Knicks · Mitch Bomb from Begley (page 4)

ToddTT @ 9/25/2024 9:19 PM
martin wrote:It’s a good recap

Good vid. Also, fuck Embiid. What a grade A asshole.

TheMTL @ 9/25/2024 10:39 PM
DLeethal wrote:When we traded for Mikal it seemed odd we were going to put DDV, Josh into 20 mpg roles and also guys like Deuce wouldn't see the court. If you shift Randle to C for 20 mpg it moves everyone up a little bit and those minutes all of a sudden make sense. Also, the only way you can get by with Randle at C is by having dynamic defenders/rebounders at the 2-3-4 which we can do. Brunson - Hart - Mikal - OG - Randle is a ridiculous lineup.

That's a 4th quarter GS-Style Death lineup but not your starters

TheMTL @ 9/25/2024 10:41 PM
Mitch is more necessary for the second half of the season and playoffs. It's better he gets his time off now.
gradyandrew @ 9/25/2024 10:43 PM
TheMTL wrote:
DLeethal wrote:When we traded for Mikal it seemed odd we were going to put DDV, Josh into 20 mpg roles and also guys like Deuce wouldn't see the court. If you shift Randle to C for 20 mpg it moves everyone up a little bit and those minutes all of a sudden make sense. Also, the only way you can get by with Randle at C is by having dynamic defenders/rebounders at the 2-3-4 which we can do. Brunson - Hart - Mikal - OG - Randle is a ridiculous lineup.

That's a 4th quarter GS-Style Death lineup but not your starters

I think Precious can be the starter. He was great in his minutes last year.

ToddTT @ 9/25/2024 11:02 PM
gradyandrew wrote:
TheMTL wrote:
DLeethal wrote:When we traded for Mikal it seemed odd we were going to put DDV, Josh into 20 mpg roles and also guys like Deuce wouldn't see the court. If you shift Randle to C for 20 mpg it moves everyone up a little bit and those minutes all of a sudden make sense. Also, the only way you can get by with Randle at C is by having dynamic defenders/rebounders at the 2-3-4 which we can do. Brunson - Hart - Mikal - OG - Randle is a ridiculous lineup.

That's a 4th quarter GS-Style Death lineup but not your starters

I think Precious can be the starter. He was great in his minutes last year.

Absolutely. But my money’s on Sims. Thibs started Sims when iHart didn’t play.

My guess is Precious is another scoring option for the second unit.

gradyandrew @ 9/26/2024 3:02 AM
Tbh, Thibs has a pretty strong record of getting mediocre centers into the top ten of Defense box score ×/-. I think it's more of the system than anything else. My fear with Jericho is I think he fouls alot.
martin @ 9/26/2024 7:05 AM
gradyandrew wrote:
TheMTL wrote:
DLeethal wrote:When we traded for Mikal it seemed odd we were going to put DDV, Josh into 20 mpg roles and also guys like Deuce wouldn't see the court. If you shift Randle to C for 20 mpg it moves everyone up a little bit and those minutes all of a sudden make sense. Also, the only way you can get by with Randle at C is by having dynamic defenders/rebounders at the 2-3-4 which we can do. Brunson - Hart - Mikal - OG - Randle is a ridiculous lineup.

That's a 4th quarter GS-Style Death lineup but not your starters

I think Precious can be the starter. He was great in his minutes last year.

I'm going to join you and then take it a step further. I think Precious is going to be the starter and he will bring an unexpected dynamic.

A dynamic that is almost new thread worthy. I'll get there.

martin @ 9/27/2024 1:15 PM
Wow. Confidence or something

As noted on Wednesday, the Knicks have expressed confidence in the depth and versatility of the team in the aftermath of the Robinson news. In speaking with people in touch with the team, the Knicks seem to be open to seeing how the current roster looks at the moment. They haven’t given the impression that they are rushing to trade for a starting-caliber center.

I can say this with certainty: they’ve known for weeks that Robinson may not be ready for the start of the season. This was communicated to outside parties by the Knicks when they were looking at the center market in the offseason. I don’t know exactly when the Knicks knew of Robinson’s current timetable. But it’s fair to assume that the timeline wasn’t a huge surprise internally.

I point that out because if you look at the Knicks’ recent signings – Landry Shamet, Marcus Morris Sr. – they haven’t operated like a team desperate for a starting-caliber center.

martin @ 9/28/2024 9:25 PM
Well, this Mitch Bomb may come back again again.

This young fella is starting to be legit. Take it as you will.

I find it past not insignificant.


DLeethal @ 9/29/2024 6:56 AM
martin wrote:Well, this Mitch Bomb may come back again again.

This young fella is starting to be legit. Take it as you will.

I find it past not insignificant.


I actually like Mitch as a lower minute player off the bench but it all seems like they are looking to move him. Getting value for him won’t be easy though so he may be here. This wouldn’t be the first time his name gets mentioned in rumors and he gets weird on socials then stays and plays out the season.

Nalod @ 9/29/2024 11:09 AM
DLeethal wrote:
martin wrote:Well, this Mitch Bomb may come back again again.

This young fella is starting to be legit. Take it as you will.

I find it past not insignificant.


I actually like Mitch as a lower minute player off the bench but it all seems like they are looking to move him. Getting value for him won’t be easy though so he may be here. This wouldn’t be the first time his name gets mentioned in rumors and he gets weird on socials then stays and plays out the season.

Mitch looks around and all his buddies are gone. He busts his ass and sacrifices his body and then feels slighted? At 13mm per he must feel underpaid.
Its a cold business that pays really well. Maybe he wants more opportunity on offense and get his big payday.
He is our longest tenured knick. WE quickly (Pun intended) really cashed in all that capital and sit very nice preseason as a true contender on paper. RJ and Quickly were our rooks. RJ was actually extended!!! Quickly was in line until Jalen showed up and blew out all expectations. Leon has plans and then is able to improve them. Having players on tradable contracts has given Leon ability to do this. Randle included!
Mitch with is injuries is the outlier thus far. Stay healthy he is our center or a great trade asset!

martin @ 9/29/2024 11:53 AM
DLeethal wrote:
martin wrote:Well, this Mitch Bomb may come back again again.

This young fella is starting to be legit. Take it as you will.

I find it past not insignificant.


I actually like Mitch as a lower minute player off the bench but it all seems like they are looking to move him. Getting value for him won’t be easy though so he may be here. This wouldn’t be the first time his name gets mentioned in rumors and he gets weird on socials then stays and plays out the season.

So I am going to both first agree with you and then show how maybe we shouldn’t be too worried.

Mitch is injured. Fair to say he will alway have that risk level. With those cards on table, he is a known known. Within his talent/output range, his contract is near fair value at $14m - that’s my opinion so debatable - and obviously not when injured, but considering impact versus $. There are different levels to this but as example, even with injury risk, GM’s trade for and extend unique value players PG Embiid etc. Not all apples to oranges, just different levels of same risk assessment of value AND situation.

The Center market is thin. Both for the Knicks who need a backup center and also every other team in the same spot for backup or better. And the Knicks have announced they are emphatically putting one on the market. I consider Mitch a starter level guy on a playoff team, I think that’s a fair assessment across league. At peak, he can man handle whole teams. Fragile enough to also not make it entirely to the end of an Embiid flop fest.

If you are a team in the center buying market - like, say, New Orleans Pelicans - you are also in the same, tough spot looking for a quality C. And I’m not talking starter versus backup or good versus not so good quality, just about a proven commodity for your team who has playoff aspirations and have some franchise goals, like showing off Zion in a playoffs. That type of center market is very very thin. Knicks are looking for just a backup level center and can barely find anything past Marcus Morris without having to deals with the negotiations of Ainge and the like. NOP don’t even have a regular season starting C no less one who can do a thing to help get you into the playoffs play-in game in a very very deep western conference.

When he is good and ready, Leon will present you with an adult trade. It’ll hurt the feelings of 2 franchises but it will be adult.

Leon’s counterpart Mr NOP GM will have 3 decisions to make: 1) trade for an injured player now when his leverage is best; 2) wait til Mitch is healthy and proven he can get on court, leverage fades a tad and maybe the Knicks change mind and LOVE Mitch off bench, opportunity lost for Mr NOP GM; 3) wait til just before trade deadline after the possibility that Mitch Beast shows up and then pay at that cost.

What are you doing as Mr GM NOP besides trying to make clickbait news deals with other teams for crappy centers that you will need to overpay for. And who are they cause they aren’t too many and somehow Knicks didn’t go for those trades either. Mr GM NOP will then have to speak up for himself as to why when his team obviously doesn’t have a center outside of a rookie and why didn’t he did not get one while he was visibly on the market? And why hasn’t team made it to playoffs again.

Leon will use as much leverage as he got. Mitch is hurt so Leon’s downfall position is already reached and he already has to wait, and by waiting, he gains. His cards already out there so he can use them differently.

EwingsGlass @ 9/29/2024 12:23 PM
martin wrote:
DLeethal wrote:
martin wrote:Well, this Mitch Bomb may come back again again.

This young fella is starting to be legit. Take it as you will.

I find it past not insignificant.


I actually like Mitch as a lower minute player off the bench but it all seems like they are looking to move him. Getting value for him won’t be easy though so he may be here. This wouldn’t be the first time his name gets mentioned in rumors and he gets weird on socials then stays and plays out the season.

So I am going to both first agree with you and then show how maybe we shouldn’t be too worried.

Mitch is injured. Fair to say he will alway have that risk level. With those cards on table, he is a known known. Within his talent/output range, his contract is near fair value at $14m - that’s my opinion so debatable - and obviously not when injured, but considering impact versus $.

The Center market is thin. Both for the Knicks who need a backup center and also every other team in the same spot for backup or better. And the Knicks have announced they are emphatically putting one on the market. I consider Mitch a starter level guy on a playoff team, I think that’s a fair assessment across league. At peak, he can man handle whole teams. Fragile enough to also not make it to entirely to the end of an Embiid flopping fest.

If you are a team in the center buying market - like, say, New Orleans Pelicans - you are also in the same, tough spot for a looking for a quality C. And I’m not talking starter versus backup or good versus not so good quality, just about a proven commodity for your team who has playoff aspirations and have some franchise goals, like showing off Zion in a playoffs. That type of center market is very very thin. Knicks are looking for just a backup level center and can barely find anything past Marcus Morris without having to deals with the negotiations of Ainge and the like. NOP don’t even have a regular season starting C no less one who can do a thing to help get you into the playoffs play-in game in a very very deep western conference.

When he is good and ready, Leon will present you with an adult trade. It’ll hurt the feelings of 2 franchises but it will be adult.

Leon’s counterpart Mr NOP GM will have 3 decisions to make: 1) trade for an injured player now when his leverage is best; 2) wait til Mitch is healthy and proven he can get on court, leverage fades a tad and maybe the Knicks change mind and LOVE Mitch off bench, opportunity lost for Mr NOP GM; 3) wait til just before trade deadline after the possibility that Mitch Beast shows up and then pay at that cost.

What are you doing as Mr GM NOP besides trying to make clickbait news deals with other teams for crappy centers that you will need to overpay for. And who are they cause they aren’t too many and somehow Knicks didn’t go for those trades either. Mr GM NOP will then have to speak up for himself as to why when his team obviously doesn’t have a center outside of a rookie and why didn’t he did not get one while he was visibly on the market? And why hasn’t team made it to playoffs again.

Leon will use as much leverage as he got. Mitch is hurt so Leon’s downfall position is already reached and he already has to wait, and by waiting, he gains. His cards already out there so he can use them differently.

I agree with this. I still don’t think the math works on the KAT trade. I think the “fingers crossed” thing is Mitch hoping to stay in NY. Best I understand is that they need to include more of their fringe players on sign and trades to get this through. Though the Bobcat roster moves aren’t showing us much. They cut 3 players and signed three players yesterday.

If Mitch can’t be in NY, I think NOP is the place to go. We know there were discussions with Washington and NOP about Mitch early offseason. Mathematically, have to imagine those are Herb Jones and Marvin Bagley, respectively. Jones would be picking up a slightly undersized SF/PF that works with a 5 out system but leaves the Knicks slightly undersized against the 6’10 PFs of the league, like JJJ. Bagley would be sized proportioned but is carrying the “bust” placard. Not sure the Knicks are looking for a reclamation project at this point. The value isn’t there on a Bagley/Robinson swap, so I’d expect something else to occur.

Still thinking it will be Herb Jones and the Knicks sending Mitch home.

martin @ 9/29/2024 12:27 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
martin wrote:
DLeethal wrote:
martin wrote:Well, this Mitch Bomb may come back again again.

This young fella is starting to be legit. Take it as you will.

I find it past not insignificant.


I actually like Mitch as a lower minute player off the bench but it all seems like they are looking to move him. Getting value for him won’t be easy though so he may be here. This wouldn’t be the first time his name gets mentioned in rumors and he gets weird on socials then stays and plays out the season.

So I am going to both first agree with you and then show how maybe we shouldn’t be too worried.

Mitch is injured. Fair to say he will alway have that risk level. With those cards on table, he is a known known. Within his talent/output range, his contract is near fair value at $14m - that’s my opinion so debatable - and obviously not when injured, but considering impact versus $.

The Center market is thin. Both for the Knicks who need a backup center and also every other team in the same spot for backup or better. And the Knicks have announced they are emphatically putting one on the market. I consider Mitch a starter level guy on a playoff team, I think that’s a fair assessment across league. At peak, he can man handle whole teams. Fragile enough to also not make it to entirely to the end of an Embiid flopping fest.

If you are a team in the center buying market - like, say, New Orleans Pelicans - you are also in the same, tough spot for a looking for a quality C. And I’m not talking starter versus backup or good versus not so good quality, just about a proven commodity for your team who has playoff aspirations and have some franchise goals, like showing off Zion in a playoffs. That type of center market is very very thin. Knicks are looking for just a backup level center and can barely find anything past Marcus Morris without having to deals with the negotiations of Ainge and the like. NOP don’t even have a regular season starting C no less one who can do a thing to help get you into the playoffs play-in game in a very very deep western conference.

When he is good and ready, Leon will present you with an adult trade. It’ll hurt the feelings of 2 franchises but it will be adult.

Leon’s counterpart Mr NOP GM will have 3 decisions to make: 1) trade for an injured player now when his leverage is best; 2) wait til Mitch is healthy and proven he can get on court, leverage fades a tad and maybe the Knicks change mind and LOVE Mitch off bench, opportunity lost for Mr NOP GM; 3) wait til just before trade deadline after the possibility that Mitch Beast shows up and then pay at that cost.

What are you doing as Mr GM NOP besides trying to make clickbait news deals with other teams for crappy centers that you will need to overpay for. And who are they cause they aren’t too many and somehow Knicks didn’t go for those trades either. Mr GM NOP will then have to speak up for himself as to why when his team obviously doesn’t have a center outside of a rookie and why didn’t he did not get one while he was visibly on the market? And why hasn’t team made it to playoffs again.

Leon will use as much leverage as he got. Mitch is hurt so Leon’s downfall position is already reached and he already has to wait, and by waiting, he gains. His cards already out there so he can use them differently.

I agree with this. I still don’t think the math works on the KAT trade. I think the “fingers crossed” thing is Mitch hoping to stay in NY. Best I understand is that they need to include more of their fringe players on sign and trades to get this through. Though the Bobcat roster moves aren’t showing us much. They cut 3 players and signed three players yesterday.

If Mitch can’t be in NY, I think NOP is the place to go. We know there were discussions with Washington and NOP about Mitch early offseason. Mathematically, have to imagine those are Herb Jones and Marvin Bagley, respectively. Jones would be picking up a slightly undersized SF/PF that works with a 5 out system but leaves the Knicks slightly undersized against the 6’10 PFs of the league, like JJJ. Bagley would be sized proportioned but is carrying the “bust” placard. Not sure the Knicks are looking for a reclamation project at this point. The value isn’t there on a Bagley/Robinson swap, so I’d expect something else to occur.

Still thinking it will be Herb Jones and the Knicks sending Mitch home.

There is a lot of math that works with NOP and Knicks around the following players: Mitch, Deuce, Herb Jones, Missi.

Detroit is also a good addition team to work with.

martin @ 9/29/2024 12:40 PM
TheMTL @ 9/29/2024 12:42 PM
Unless we get a center of the exact same mold as Mitch. It's not worth to trade him. He's necessary in Embiid matches and can guard opposing bigs instead of KAT
jaydh @ 9/29/2024 12:43 PM
They want 5 shooters. But, whoever this may be has to be able to play PF, C, and defense.
jaydh @ 9/29/2024 12:44 PM
Perhaps this is where the Ayton rumors come in?
jaydh @ 9/29/2024 12:46 PM
nvm ayton makes too much
martin @ 9/29/2024 12:56 PM
jaydh wrote:Perhaps this is where the Ayton rumors come in?

Spit balling:

Ayton, Mitch to NOP
BI, little more to Portland
Herb Jones, Duop Reath to NY

EwingsGlass @ 9/29/2024 1:27 PM
martin wrote:
jaydh wrote:Perhaps this is where the Ayton rumors come in?

Spit balling:

Ayton, Mitch to NOP
BI, little more to Portland
Herb Jones, Duop Reath to NY

Woah. Didn’t do the math there but that’s interesting.

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