martin wrote:jaydh wrote:Perhaps this is where the Ayton rumors come in?
Spit balling:
Ayton, Mitch to NOP
BI, little more to Portland
Herb Jones, Duop Reath to NY
Woah. Didn’t do the math there but that’s interesting.
martin wrote:
This didn't age well for that guy.
JesseDark wrote:martin wrote:
This didn't age well for that guy.
His cap math seemed on point but his analysis seems flawed.
I think Nola would try to do a deal with Ingram who similarly is pending FA and Nola likely does not want to pay him what he wants.
This is where the Bulls double down and do something? Vooch and Ball for Ingram or some reiteration of that? Bulls will screw it up somehow?
Nola carrying McCollum but thats a fresh contract.
Nola still have a trove of picks? Got all their own plus protected next year from Mil.
I don't see Ingram as part of Minny unless they got some nice pieces as well.
For now we see Leon vs. Danny. Danny gets too cute and Leon does adult trades that teams like to engage with. Leon understands helping a team is the path to ones own success. Danny will have to adapt at some point. Mormans do not have unlimited patience.
there is a play for Mitch to Nola, that I agree and Leon does like to put players in place were they can succeed and be happy/get paid.
Im thinking behind the scenes there was no "shock" to Randles trade. I think randle understood knicks position about the extension and perhaps he is happy to get his payday from Minny and compete for a chip. Its pretty obvious even to us there was a big chance he was getting traded. As for KAT, one has to consider Leons LONG relationship with him and the family aspect.
This was more than just a "CAA" thing. This one goes back to high school for KAT and Leon. j
Mitch has always been a bit of a flake. He left college before the season started and its why we got him in the second round. Love the guy, but he always been a bit off kilter.
If healthy he should be earning Jared Allen Money. Jared this decade will have made $190million.
Mitch for Troy Murphy being discussed
DLeethal wrote:
Oh man. Herb Jones or Trey Murphy would be amazing. Like bonkers amazing. Like pass me a cigarette.
DLeethal wrote:
I cannot see it. Murphy is on the last year of his rookie deal and is gonna get paid far more than Mitch. We wouldn't be able to pay him, no? Plus we would be back to square one with very little depth at center.
shinmen wrote:DLeethal wrote:
I cannot see it. Murphy is on the last year of his rookie deal and is gonna get paid far more than Mitch. We wouldn't be able to pay him, no? Plus we would be back to square one with very little depth at center.
Murphy has always been one of my favorite underrated options out there, but I just don’t see this happening for many reasons.
One of his tweets suggested many teams in the mix. I think the biggest takeaway is that it seems apparent we are shopping Mitch and since he's injured this can probably drag into training camp/preseason a little bit.
Mitch for Vincent and Wood doesn't excite me but it's the type of trade I can see happening ala Grimes for Burks and Bogs. 2-for-1 deal to get some depth pieces back. Need a replacement big + a wing in return to make it worth it. If not, might as well hold onto Mitch because he gives us lineup versatility and he matches up with Embiid in a playoff series. Not an easy deal to pull off at this stage.
Knixkik wrote:shinmen wrote:DLeethal wrote:
I cannot see it. Murphy is on the last year of his rookie deal and is gonna get paid far more than Mitch. We wouldn't be able to pay him, no? Plus we would be back to square one with very little depth at center.
Murphy has always been one of my favorite underrated options out there, but I just don’t see this happening for many reasons.
I dunno. The Pelican might not have an appetite for being an apron team. Seems there is disagreement on Murphy's valuation of 28M per year. Deadline to extend him is Oct 21st. Not saying there's a chance, but there might be a chance.
There's just no way they trade Murphy for Mitch, but that would be a dream.
I think Mitch has a huge role here - he is our defensive change of pace and probably is a 25-30 min player as a starter or a reserve.
VDesai wrote:There's just no way they trade Murphy for Mitch, but that would be a dream.I think Mitch has a huge role here - he is our defensive change of pace and probably is a 25-30 min player as a starter or a reserve.
Agree. If anything, I'd see them trying to push Brandon Ingram on us or a third team. My understanding is that they're trying to move Ingram so they can promote Murphy.
I don't know why Murphy is the guy mentioned. Herb Jones is the perfect contract match with Mitch. I have not read articles.
martin wrote:I don't know why Murphy is the guy mentioned. Herb Jones is the perfect contract match with Mitch. I have not read articles.
Yeah, Jones would seem more likely. I would pass. The Knicks can't afford to get smaller.
BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:I don't know why Murphy is the guy mentioned. Herb Jones is the perfect contract match with Mitch. I have not read articles.
Yeah, Jones would seem more likely. I would pass. The Knicks can't afford to get smaller.
He was first team All NBA defense. All NBA defense was Herb Jones and 4 centers. Meaning, he is the best 'qualifying' wing defender in the league last year (I see you OG). 41% 3pt shooting and a 7'1.5" wingspan? Played 76 games last year. Locked in low price contract through 26-27 paying under 15m. Seriously, what more could a person want?
Trey is also a gem, but Jones is already collecting accolades. I would take either and give up additional assets to end up with either. Could see us with Murphy and Nick Richards (CHA) in an absolute coup.
EwingsGlass wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:I don't know why Murphy is the guy mentioned. Herb Jones is the perfect contract match with Mitch. I have not read articles.
Yeah, Jones would seem more likely. I would pass. The Knicks can't afford to get smaller.
He was first team All NBA defense. All NBA defense was Herb Jones and 4 centers. Meaning, he is the best 'qualifying' wing defender in the league last year (I see you OG). 41% 3pt shooting and a 7'1.5" wingspan? Played 76 games last year. Locked in low price contract through 26-27 paying under 15m. Seriously, what more could a person want?
Trey is also a gem, but Jones is already collecting accolades. I would take either and give up additional assets to end up with either. Could see us with Murphy and Nick Richards (CHA) in an absolute coup.
I think both are unlikely TBH. I'm a fan of both, but one of the reasons for the their Brandon Ingram impasse is that they see Trey Murphy as his successor. They're probably not giving him up. Also, as good as Jones is, he's another 3 and D. We could use him. Every team could use him. But our center depth is almost as bad as the Pelicans. Can we really afford to trade big for small?
BigDaddyG wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:I don't know why Murphy is the guy mentioned. Herb Jones is the perfect contract match with Mitch. I have not read articles.
Yeah, Jones would seem more likely. I would pass. The Knicks can't afford to get smaller.
He was first team All NBA defense. All NBA defense was Herb Jones and 4 centers. Meaning, he is the best 'qualifying' wing defender in the league last year (I see you OG). 41% 3pt shooting and a 7'1.5" wingspan? Played 76 games last year. Locked in low price contract through 26-27 paying under 15m. Seriously, what more could a person want?
Trey is also a gem, but Jones is already collecting accolades. I would take either and give up additional assets to end up with either. Could see us with Murphy and Nick Richards (CHA) in an absolute coup.
I think both are unlikely TBH. I'm a fan of both, but one of the reasons for the their Brandon Ingram impasse is that they see Trey Murphy as his successor. They're probably not giving him up. Also, as good as Jones is, he's another 3 and D. We could use him. Every team could use him. But our center depth is almost as bad as the Pelicans. Can we really afford to trade big for small?
Our center depth is as solid as GS’s was for their main stretch with oddles of wing defenders.
The formula works when you have a couple of elite scorers, which just happened.
Mind shift must take place 
We are now a different philosophical based basketball team.
BigDaddyG wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:I don't know why Murphy is the guy mentioned. Herb Jones is the perfect contract match with Mitch. I have not read articles.
Yeah, Jones would seem more likely. I would pass. The Knicks can't afford to get smaller.
He was first team All NBA defense. All NBA defense was Herb Jones and 4 centers. Meaning, he is the best 'qualifying' wing defender in the league last year (I see you OG). 41% 3pt shooting and a 7'1.5" wingspan? Played 76 games last year. Locked in low price contract through 26-27 paying under 15m. Seriously, what more could a person want?
Trey is also a gem, but Jones is already collecting accolades. I would take either and give up additional assets to end up with either. Could see us with Murphy and Nick Richards (CHA) in an absolute coup.
I think both are unlikely TBH. I'm a fan of both, but one of the reasons for the their Brandon Ingram impasse is that they see Trey Murphy as his successor. They're probably not giving him up. Also, as good as Jones is, he's another 3 and D. We could use him. Every team could use him. But our center depth is almost as bad as the Pelicans. Can we really afford to trade big for small?
Towns is probably a 5 in NYC - so then your center depth is theoretically Towns, Precious and Sims (and even Huk Hogan). Now the issues is your power forward depth. However the way things going the Knicks are gonna playing Anunoby and Hart at the 4 in a lot of lineups and someone like Jones is probably big enough and a good enough defender/rebounder to play the 4 next to Towns or Achiuwa in a lineup. I like the idea of Robinson off the bench as a weapon to defend bigger 5's (we saw how important that was against Embiid, and I think you can use him against Cleveland and a few other teams you might find yourself against in the playoffs). However adding Jones as a backup 3/4 also fills a current gap - and he hit the corner 3 last year, so there's a spacing boost that may come from it as well.
