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Crazy how we would be limited to carry just 14 players.
While Morris makes more sense because of the need at PF, how much does he really have in the tank?
And the rookie battle might not be so, because Hukporti seems to be healthy and give us another option while we wait for Mitch.
No random PF we might swoop in last minute? This bench needs some love but it seems that we can’t so much…
ramtour420 wrote:Wow. Okay. It's hard to add anything here as the most points have been discussed. I'll try anyway.
First of all, iHart is gone and we needed to replace his contributions. Which was being a defensive anchor, having a couple of plays per game where his passing gave us easy points, boxing out, having that sweet baby floater and making his free throws( Mitch better pay attention)What we got is someone who is not a defensive anchor(while being adequate on d and having another gear in that regard when surrounded with players like OG, Mikal and Deuce)but has the rest of the categories covered in spades/league elite. The passing is better,the scoring from anywhere is on a completely different level, the rebounding is similar. The fact that our center is the best 3 point shooting center in the league on high volume completely changes our offensive ability as a team. We are in unstoppable territory. Our d has changed focus from being C oriented to relying on our swingmen( which is the most important position in the league imho) When Mitch is healthy we have top 3 offense and defense. You do the math.
Randle. He improved. To me that's the most important part. It's not how good you are, it's how good you are at improving. As great of a player as he is, I do believe he has peaked and we are selling at his best value so far. I don't like his mental makeup, I don't think it's possible to win a Championship with him on the roster. Towns? Don't know.
DiVinchenzo. He improved too. Losing him felt not right. Bestest shooter. You don't trade guys like him, you don't move guys like him to the bench. Unless you have a bigger plan and can see the bigger picture. He has too much swagger to be a 6 MOTY. He could have challenged anyone in the league for the starting 2. Mikal better be all that. And I think he is.
So don't expect the Knicks of yesteryear. This team will operate on a different level. You never got to see the Nova Knicks? NBA is different position-wise. You would have to sit OG or Randle to have theNova boys share the court. And that's assuming that one of OG/Randle is hurt. It wasn't meant to be unless Donte said " I want the 6th man role"
I expect a lot of blowouts this year. When Mikal/OG gets under the skin of your best player and you cannot stop the Knicks in the paint nor behind the 3 point line it's not pretty. Or it's simply beautiful depending on which bench you are sitting on
I still can't get over the game KAT scored 62 against the Hornets and the coach had to bench him because he was playing selfishly and his defense sucked. The Wolves lost that game. I think Jimmy Butler is a moron, but I believe he was right about KAT. Nice enough guy but too soft. KAT is a better shooter by far. Randle is a better creator and this trade just means more pressure on Brunson. We can massage this as much as we want, but KAT is consistently bad on defense. 4, 5 it doesn't matter. And now we've added more injury prone frontcourt players while clipping our depth. I've said it before and I've heard it said in other articles and podcasts. KAT isn't that much better than Randle. We gave up too much.
I really liked Randle. I really hope KAT proves many people wrong as a Knick.
BigDaddyG wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Wow. Okay. It's hard to add anything here as the most points have been discussed. I'll try anyway.
First of all, iHart is gone and we needed to replace his contributions. Which was being a defensive anchor, having a couple of plays per game where his passing gave us easy points, boxing out, having that sweet baby floater and making his free throws( Mitch better pay attention)What we got is someone who is not a defensive anchor(while being adequate on d and having another gear in that regard when surrounded with players like OG, Mikal and Deuce)but has the rest of the categories covered in spades/league elite. The passing is better,the scoring from anywhere is on a completely different level, the rebounding is similar. The fact that our center is the best 3 point shooting center in the league on high volume completely changes our offensive ability as a team. We are in unstoppable territory. Our d has changed focus from being C oriented to relying on our swingmen( which is the most important position in the league imho) When Mitch is healthy we have top 3 offense and defense. You do the math.
Randle. He improved. To me that's the most important part. It's not how good you are, it's how good you are at improving. As great of a player as he is, I do believe he has peaked and we are selling at his best value so far. I don't like his mental makeup, I don't think it's possible to win a Championship with him on the roster. Towns? Don't know.
DiVinchenzo. He improved too. Losing him felt not right. Bestest shooter. You don't trade guys like him, you don't move guys like him to the bench. Unless you have a bigger plan and can see the bigger picture. He has too much swagger to be a 6 MOTY. He could have challenged anyone in the league for the starting 2. Mikal better be all that. And I think he is.
So don't expect the Knicks of yesteryear. This team will operate on a different level. You never got to see the Nova Knicks? NBA is different position-wise. You would have to sit OG or Randle to have theNova boys share the court. And that's assuming that one of OG/Randle is hurt. It wasn't meant to be unless Donte said " I want the 6th man role"
I expect a lot of blowouts this year. When Mikal/OG gets under the skin of your best player and you cannot stop the Knicks in the paint nor behind the 3 point line it's not pretty. Or it's simply beautiful depending on which bench you are sitting on
I still can't get over the game KAT scored 62 against the Hornets and the coach had to bench him because he was playing selfishly and his defense sucked. The Wolves lost that game. I think Jimmy Butler is a moron, but I believe he was right about KAT. Nice enough guy but too soft. KAT is a better shooter by far. Randle is a better creator and this trade just means more pressure on Brunson. We can massage this as much as we want, but KAT is consistently bad on defense. 4, 5 it doesn't matter. And now we've added more injury prone frontcourt players while clipping our depth. I've said it before and I've heard it said in other articles and podcasts. KAT isn't that much better than Randle. We gave up too much.
Are we trying to pretend that Randle ever played good defense or even gave any effort on the defensive end? I know he was capable in short bursts but the defensive end is where he rested. So, is KAT really a downgrade on defense?
BigDaddyG wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Wow. Okay. It's hard to add anything here as the most points have been discussed. I'll try anyway.
First of all, iHart is gone and we needed to replace his contributions. Which was being a defensive anchor, having a couple of plays per game where his passing gave us easy points, boxing out, having that sweet baby floater and making his free throws( Mitch better pay attention)What we got is someone who is not a defensive anchor(while being adequate on d and having another gear in that regard when surrounded with players like OG, Mikal and Deuce)but has the rest of the categories covered in spades/league elite. The passing is better,the scoring from anywhere is on a completely different level, the rebounding is similar. The fact that our center is the best 3 point shooting center in the league on high volume completely changes our offensive ability as a team. We are in unstoppable territory. Our d has changed focus from being C oriented to relying on our swingmen( which is the most important position in the league imho) When Mitch is healthy we have top 3 offense and defense. You do the math.
Randle. He improved. To me that's the most important part. It's not how good you are, it's how good you are at improving. As great of a player as he is, I do believe he has peaked and we are selling at his best value so far. I don't like his mental makeup, I don't think it's possible to win a Championship with him on the roster. Towns? Don't know.
DiVinchenzo. He improved too. Losing him felt not right. Bestest shooter. You don't trade guys like him, you don't move guys like him to the bench. Unless you have a bigger plan and can see the bigger picture. He has too much swagger to be a 6 MOTY. He could have challenged anyone in the league for the starting 2. Mikal better be all that. And I think he is.
So don't expect the Knicks of yesteryear. This team will operate on a different level. You never got to see the Nova Knicks? NBA is different position-wise. You would have to sit OG or Randle to have theNova boys share the court. And that's assuming that one of OG/Randle is hurt. It wasn't meant to be unless Donte said " I want the 6th man role"
I expect a lot of blowouts this year. When Mikal/OG gets under the skin of your best player and you cannot stop the Knicks in the paint nor behind the 3 point line it's not pretty. Or it's simply beautiful depending on which bench you are sitting on
I still can't get over the game KAT scored 62 against the Hornets and the coach had to bench him because he was playing selfishly and his defense sucked. The Wolves lost that game. I think Jimmy Butler is a moron, but I believe he was right about KAT. Nice enough guy but too soft. KAT is a better shooter by far. Randle is a better creator and this trade just means more pressure on Brunson. We can massage this as much as we want, but KAT is consistently bad on defense. 4, 5 it doesn't matter. And now we've added more injury prone frontcourt players while clipping our depth. I've said it before and I've heard it said in other articles and podcasts. KAT isn't that much better than Randle. We gave up too much.
KAT has not been surrounded by players that he has now. It's not like Randle made plays to just involve teammates he is no Sabonis/Vlade Divac. He dribbled into the D for a spinover. Then he learned that there is actually passing. KAT is probably a better passer better then iHart and leaps and bounds better than Randle, time will tell. Soft vs not soft argument.... How about we call is finesse/bbiq vs bullyball/heroball? You see where I am going with this?
KAT is bad on defense? How about Randle? I think it's a draw with KAT having a slight edge actually. How many blocks does Randke have? How many possessions dies he just stay behind to argue with refs?
Yes the team will look different, that's undeniable. It worked out for the Celtics.
Injury is not going to be a good argument if you look at Randkes last year, or the year before for that matter.
How about playoff performance? Randle has shat his bed every time. Not a good look, while KAT has taken his team to the WCF.
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While Morris makes more sense because of the need at PF, how much does he really have in the tank?
And the rookie battle might not be so, because Hukporti seems to be healthy and give us another option while we wait for Mitch.
No random PF we might swoop in last minute? This bench needs some love but it seems that we can’t so much…
Al Horford 38 and is the stating C for Boston right now 
ramtour420 wrote:Biggest point is would you rather have a frontcourt player that's is the best 3 point shooter at his position who is a better rebounder and blocker and actually performs in the playoffs vs a guy who is worse from the 3, is not a blocker, worse rebounder and melts every time in the playoffs?
KAT playoff performances don't have me particularly hyped. As for a better blocker, he averages less than 1 a game. Gobert shouldn't be an excuse. If anything, it should've allowed KAT more weak side block opportunities. The rebounding difference isn't really that huge. Yes, KAT is more talented, but the difference isn't enough to make up for Donte. We gave up a borderline All NBA forward and a legit starting NBA two guard for a borderline All NBA forward. The only way I can say this trade made sense is if I believe KAT is a center. I don't.
ramtour420 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Wow. Okay. It's hard to add anything here as the most points have been discussed. I'll try anyway.
First of all, iHart is gone and we needed to replace his contributions. Which was being a defensive anchor, having a couple of plays per game where his passing gave us easy points, boxing out, having that sweet baby floater and making his free throws( Mitch better pay attention)What we got is someone who is not a defensive anchor(while being adequate on d and having another gear in that regard when surrounded with players like OG, Mikal and Deuce)but has the rest of the categories covered in spades/league elite. The passing is better,the scoring from anywhere is on a completely different level, the rebounding is similar. The fact that our center is the best 3 point shooting center in the league on high volume completely changes our offensive ability as a team. We are in unstoppable territory. Our d has changed focus from being C oriented to relying on our swingmen( which is the most important position in the league imho) When Mitch is healthy we have top 3 offense and defense. You do the math.
Randle. He improved. To me that's the most important part. It's not how good you are, it's how good you are at improving. As great of a player as he is, I do believe he has peaked and we are selling at his best value so far. I don't like his mental makeup, I don't think it's possible to win a Championship with him on the roster. Towns? Don't know.
DiVinchenzo. He improved too. Losing him felt not right. Bestest shooter. You don't trade guys like him, you don't move guys like him to the bench. Unless you have a bigger plan and can see the bigger picture. He has too much swagger to be a 6 MOTY. He could have challenged anyone in the league for the starting 2. Mikal better be all that. And I think he is.
So don't expect the Knicks of yesteryear. This team will operate on a different level. You never got to see the Nova Knicks? NBA is different position-wise. You would have to sit OG or Randle to have theNova boys share the court. And that's assuming that one of OG/Randle is hurt. It wasn't meant to be unless Donte said " I want the 6th man role"
I expect a lot of blowouts this year. When Mikal/OG gets under the skin of your best player and you cannot stop the Knicks in the paint nor behind the 3 point line it's not pretty. Or it's simply beautiful depending on which bench you are sitting on
I still can't get over the game KAT scored 62 against the Hornets and the coach had to bench him because he was playing selfishly and his defense sucked. The Wolves lost that game. I think Jimmy Butler is a moron, but I believe he was right about KAT. Nice enough guy but too soft. KAT is a better shooter by far. Randle is a better creator and this trade just means more pressure on Brunson. We can massage this as much as we want, but KAT is consistently bad on defense. 4, 5 it doesn't matter. And now we've added more injury prone frontcourt players while clipping our depth. I've said it before and I've heard it said in other articles and podcasts. KAT isn't that much better than Randle. We gave up too much.
KAT has not been surrounded by players that he has now. It's not like Randle made plays to just involve teammates he is no Sanonis/Vlade Divac. He dribbled into the D for a spinover. Then he learned that there is actually passing. KAT might be a better passer, time will tell. Soft vs not soft argument.... How about we call is finesse/bbiq vs bullyball/heroball? You see where I am going with this?
KAT is bad on defense? How about Randle? I think it's a draw with KAT having a slight edge actually. How many blocks does Randke have? How many possessions dies he just stay behind to argue with refs?
Yes the team will look different, that's undeniable. It worked out for the Celtics.
Injury is not going to be a good argument if you look at Randkes last year, or the year before for that matter.
How about playoff performance? Randle has shat his bed every time. Not a good look, while KAT has taken his team to the WCF.
KAT's BBIQ is the one thing Wolves fans agree isn't good. As for defense, I know Randle can adequately guard his position and is switchable. I'm still trying to figure out how Thibs is going to hide KAT defensively.
BigDaddyG wrote:ramtour420 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Wow. Okay. It's hard to add anything here as the most points have been discussed. I'll try anyway.
First of all, iHart is gone and we needed to replace his contributions. Which was being a defensive anchor, having a couple of plays per game where his passing gave us easy points, boxing out, having that sweet baby floater and making his free throws( Mitch better pay attention)What we got is someone who is not a defensive anchor(while being adequate on d and having another gear in that regard when surrounded with players like OG, Mikal and Deuce)but has the rest of the categories covered in spades/league elite. The passing is better,the scoring from anywhere is on a completely different level, the rebounding is similar. The fact that our center is the best 3 point shooting center in the league on high volume completely changes our offensive ability as a team. We are in unstoppable territory. Our d has changed focus from being C oriented to relying on our swingmen( which is the most important position in the league imho) When Mitch is healthy we have top 3 offense and defense. You do the math.
Randle. He improved. To me that's the most important part. It's not how good you are, it's how good you are at improving. As great of a player as he is, I do believe he has peaked and we are selling at his best value so far. I don't like his mental makeup, I don't think it's possible to win a Championship with him on the roster. Towns? Don't know.
DiVinchenzo. He improved too. Losing him felt not right. Bestest shooter. You don't trade guys like him, you don't move guys like him to the bench. Unless you have a bigger plan and can see the bigger picture. He has too much swagger to be a 6 MOTY. He could have challenged anyone in the league for the starting 2. Mikal better be all that. And I think he is.
So don't expect the Knicks of yesteryear. This team will operate on a different level. You never got to see the Nova Knicks? NBA is different position-wise. You would have to sit OG or Randle to have theNova boys share the court. And that's assuming that one of OG/Randle is hurt. It wasn't meant to be unless Donte said " I want the 6th man role"
I expect a lot of blowouts this year. When Mikal/OG gets under the skin of your best player and you cannot stop the Knicks in the paint nor behind the 3 point line it's not pretty. Or it's simply beautiful depending on which bench you are sitting on
I still can't get over the game KAT scored 62 against the Hornets and the coach had to bench him because he was playing selfishly and his defense sucked. The Wolves lost that game. I think Jimmy Butler is a moron, but I believe he was right about KAT. Nice enough guy but too soft. KAT is a better shooter by far. Randle is a better creator and this trade just means more pressure on Brunson. We can massage this as much as we want, but KAT is consistently bad on defense. 4, 5 it doesn't matter. And now we've added more injury prone frontcourt players while clipping our depth. I've said it before and I've heard it said in other articles and podcasts. KAT isn't that much better than Randle. We gave up too much.
KAT has not been surrounded by players that he has now. It's not like Randle made plays to just involve teammates he is no Sanonis/Vlade Divac. He dribbled into the D for a spinover. Then he learned that there is actually passing. KAT might be a better passer, time will tell. Soft vs not soft argument.... How about we call is finesse/bbiq vs bullyball/heroball? You see where I am going with this?
KAT is bad on defense? How about Randle? I think it's a draw with KAT having a slight edge actually. How many blocks does Randke have? How many possessions dies he just stay behind to argue with refs?
Yes the team will look different, that's undeniable. It worked out for the Celtics.
Injury is not going to be a good argument if you look at Randkes last year, or the year before for that matter.
How about playoff performance? Randle has shat his bed every time. Not a good look, while KAT has taken his team to the WCF.KAT's BBIQ is the one thing Wolves fans agree isn't good. As for defense, I know Randle can adequately guard his position and is switchable. I'm still trying to figure out how Thibs is going to hide KAT defensively.
To be clear, you think KAT is the worse defender than Randle? Can you back that up? I don’t believe this to be true.
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EwingsGlass wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:ramtour420 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Wow. Okay. It's hard to add anything here as the most points have been discussed. I'll try anyway.
First of all, iHart is gone and we needed to replace his contributions. Which was being a defensive anchor, having a couple of plays per game where his passing gave us easy points, boxing out, having that sweet baby floater and making his free throws( Mitch better pay attention)What we got is someone who is not a defensive anchor(while being adequate on d and having another gear in that regard when surrounded with players like OG, Mikal and Deuce)but has the rest of the categories covered in spades/league elite. The passing is better,the scoring from anywhere is on a completely different level, the rebounding is similar. The fact that our center is the best 3 point shooting center in the league on high volume completely changes our offensive ability as a team. We are in unstoppable territory. Our d has changed focus from being C oriented to relying on our swingmen( which is the most important position in the league imho) When Mitch is healthy we have top 3 offense and defense. You do the math.
Randle. He improved. To me that's the most important part. It's not how good you are, it's how good you are at improving. As great of a player as he is, I do believe he has peaked and we are selling at his best value so far. I don't like his mental makeup, I don't think it's possible to win a Championship with him on the roster. Towns? Don't know.
DiVinchenzo. He improved too. Losing him felt not right. Bestest shooter. You don't trade guys like him, you don't move guys like him to the bench. Unless you have a bigger plan and can see the bigger picture. He has too much swagger to be a 6 MOTY. He could have challenged anyone in the league for the starting 2. Mikal better be all that. And I think he is.
So don't expect the Knicks of yesteryear. This team will operate on a different level. You never got to see the Nova Knicks? NBA is different position-wise. You would have to sit OG or Randle to have theNova boys share the court. And that's assuming that one of OG/Randle is hurt. It wasn't meant to be unless Donte said " I want the 6th man role"
I expect a lot of blowouts this year. When Mikal/OG gets under the skin of your best player and you cannot stop the Knicks in the paint nor behind the 3 point line it's not pretty. Or it's simply beautiful depending on which bench you are sitting on
I still can't get over the game KAT scored 62 against the Hornets and the coach had to bench him because he was playing selfishly and his defense sucked. The Wolves lost that game. I think Jimmy Butler is a moron, but I believe he was right about KAT. Nice enough guy but too soft. KAT is a better shooter by far. Randle is a better creator and this trade just means more pressure on Brunson. We can massage this as much as we want, but KAT is consistently bad on defense. 4, 5 it doesn't matter. And now we've added more injury prone frontcourt players while clipping our depth. I've said it before and I've heard it said in other articles and podcasts. KAT isn't that much better than Randle. We gave up too much.
KAT has not been surrounded by players that he has now. It's not like Randle made plays to just involve teammates he is no Sanonis/Vlade Divac. He dribbled into the D for a spinover. Then he learned that there is actually passing. KAT might be a better passer, time will tell. Soft vs not soft argument.... How about we call is finesse/bbiq vs bullyball/heroball? You see where I am going with this?
KAT is bad on defense? How about Randle? I think it's a draw with KAT having a slight edge actually. How many blocks does Randke have? How many possessions dies he just stay behind to argue with refs?
Yes the team will look different, that's undeniable. It worked out for the Celtics.
Injury is not going to be a good argument if you look at Randkes last year, or the year before for that matter.
How about playoff performance? Randle has shat his bed every time. Not a good look, while KAT has taken his team to the WCF.KAT's BBIQ is the one thing Wolves fans agree isn't good. As for defense, I know Randle can adequately guard his position and is switchable. I'm still trying to figure out how Thibs is going to hide KAT defensively.
To be clear, you think KAT is the worse defender than Randle? Can you back that up? I don’t believe this to be true.
I believe that KAT at power forward slot is a worse defender than Randle and that KAT as a traditional center destroys teams defensively. I'm not thrilled at the prospect of an injury prone OG having to bang with bigs down low in order to cover for KAT.
BigDaddyG wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:ramtour420 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Wow. Okay. It's hard to add anything here as the most points have been discussed. I'll try anyway.
First of all, iHart is gone and we needed to replace his contributions. Which was being a defensive anchor, having a couple of plays per game where his passing gave us easy points, boxing out, having that sweet baby floater and making his free throws( Mitch better pay attention)What we got is someone who is not a defensive anchor(while being adequate on d and having another gear in that regard when surrounded with players like OG, Mikal and Deuce)but has the rest of the categories covered in spades/league elite. The passing is better,the scoring from anywhere is on a completely different level, the rebounding is similar. The fact that our center is the best 3 point shooting center in the league on high volume completely changes our offensive ability as a team. We are in unstoppable territory. Our d has changed focus from being C oriented to relying on our swingmen( which is the most important position in the league imho) When Mitch is healthy we have top 3 offense and defense. You do the math.
Randle. He improved. To me that's the most important part. It's not how good you are, it's how good you are at improving. As great of a player as he is, I do believe he has peaked and we are selling at his best value so far. I don't like his mental makeup, I don't think it's possible to win a Championship with him on the roster. Towns? Don't know.
DiVinchenzo. He improved too. Losing him felt not right. Bestest shooter. You don't trade guys like him, you don't move guys like him to the bench. Unless you have a bigger plan and can see the bigger picture. He has too much swagger to be a 6 MOTY. He could have challenged anyone in the league for the starting 2. Mikal better be all that. And I think he is.
So don't expect the Knicks of yesteryear. This team will operate on a different level. You never got to see the Nova Knicks? NBA is different position-wise. You would have to sit OG or Randle to have theNova boys share the court. And that's assuming that one of OG/Randle is hurt. It wasn't meant to be unless Donte said " I want the 6th man role"
I expect a lot of blowouts this year. When Mikal/OG gets under the skin of your best player and you cannot stop the Knicks in the paint nor behind the 3 point line it's not pretty. Or it's simply beautiful depending on which bench you are sitting on
I still can't get over the game KAT scored 62 against the Hornets and the coach had to bench him because he was playing selfishly and his defense sucked. The Wolves lost that game. I think Jimmy Butler is a moron, but I believe he was right about KAT. Nice enough guy but too soft. KAT is a better shooter by far. Randle is a better creator and this trade just means more pressure on Brunson. We can massage this as much as we want, but KAT is consistently bad on defense. 4, 5 it doesn't matter. And now we've added more injury prone frontcourt players while clipping our depth. I've said it before and I've heard it said in other articles and podcasts. KAT isn't that much better than Randle. We gave up too much.
KAT has not been surrounded by players that he has now. It's not like Randle made plays to just involve teammates he is no Sanonis/Vlade Divac. He dribbled into the D for a spinover. Then he learned that there is actually passing. KAT might be a better passer, time will tell. Soft vs not soft argument.... How about we call is finesse/bbiq vs bullyball/heroball? You see where I am going with this?
KAT is bad on defense? How about Randle? I think it's a draw with KAT having a slight edge actually. How many blocks does Randke have? How many possessions dies he just stay behind to argue with refs?
Yes the team will look different, that's undeniable. It worked out for the Celtics.
Injury is not going to be a good argument if you look at Randkes last year, or the year before for that matter.
How about playoff performance? Randle has shat his bed every time. Not a good look, while KAT has taken his team to the WCF.KAT's BBIQ is the one thing Wolves fans agree isn't good. As for defense, I know Randle can adequately guard his position and is switchable. I'm still trying to figure out how Thibs is going to hide KAT defensively.
To be clear, you think KAT is the worse defender than Randle? Can you back that up? I don’t believe this to be true.
I believe that KAT at power forward slot is a worse defender than Randle and that KAT as a traditional center destroys teams defensively. I'm not thrilled at the prospect of an injury prone OG having to bang with bigs down low in order to cover for KAT.
This is where we differ. KAT at PF on the block will be no worse than Randle, who was average. At C KAT will be head and shoulders better than Randle. Traditional or not
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ramtour420 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:ramtour420 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Wow. Okay. It's hard to add anything here as the most points have been discussed. I'll try anyway.
First of all, iHart is gone and we needed to replace his contributions. Which was being a defensive anchor, having a couple of plays per game where his passing gave us easy points, boxing out, having that sweet baby floater and making his free throws( Mitch better pay attention)What we got is someone who is not a defensive anchor(while being adequate on d and having another gear in that regard when surrounded with players like OG, Mikal and Deuce)but has the rest of the categories covered in spades/league elite. The passing is better,the scoring from anywhere is on a completely different level, the rebounding is similar. The fact that our center is the best 3 point shooting center in the league on high volume completely changes our offensive ability as a team. We are in unstoppable territory. Our d has changed focus from being C oriented to relying on our swingmen( which is the most important position in the league imho) When Mitch is healthy we have top 3 offense and defense. You do the math.
Randle. He improved. To me that's the most important part. It's not how good you are, it's how good you are at improving. As great of a player as he is, I do believe he has peaked and we are selling at his best value so far. I don't like his mental makeup, I don't think it's possible to win a Championship with him on the roster. Towns? Don't know.
DiVinchenzo. He improved too. Losing him felt not right. Bestest shooter. You don't trade guys like him, you don't move guys like him to the bench. Unless you have a bigger plan and can see the bigger picture. He has too much swagger to be a 6 MOTY. He could have challenged anyone in the league for the starting 2. Mikal better be all that. And I think he is.
So don't expect the Knicks of yesteryear. This team will operate on a different level. You never got to see the Nova Knicks? NBA is different position-wise. You would have to sit OG or Randle to have theNova boys share the court. And that's assuming that one of OG/Randle is hurt. It wasn't meant to be unless Donte said " I want the 6th man role"
I expect a lot of blowouts this year. When Mikal/OG gets under the skin of your best player and you cannot stop the Knicks in the paint nor behind the 3 point line it's not pretty. Or it's simply beautiful depending on which bench you are sitting on
I still can't get over the game KAT scored 62 against the Hornets and the coach had to bench him because he was playing selfishly and his defense sucked. The Wolves lost that game. I think Jimmy Butler is a moron, but I believe he was right about KAT. Nice enough guy but too soft. KAT is a better shooter by far. Randle is a better creator and this trade just means more pressure on Brunson. We can massage this as much as we want, but KAT is consistently bad on defense. 4, 5 it doesn't matter. And now we've added more injury prone frontcourt players while clipping our depth. I've said it before and I've heard it said in other articles and podcasts. KAT isn't that much better than Randle. We gave up too much.
KAT has not been surrounded by players that he has now. It's not like Randle made plays to just involve teammates he is no Sanonis/Vlade Divac. He dribbled into the D for a spinover. Then he learned that there is actually passing. KAT might be a better passer, time will tell. Soft vs not soft argument.... How about we call is finesse/bbiq vs bullyball/heroball? You see where I am going with this?
KAT is bad on defense? How about Randle? I think it's a draw with KAT having a slight edge actually. How many blocks does Randke have? How many possessions dies he just stay behind to argue with refs?
Yes the team will look different, that's undeniable. It worked out for the Celtics.
Injury is not going to be a good argument if you look at Randkes last year, or the year before for that matter.
How about playoff performance? Randle has shat his bed every time. Not a good look, while KAT has taken his team to the WCF.KAT's BBIQ is the one thing Wolves fans agree isn't good. As for defense, I know Randle can adequately guard his position and is switchable. I'm still trying to figure out how Thibs is going to hide KAT defensively.
To be clear, you think KAT is the worse defender than Randle? Can you back that up? I don’t believe this to be true.
I believe that KAT at power forward slot is a worse defender than Randle and that KAT as a traditional center destroys teams defensively. I'm not thrilled at the prospect of an injury prone OG having to bang with bigs down low in order to cover for KAT.
This is where we differ. KAT at PF on the block will be no worse than Randle, who was average. At C KAT will be head and shoulders better than Randle. Traditional or not
Yes, this is where I disagree. KAT has been shown to destroy his teams defensively when he plays defense at center. Thibs didn't help him much before. Low IQ on the drop, a step slow meeting his man and weak. Realistically, there aren't many PFs to worry about on the block these days. Hell have to guard on the perimeter and he's not as good as that as Randle.
fishmike wrote:Nalod wrote:Nalod told you guys recently it would happen and you would not like it.dude nobody cares
Of course. I care little of others prognostications.
But we do this stuff all the time and I was redundant on the subject because it made so much sense for both teams.
In my little cave I like that I thought it through.
MY friend Kevin called me this morning and said "dude, you nailed it months ago!"
Nothing but some pride.
I never saw DDV but then never saw the Bridges trade coming. My take was a healthy Mitch goes with randle as the salary matched up.
Not logical as they have Reid.
WIth Mikal here, DDV was expendable.
fishmike wrote:fishmike wrote:Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years.I really never could be a GM. I am too into the human aspect. Gut punch of a trade. Absolutely 2 of my fav guys. DD had so many big moments. Jules was a building block guy here.First Leon move I hate. Oh well.
In such a spacing based league it's hard not to grab Towns. Age is a N/A as he's only a year younger than Randle. His contract is what it is. He's missed some chunks of games in recent years. I would say Im higher on Randle regarding durability, but it is what it is.
Looking closer at last year's playoffs KAT did very well on both sides of the ball. He's a NJ kid and grew up a Knick fan. He's a good person and easy to root for. Absolute sniper.
So... I think with this the Knicks do have a higher ceiling and play a true 5 out. It just hurts.
I care.
BigDaddyG wrote:ramtour420 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:ramtour420 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Wow. Okay. It's hard to add anything here as the most points have been discussed. I'll try anyway.
First of all, iHart is gone and we needed to replace his contributions. Which was being a defensive anchor, having a couple of plays per game where his passing gave us easy points, boxing out, having that sweet baby floater and making his free throws( Mitch better pay attention)What we got is someone who is not a defensive anchor(while being adequate on d and having another gear in that regard when surrounded with players like OG, Mikal and Deuce)but has the rest of the categories covered in spades/league elite. The passing is better,the scoring from anywhere is on a completely different level, the rebounding is similar. The fact that our center is the best 3 point shooting center in the league on high volume completely changes our offensive ability as a team. We are in unstoppable territory. Our d has changed focus from being C oriented to relying on our swingmen( which is the most important position in the league imho) When Mitch is healthy we have top 3 offense and defense. You do the math.
Randle. He improved. To me that's the most important part. It's not how good you are, it's how good you are at improving. As great of a player as he is, I do believe he has peaked and we are selling at his best value so far. I don't like his mental makeup, I don't think it's possible to win a Championship with him on the roster. Towns? Don't know.
DiVinchenzo. He improved too. Losing him felt not right. Bestest shooter. You don't trade guys like him, you don't move guys like him to the bench. Unless you have a bigger plan and can see the bigger picture. He has too much swagger to be a 6 MOTY. He could have challenged anyone in the league for the starting 2. Mikal better be all that. And I think he is.
So don't expect the Knicks of yesteryear. This team will operate on a different level. You never got to see the Nova Knicks? NBA is different position-wise. You would have to sit OG or Randle to have theNova boys share the court. And that's assuming that one of OG/Randle is hurt. It wasn't meant to be unless Donte said " I want the 6th man role"
I expect a lot of blowouts this year. When Mikal/OG gets under the skin of your best player and you cannot stop the Knicks in the paint nor behind the 3 point line it's not pretty. Or it's simply beautiful depending on which bench you are sitting on
I still can't get over the game KAT scored 62 against the Hornets and the coach had to bench him because he was playing selfishly and his defense sucked. The Wolves lost that game. I think Jimmy Butler is a moron, but I believe he was right about KAT. Nice enough guy but too soft. KAT is a better shooter by far. Randle is a better creator and this trade just means more pressure on Brunson. We can massage this as much as we want, but KAT is consistently bad on defense. 4, 5 it doesn't matter. And now we've added more injury prone frontcourt players while clipping our depth. I've said it before and I've heard it said in other articles and podcasts. KAT isn't that much better than Randle. We gave up too much.
KAT has not been surrounded by players that he has now. It's not like Randle made plays to just involve teammates he is no Sanonis/Vlade Divac. He dribbled into the D for a spinover. Then he learned that there is actually passing. KAT might be a better passer, time will tell. Soft vs not soft argument.... How about we call is finesse/bbiq vs bullyball/heroball? You see where I am going with this?
KAT is bad on defense? How about Randle? I think it's a draw with KAT having a slight edge actually. How many blocks does Randke have? How many possessions dies he just stay behind to argue with refs?
Yes the team will look different, that's undeniable. It worked out for the Celtics.
Injury is not going to be a good argument if you look at Randkes last year, or the year before for that matter.
How about playoff performance? Randle has shat his bed every time. Not a good look, while KAT has taken his team to the WCF.KAT's BBIQ is the one thing Wolves fans agree isn't good. As for defense, I know Randle can adequately guard his position and is switchable. I'm still trying to figure out how Thibs is going to hide KAT defensively.
To be clear, you think KAT is the worse defender than Randle? Can you back that up? I don’t believe this to be true.
I believe that KAT at power forward slot is a worse defender than Randle and that KAT as a traditional center destroys teams defensively. I'm not thrilled at the prospect of an injury prone OG having to bang with bigs down low in order to cover for KAT.
This is where we differ. KAT at PF on the block will be no worse than Randle, who was average. At C KAT will be head and shoulders better than Randle. Traditional or not
Yes, this is where I disagree. KAT has been shown to destroy his teams defensively when he plays defense at center. Thibs didn't help him much before. Low IQ on the drop, a step slow meeting his man and weak. Realistically, there aren't many PFs to worry about on the block these days. Hell have to guard on the perimeter and he's not as good as that as Randle.
That would be a point if Randle ever made an attempt to run out to challenge a 3 point shot. He hasn't. His best D has been on the block. So there. KAT will be no worse. You have basically described Randle in your KAT report. You forgot the blocks where KAT had an advantage. You forgot the mental softness that made Randle a no-show in every playoff series. You saw the games, Randle was not the same player in the playoffs multiple years and counting
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ramtour420 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:ramtour420 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:ramtour420 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Wow. Okay. It's hard to add anything here as the most points have been discussed. I'll try anyway.
First of all, iHart is gone and we needed to replace his contributions. Which was being a defensive anchor, having a couple of plays per game where his passing gave us easy points, boxing out, having that sweet baby floater and making his free throws( Mitch better pay attention)What we got is someone who is not a defensive anchor(while being adequate on d and having another gear in that regard when surrounded with players like OG, Mikal and Deuce)but has the rest of the categories covered in spades/league elite. The passing is better,the scoring from anywhere is on a completely different level, the rebounding is similar. The fact that our center is the best 3 point shooting center in the league on high volume completely changes our offensive ability as a team. We are in unstoppable territory. Our d has changed focus from being C oriented to relying on our swingmen( which is the most important position in the league imho) When Mitch is healthy we have top 3 offense and defense. You do the math.
Randle. He improved. To me that's the most important part. It's not how good you are, it's how good you are at improving. As great of a player as he is, I do believe he has peaked and we are selling at his best value so far. I don't like his mental makeup, I don't think it's possible to win a Championship with him on the roster. Towns? Don't know.
DiVinchenzo. He improved too. Losing him felt not right. Bestest shooter. You don't trade guys like him, you don't move guys like him to the bench. Unless you have a bigger plan and can see the bigger picture. He has too much swagger to be a 6 MOTY. He could have challenged anyone in the league for the starting 2. Mikal better be all that. And I think he is.
So don't expect the Knicks of yesteryear. This team will operate on a different level. You never got to see the Nova Knicks? NBA is different position-wise. You would have to sit OG or Randle to have theNova boys share the court. And that's assuming that one of OG/Randle is hurt. It wasn't meant to be unless Donte said " I want the 6th man role"
I expect a lot of blowouts this year. When Mikal/OG gets under the skin of your best player and you cannot stop the Knicks in the paint nor behind the 3 point line it's not pretty. Or it's simply beautiful depending on which bench you are sitting on
I still can't get over the game KAT scored 62 against the Hornets and the coach had to bench him because he was playing selfishly and his defense sucked. The Wolves lost that game. I think Jimmy Butler is a moron, but I believe he was right about KAT. Nice enough guy but too soft. KAT is a better shooter by far. Randle is a better creator and this trade just means more pressure on Brunson. We can massage this as much as we want, but KAT is consistently bad on defense. 4, 5 it doesn't matter. And now we've added more injury prone frontcourt players while clipping our depth. I've said it before and I've heard it said in other articles and podcasts. KAT isn't that much better than Randle. We gave up too much.
KAT has not been surrounded by players that he has now. It's not like Randle made plays to just involve teammates he is no Sanonis/Vlade Divac. He dribbled into the D for a spinover. Then he learned that there is actually passing. KAT might be a better passer, time will tell. Soft vs not soft argument.... How about we call is finesse/bbiq vs bullyball/heroball? You see where I am going with this?
KAT is bad on defense? How about Randle? I think it's a draw with KAT having a slight edge actually. How many blocks does Randke have? How many possessions dies he just stay behind to argue with refs?
Yes the team will look different, that's undeniable. It worked out for the Celtics.
Injury is not going to be a good argument if you look at Randkes last year, or the year before for that matter.
How about playoff performance? Randle has shat his bed every time. Not a good look, while KAT has taken his team to the WCF.KAT's BBIQ is the one thing Wolves fans agree isn't good. As for defense, I know Randle can adequately guard his position and is switchable. I'm still trying to figure out how Thibs is going to hide KAT defensively.
To be clear, you think KAT is the worse defender than Randle? Can you back that up? I don’t believe this to be true.
I believe that KAT at power forward slot is a worse defender than Randle and that KAT as a traditional center destroys teams defensively. I'm not thrilled at the prospect of an injury prone OG having to bang with bigs down low in order to cover for KAT.
This is where we differ. KAT at PF on the block will be no worse than Randle, who was average. At C KAT will be head and shoulders better than Randle. Traditional or not
Yes, this is where I disagree. KAT has been shown to destroy his teams defensively when he plays defense at center. Thibs didn't help him much before. Low IQ on the drop, a step slow meeting his man and weak. Realistically, there aren't many PFs to worry about on the block these days. Hell have to guard on the perimeter and he's not as good as that as Randle.That would be a point if Randke ever made an attempt to run out to challenge a 3 point shot. He hasn't. His best D has been on the block. So there. KAT will be no worse.
Yeah, again I disagree. I think Jules best defensive attribute was his ability to switch with his frame and move his feet on the perimeter one on one. More useful on switch everything scheme. Of course we have OG, but that's wasted if he has to guard the other teams center for extended periods of time. Look, I hope I'm wrong and I'll be the first person to admit if I am. As of now, I'm not feeling this move.
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