Knicks · Knicks traded for Towns (finally official 10/1) (page 16)

martin @ 9/28/2024 6:31 PM
Um OK

BigDaddyG @ 9/28/2024 6:32 PM
martin wrote:

So this deal won't be completed for a couple days, assuming they complete Washington's buyout and the sign him. Seems straightforward, but still some pieces that need to be moved.

BigDaddyG @ 9/28/2024 6:36 PM
martin wrote:Um OK

Makes sense. They were going into the season hoping their rookie could provide perimeter scoring. I think that's asking too much from Dillingham. That said, I really like Minnesota's bench going forward.

ramtour420 @ 9/28/2024 6:36 PM
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ramtour420 wrote:Wow. Okay. It's hard to add anything here as the most points have been discussed. I'll try anyway.
First of all, iHart is gone and we needed to replace his contributions. Which was being a defensive anchor, having a couple of plays per game where his passing gave us easy points, boxing out, having that sweet baby floater and making his free throws( Mitch better pay attention)

What we got is someone who is not a defensive anchor(while being adequate on d and having another gear in that regard when surrounded with players like OG, Mikal and Deuce)but has the rest of the categories covered in spades/league elite. The passing is better,the scoring from anywhere is on a completely different level, the rebounding is similar. The fact that our center is the best 3 point shooting center in the league on high volume completely changes our offensive ability as a team. We are in unstoppable territory. Our d has changed focus from being C oriented to relying on our swingmen( which is the most important position in the league imho) When Mitch is healthy we have top 3 offense and defense. You do the math.

Randle. He improved. To me that's the most important part. It's not how good you are, it's how good you are at improving. As great of a player as he is, I do believe he has peaked and we are selling at his best value so far. I don't like his mental makeup, I don't think it's possible to win a Championship with him on the roster. Towns? Don't know.

DiVinchenzo. He improved too. Losing him felt not right. Bestest shooter. You don't trade guys like him, you don't move guys like him to the bench. Unless you have a bigger plan and can see the bigger picture. He has too much swagger to be a 6 MOTY. He could have challenged anyone in the league for the starting 2. Mikal better be all that. And I think he is.

So don't expect the Knicks of yesteryear. This team will operate on a different level. You never got to see the Nova Knicks? NBA is different position-wise. You would have to sit OG or Randle to have theNova boys share the court. And that's assuming that one of OG/Randle is hurt. It wasn't meant to be unless Donte said " I want the 6th man role"

I expect a lot of blowouts this year. When Mikal/OG gets under the skin of your best player and you cannot stop the Knicks in the paint nor behind the 3 point line it's not pretty. Or it's simply beautiful depending on which bench you are sitting on


I still can't get over the game KAT scored 62 against the Hornets and the coach had to bench him because he was playing selfishly and his defense sucked. The Wolves lost that game. I think Jimmy Butler is a moron, but I believe he was right about KAT. Nice enough guy but too soft. KAT is a better shooter by far. Randle is a better creator and this trade just means more pressure on Brunson. We can massage this as much as we want, but KAT is consistently bad on defense. 4, 5 it doesn't matter. And now we've added more injury prone frontcourt players while clipping our depth. I've said it before and I've heard it said in other articles and podcasts. KAT isn't that much better than Randle. We gave up too much.

KAT has not been surrounded by players that he has now. It's not like Randle made plays to just involve teammates he is no Sanonis/Vlade Divac. He dribbled into the D for a spinover. Then he learned that there is actually passing. KAT might be a better passer, time will tell. Soft vs not soft argument.... How about we call is finesse/bbiq vs bullyball/heroball? You see where I am going with this?
KAT is bad on defense? How about Randle? I think it's a draw with KAT having a slight edge actually. How many blocks does Randke have? How many possessions dies he just stay behind to argue with refs?
Yes the team will look different, that's undeniable. It worked out for the Celtics.
Injury is not going to be a good argument if you look at Randkes last year, or the year before for that matter.
How about playoff performance? Randle has shat his bed every time. Not a good look, while KAT has taken his team to the WCF.

KAT's BBIQ is the one thing Wolves fans agree isn't good. As for defense, I know Randle can adequately guard his position and is switchable. I'm still trying to figure out how Thibs is going to hide KAT defensively.

To be clear, you think KAT is the worse defender than Randle? Can you back that up? I don’t believe this to be true.

I believe that KAT at power forward slot is a worse defender than Randle and that KAT as a traditional center destroys teams defensively. I'm not thrilled at the prospect of an injury prone OG having to bang with bigs down low in order to cover for KAT.


This is where we differ. KAT at PF on the block will be no worse than Randle, who was average. At C KAT will be head and shoulders better than Randle. Traditional or not

Yes, this is where I disagree. KAT has been shown to destroy his teams defensively when he plays defense at center. Thibs didn't help him much before. Low IQ on the drop, a step slow meeting his man and weak. Realistically, there aren't many PFs to worry about on the block these days. Hell have to guard on the perimeter and he's not as good as that as Randle.

That would be a point if Randke ever made an attempt to run out to challenge a 3 point shot. He hasn't. His best D has been on the block. So there. KAT will be no worse.


Yeah, again I disagree. I think Jules best defensive attribute was his ability to switch with his frame and move his feet on the perimeter one on one. More useful on switch everything scheme. Of course we have OG, but that's wasted if he has to guard the other teams center for extended periods of time. Look, I hope I'm wrong and I'll be the first person to admit if I am. As of now, I'm not feeling this move.

I hear you man. And I agree, his best defensive attribute was exactly that,but in theory only. Except he was never that guy. I don't think that closing out strong on a 3 point shooter was ever in his bag. Yes, down low he did his best. Covering ppls behind the 3 point line is a different story

Clean @ 9/28/2024 6:41 PM

I am starting to see the vision. Kat will replace what IHart did for us in the offense while being a better shooter and generally worse defender. There was some matchups that IHart stuggled with also.
Clean @ 9/28/2024 6:44 PM

My boy going to shine.
Nalod @ 9/28/2024 6:47 PM
Clean wrote:
I am starting to see the vision. Kat will replace what IHart did for us in the offense while being a better shooter and generally worse defender. There was some matchups that IHart stuggled with also.


iHart struggled vs. Embiid. Mitch did better. Precious and OG were irritating to him. In the end Embiid wore down. Remember he was gaining as the series went on. He was returning from injury. That we can throw Mitch, Sims, precious and KAT on him will matter.
ramtour420 @ 9/28/2024 6:48 PM
Clean wrote:
My boy going to shine.

Yeah, makes for much better fundamental basketball

ramtour420 @ 9/28/2024 6:51 PM
Nalod wrote:
Clean wrote:
I am starting to see the vision. Kat will replace what IHart did for us in the offense while being a better shooter and generally worse defender. There was some matchups that IHart stuggled with also.


iHart struggled vs. Embiid. Mitch did better. Precious and OG were irritating to him. In the end Embiid wore down. Remember he was gaining as the series went on. He was returning from injury. That we can throw Mitch, Sims, precious and KAT on him will matter.

This is huge. How is Embiid going to cover Towns? I like it

martin @ 9/28/2024 6:53 PM
Clean wrote:
My boy going to shine.

Oh yeah!

martin @ 9/28/2024 6:53 PM

martin @ 9/28/2024 6:55 PM
He the Brunson of centers

martin @ 9/28/2024 6:57 PM
Deep fake has its charms some times

martin @ 9/28/2024 7:13 PM
martin @ 9/28/2024 7:15 PM
Store brand Ragu?

martin @ 9/28/2024 7:21 PM
Bro got skills

ToddTT @ 9/28/2024 7:38 PM
Mitch has become my least favorite Knick.

EwingsGlass @ 9/28/2024 7:41 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
martin wrote:Um OK

Makes sense. They were going into the season hoping their rookie could provide perimeter scoring. I think that's asking too much from Dillingham. That said, I really like Minnesota's bench going forward.

DDV is a huge value. We will miss him for sure. Among league leaders in defections, that’s a combination of effort and athleticism. He brought it every night. Never occurred to me he might be moved.

Minnesota must let Randle walk. They cannot afford to keep him. Same way they couldn’t afford KAT. His value is if they can flip him without taking back long term salary.

EwingsGlass @ 9/28/2024 7:45 PM
ToddTT wrote:Mitch has become my least favorite Knick.

Mitch isn’t wrong. Might be feeling displaced with KAT coming in. I mf-ing love MitchBeast. He does put his body on the line. He does do the work. The blue collar stuff. He abuses the boards and makes less big men look like children. He deserves absolute respect.

DLeethal @ 9/28/2024 7:54 PM
Me thinks Mitch is gone in next 48 hrs … just seems off and we need to bring in a few bodies
martin @ 9/28/2024 7:54 PM
Kudos

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