to the museum — say, a family from the Midwest, doing the round of national shrines — and teach them a lesson about American wickedness.

Twenty years ago I published a book about politics in my home state of Kansas where white, working-class voters seemed to be drifting into the arms of right-wing movements. I attributed this, in large part, to the culture wars, which the right framed in terms of working-class agony. Look at how these powerful people insult our values!, went the plaint, whether they were talking about the theory of evolution or the war on Christmas.

This was worth pointing out because working people were once the heart and soul of left-wing parties all over the world. It may seem like a distant memory, but not long ago, the left was not a movement of college professors, bankers or high-ranking officers at Uber or Amazon. Working people: That’s what parties of the left were very largely about. The same folks who just expressed such remarkable support for Donald Trump.

My Kansas story was mainly about Republicans, but I also wrote about the way the Democrats were gradually turning away from working people and their concerns. Just think of all those ebullient Democratic proclamations in the ’90s about trade and tech and globalization and financial innovation. What a vision they had: All those manifestoes about futurific “wired workers” or the “learning class” … all those speeches about how Democrats had to leave the worker-centric populism of the 1930s behind them … all those brilliant triangulations and reaching out to the right. When I was young, it felt like every rising leader in the Democratic Party was making those points. That was the way to win voters in what they called “the center,” the well-educated suburbanites and computer-literate professionals whom everybody admired.

Well, those tech-minded Democrats got exactly what they set out to get, and now here we are. At the Republican convention in July, JD Vance described the ruination visited on his working-class town in Ohio by NAFTA and trade with China, both of which he blamed at least in part on Mr. Biden, and also the human toll taken by the Iraq War, which he also contrived to blame on Mr. Biden. Today Mr. Vance is the vice president-elect, and what I hope you will understand, what I want you to mull over and take to heart and remember for the rest of your life, is that he got there by mimicking the language that Americans used to associate with labor, with liberals, with Democrats.

By comparison, here is Barack Obama in 2016, describing to Bloomberg Businessweek his affinity for the private sector: “Just to bring things full circle about innovation — the conversations I have with Silicon Valley and with venture capital pull together my interests in science and organization in a way I find really satisfying.”

I hope Mr. Obama finds his silicon satisfaction. I hope the men of capital whose banks he bailed out during the financial crisis show a little gratitude and build him the biggest, most expensive, most innovative presidential library of them all. But his party is in ruins today, without a leader and without a purpose.

It would have been nice if the Democrats could have triangulated their way into the hearts of enough educated and affluent suburbanites to make up for the working class voters they’ve lost over the years, but somehow that strategy rarely works out. They could have gone from boasting about Dick Cheney’s endorsement to becoming a version of Mr. Cheney themselves, and it still wouldn’t have been enough. A party of the left that identifies with people like Mr. Cheney is a contradiction in terms, a walking corpse.

For a short time in the last few years, it looked as if the Democrats might actually have understood all this. What the Biden administration did on antitrust and manufacturing and union organizing was never really completed but it was inspiring. Framed the right way, it might have formed the nucleus of a strong appeal to the voters Mr. Trump has stolen away. Kamala Harris had the skills: She spoke powerfully at the Democratic convention about a woman’s right to choose and Mr. Trump’s unfitness for high office. Speaker after speaker at the gathering in Chicago blasted the Republicans for their hostility to working people. There was even a presentation about the meaning of the word “populism.” At times it felt like they were speaking to me personally.

At the same time, the convention featured lots of saber-rattling speeches hailing America’s awesome war-making abilities. The administration’s achievements on antitrust were barely mentioned. There was even a presentation by the governor of Illinois, an heir to the Hyatt hotel fortune, in which he boasted of being a real billionaire, not a fake one like Donald Trump supposedly is, and the assembled Democrats cheered their heads off for this fortunate son. Then, once Ms. Harris’s campaign got rolling, it largely dropped economic populism, wheeled out another billionaire and embraced Liz Cheney.

Mr. Trump, meanwhile, put together a remarkable coalition of the disgruntled. He reached out to everyone with a beef, from Robert Kennedy Jr. to Elon Musk. From free-speech guys to book-banners. From Muslims in Michigan to anti-immigration zealots everywhere. “Trump Will Fix It,” declared the signs they waved at his rallies, regardless of which “It” you had in mind.

Republicans spoke of Mr. Trump’s persecution by liberal prosecutors, of how he was censored by Twitter, of the incredible strength he showed after being shot. He was an “American Bad Ass,” in the words of Kid Rock. And clucking liberal pundits would sometimes respond to all this by mocking the very concept of “grievance,” as though discontent itself was the product of a diseased mind.

Liberals had nine years to decipher Mr. Trump’s appeal — and they failed. The Democrats are a party of college graduates, as the whole world understands by now, of Ph.D.s and genius-grant winners and the best consultants money can buy. Mr. Trump is a con man straight out of Mark Twain; he will say anything, promise anything, do nothing. But his movement baffled the party of education and innovation. Their most brilliant minds couldn’t figure him out.
I have been writing about these things for 20 years, and I have begun to doubt that any combination of financial disaster or electoral chastisement will ever turn on the lightbulb for the liberals. I fear that ’90s-style centrism will march on, by a sociological force of its own, until the parties have entirely switched their social positions and the world is given over to Trumpism.

Can anything reverse it? Only a resolute determination by the Democratic Party to rededicate itself to the majoritarian vision of old: a Great Society of broad, inclusive prosperity. This means universal health care and a higher minimum wage. It means robust financial regulation and antitrust enforcement. It means unions and a welfare state and higher taxes on billionaires, even the cool ones. It means, above all, liberalism as a social movement, as a coming-together of ordinary people — not a series of top-down reforms by well-meaning professionals.

That seems a long way away today. But the alternative is — what? To blame the voters? To scold the world for failing to see how noble we are? No. It will take the opposite sentiment — solidarity — to turn the world right-side up again.

Alpha1971 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:My fellow Democrats let's just stop trying to win over Trump supporters. I say this for a myriad of reasons but mostly the futility of it. Only thing that will make them abandon their leader is when they are personally affected and lose something they value. Personally I rather see Trump succeed rather than see calamity ensue. All I decided to do is just see how it goes at this point. I did my part and now just let's see what happens. Yet, trying to change people's minds, nah. Decades of Hannity, Rush, Fox OAN, and more can't be overturned with conversations.

Please stop. Its not about winning over Trump supporters. It's about having a voice and continuing to express it on issues and subjects that are important to each of us as individuals. You do you....which as stated in this thread appears to be hoping that God will work it all out......but why tell everyone else what to do or how to feel?

For your own peace of mind. It was a suggestion not a mandate. Carry on as you will. But I'd recommend taking a few weeks off for your own mental peace. Trump hasn't even taken office. Why not just take a mental health break ? Plus no need to be so hyperbolic ? Who has taken your right to speak on topics ? Come on, man, chill out

We are all anonymous here. You don't know me. You know nothing about me, how I may feel, whether I am chill or angry, my family, my finances, my situation, my politics, my job, my friends nor how policies at a POTUS level may impact me in a positive or negative way. Based on that level of somewhere between zero and very low information, why would you think it prudent to make recommendations regarding peace, mental health or what I should do with my time?

Further - this I see as one of the biggest problems in society and elections with the emergence of social media. Low information opinions and recommendations have become wide spread.

Exhaust yourself with worry all you want. Enjoy it even. Or is it self righteousness that's your angle. Whatever do you. I just suggested a break from worry for a few w3ls.

Again, you continue making opinionated recommendations based on assumptions with zero to low information. Your assumption being that I'm fraught with worry or caught up in self righteousness.....rather than my real motive here which is to rebut people like you who make comments aimed at trying to stifle the voices/words of others and who present recommendations with zero to low information. Here's a hint....I agree with Martin in this thread regarding doing the research. Here's another tip....Trump's policies and actions are unlikely to hurt me personally. That being said, he spoke often and over again about vengence and even based on his first term - surrounding himself with sychophants who are loyal to him rather than the country or constitution. I would certainly question the motives or information of anyone who would not take pause and look into this, remain vigilant and even challenge this for potential adverse impacts to the country, constitution and our future

You have not written anything to convince me your not simply just commiting some form of intellectual masturbation. Oh it's hard being you with all your dedication to democracy. While the rest of us just sit on our hands, while you write essays on a Knicks forum about your commitment to our nation. I stand behind my statement, conservatives will have their shot to enact what ever they want. It's up to the populace to wake up after 4 years or possibly more, to see if it's been beneficial to them and adjust accordingly. Progressives have to be smart, pick their battles, and be patient. Brow beating others,being self righteous turns off Republicans and Independents and doesn't address what caused this result. Your offended at me why exactly ? I supported the right candidate, have articulated the same points you likely did I even believe, you concurred with me some time ago with enthusiasm. I won't be phased by a cleverly crafted attempt to burn me with sarcasm, so don't bother with that tactic. I'm too old and seen too much in life for that.

With your constant sanctimonius and condescending tone mixed in with zero/low information recommendations and a stated head in the sand preference.....not really surprising that you're a minus 1.

Ps....try to learn the difference between your and you're.