ToddTT wrote:
reading the game thread is interesting. Amazing.
Rookie wrote:Reggie Miller’s vagina must be sore after calling this game
you make it like Vag is a bad thing? If reggie had one at least would have something to talk about.
I get some might not like Doris but she is often very well prepared. She does drag out points but she does bring content. Reggie was awful last week when we played Detroit.
What a win! So pumped up from the win that I can't even fall asleep right now. This win felt like Mike Tyson vs Buster Douglas. Nobody was giving us a chance and we went out there and landed a clean punch on the chin to put them on the ground.
Its funny that before the playoffs some posters wanted to avoid facing the Pistons and wanted an easier matchup, but I think that Piston's series was a blessing in disguise. All season long we talked about how something was just lacking with this team, they just didn't have that spirit that last year's team had. I think they learned something from that Pistons series, they learned how to fight, and how to grind out wins as a team. That series awakened the inner dog in this team and now they are taking the fight to the Celtics.
One interesting thing to think about is last year, the Celtics, due to every single team they faced having injuries to key players, basically had a cakewalk to their championship. They never really had to grind for wins, they just steamrolled over everyone they faced. We are pretty much their first real test when you think about it. I think the challenge will be to keep it close until the 4th and then we have a shot at tearing their hearts out like we did today. Also, lets hope KP is missing for as long as possible. With KP out, Mitch can set up shop in the paint and gobble up rebounds as well as block/alter shots.
Nalod wrote:Rookie wrote:Reggie Miller’s vagina must be sore after calling this game
you make it like Vag is a bad thing? If reggie had one at least would have something to talk about.
I get some might not like Doris but she is often very well prepared. She does drag out points but she does bring content. Reggie was awful last week when we played Detroit.
We get spoiled by getting to listen to Breen and Clyde all season and then getting stuck with the national announcers in the playoffs.
To OAKAAK Greg Anthony is the best. Yesterday in Cleveland he literally called the next play when the cavs inbounded in the back court. Lots of great insight but he lacks the brand name recognition of Reggie and Grant who seldom have any insight. Doris has the annoying habit of calling everyone Mr. I cringe every time she says it.
DLeethal wrote:Chandler wrote:What a gameSo was it a change in D that threw celts shooting odd or did they just go cold?
Now let’s steal the next one too
Both but we are playing much different defense then we did in the regular season which was primarily drop and also against DET which was a hedge and recover style defense. Knicks switched everything 1 thru 5 tonight. That’s basically prevent defense against 3s.
That's what Orlando did for great success in round one- problem was the magic are so weak offensively that they weren't able to score enough to win.
Knicks achilles heel all season was Brunson and KAT on defense. Basically the Celtics just hunted those two on switches and then jacked up a 3. They both did a great job of getting a hand up and more importantly not fouling the shooter.
Post game Mazzula said he was happy with taking 60 3s.I'm guessing Celtics don't radically change their shot diet. Biggest danger for New York is if the Celtics start to lean on Holiday more to handle the ball. He can beat the Knicks off the pass but was more or less side lined tonight.
DLeethal wrote:Chandler wrote:What a gameSo was it a change in D that threw celts shooting odd or did they just go cold?
Now let’s steal the next one too
Both but we are playing much different defense then we did in the regular season which was primarily drop and also against DET which was a hedge and recover style defense. Knicks switched everything 1 thru 5 tonight. That’s basically prevent defense against 3s.
Yeah they decided to stick with switching and it worked early in the game, then KAT got into foul trouble and we fell behind. They kept switching and Boston was taking tough 3s and we got hot. Im not sure there has been another game where we stayed that committed to switching.
DLeethal wrote:Chandler wrote:What a gameSo was it a change in D that threw celts shooting odd or did they just go cold?
Now let’s steal the next one too
Both but we are playing much different defense then we did in the regular season which was primarily drop and also against DET which was a hedge and recover style defense. Knicks switched everything 1 thru 5 tonight. That’s basically prevent defense against 3s.
Thanks! I saw all the switching but why were the celts still chucking 3s rather than driving on the mismatches which is what I thought they were doing in the past eg pnr to get KAT on ball and then drive by KAT
Denver/Joker reminding everyone they are still relevant.
One more question for anyone who knows this stuff. What is bostons secret sauce on D? They had kornet, Pritchard and Tatum out there together. At an individual level they should suck yet they don’t. They also roll out 38(?) year old horFord and KP each of whom should be vulnerable on the perimeter. Sam hauser etc
I know it can be lumped into team defense label but how precisely do they cover up these weaknesses?
NYStateOfMind wrote:BK was more consistent throughout the game, JB is more clutch. Different positions, so not exactly easy to compare. But BK was special to watch, sometimes it seemed he would never miss.SupremeCommander wrote:I have a question for the older gentlemanWhat was better, Bernard King's run or what JB is doing? Last time I asked that I was told BK was more dominant. How does this year's run stack up?
Thanks for perspective. My dad always talked about BK and I wish I could ASK him and shook BK and tell him about JB
I know he always wished BK and Pat always played together in their healthy primes
Someone in the office this morning was telling me the Bridges corner 3 in Overtime banked in? I didnt notice that
Slept thru game and we won !!! I'm keeping this up. My brethren what was your single favorite play of the game ?
Chandler wrote:One more question for anyone who knows this stuff. What is bostons secret sauce on D? They had kornet, Pritchard and Tatum out there together. At an individual level they should suck yet they don’t. They also roll out 38(?) year old horFord and KP each of whom should be vulnerable on the perimeter. Sam hauser etcI know it can be lumped into team defense label but how precisely do they cover up these weaknesses?
They have some Elite perimeter defenders like Holiday who is maybe the best 1 on 1 defender in the league. But I think you have guys like White who makes tremendous help defense plays, and Tatum who is so lengthy and mobile that he can guard 1 to 5. Horford is old, but has always been a really good defensive player. They can play pure 5 man switching defense. Strategically they are smart too - they will exploit advantages on both ends, so on the defensive end they feel like they can stick KP on Hart and let KP protect the rim. They can hide their lesser defenders, but I think everyone on their team competes. I see Pritchard compet
That said I also think they just benefit from the fact that they pressure you by taking so many 3s. The deficits start to pile up so you chase 3's too - and if that's not a comfortable part of your offense, then they throw you off your game as well. I see guys like Pritchard and Kornet competing out there even if you would not think of them as great defenders.
That said I still think Boston is susceptible to runs. They will go cold from 3 for a periods and will give up some leads. Even in the games we got blown out, I recall us making several runs to cut it to mid single digits in those games. Of course then Boston can get hot again, get a 3 a steal and another 3 and shut the run down in a matter of seconds.
Oh snap, I did NOT see the bank in real time either.
I think Mitch was really impactful. Yes he can't catch the ball, yes he can't make the FT. Now that this is established, can we do a couple of things
1) Don't throw him the ball in traffic or make some kind of fancy lead pass where he has to adjust to the ball
2) Avoid use him in the situations where Hack a Mitch is possible - i.e. more than 2 mins in the quarter with the opposing team in the penalty. If KAT is in foul trouble, I understand we have limited options, but this is at least 3 games now where this strategy has been deployed on us, and if we can find a way to get through a few mins without Mitch/KAT with Precious or even going smaller, that's probably better than us coming away with 2 pts from 3 possessions or whatever rate he's hitting at. Honestly this isn't a bad series for the corpse of PJ Tucker. The Celtics bigs are not gonna bang you inside offensively. Even with what he gives up in height, he can box out and also defend more on the perimeter. If we're talking about covering up 2-3 mins its something to think about.
Where Mitch has really evolved is not getting hit with the stupid aggressive touch fouls on switches (like KAT does). He has done fantastic when switched onto the likes of Cade/Tatum so far in containing these guys. He also draws so much attention under the boards.
martin wrote:DLeethal wrote:Philc1 wrote:gradyandrew wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:NYStateOfMind wrote:How about the hack a Mitch 8 minutes before that?
gradyandrew wrote:Really the only time Knicks looked lost were in Precious minutes.
The answer is both. Achiuwa isn’t helpful and Mitch is unplayable in the playoffs with the fouling. Knicks need to address the backup big this summer. We just need a Paul Reed type.
We made that big comeback with Mitch at center. Mitch pressured Tatum on that missed 3 late in the game. And defended the inbound pass in crunch time. F the missed free throws, Mitch played a role in this win with defense and rebounding. We dont play him we lose.
3-10 free throws but +13 for the game. Maybe start Robinson and bring Hart off the bench? If he starts quarters, Celtics have to foul 5 times before he goes to the line.
Mitch needs to play. In addition to his rebounding, shot blocking and rebounding he as a perimeter defender gets in passing lanes and changes shots. Celts had a lot of trouble in-bounding at the end of regulation and OT because of Mitch.
Just make 50% of your FTs
Just like Thibs said postgame there is a reason they are fouling him to try and make him unplayable. They don’t want him on the court. If they did they wouldn’t foul him like that.
Not sure if I’ve ever thought of it that way
This is exactly what I was thinking. Mitch just stopped them from getting to the paint. Thibs needs to coach around this. They will not foul him if they are not on the penalty. Once Celtics are on penalty and they start hack-a-shaq then take him out. Bring him back on the 2 min mark. I think Precious is a bad matchup vs the Celts. He plays better against young, long, athletic players like the Cavs, Indy and Detroit. Maybe cross your fingers and give Huktuah some burn. Can't play any worse than Precious.
GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:NYStateOfMind wrote:How about the hack a Mitch 8 minutes before that?
gradyandrew wrote:Really the only time Knicks looked lost were in Precious minutes.
The answer is both. Achiuwa isn’t helpful and Mitch is unplayable in the playoffs with the fouling. Knicks need to address the backup big this summer. We just need a Paul Reed type.
We made that big comeback with Mitch at center. Mitch pressured Tatum on that missed 3 late in the game. And defended the inbound pass in crunch time. F the missed free throws, Mitch played a role in this win with defense and rebounding. We dont play him we lose.
yea Mitch is a noticeable upgrade on D, by far a team best +13. He impacted the game.
Just can't play him when other teams are in the penalty or the last 2 minutes of quarters, so that's something Thibs has to figure out, maybe take KAT out earlier or play them together earlier. But Mitch's 20mpg are crucial for us.
We just need OG and Mikal to stop feeding him bullet passes.
Precious brings very little, he's just so unaware out there at times.
King missing a season perhaps set up the 23 win season that put knicks in position to win the lottery and get Ewing. If not for that maybe Ewing not a Knick?
In mid 1980's ACL was a death sentence. King Missed final 27 games the year he got hurt, Missed all 82 games the next season, and played just 6 games Ewings Rookie season. Given the timeline and injury expectations few players return to form after age 30 from serious injuries, let alone the ACL in that era. It sucked, and it was a shame, but Knicks had little insight to Bernards return to form after such along layoff and state.
King Mostly scored from midrange and in the paint with a frenetic quickness that was electrifying! His jumper was super fun to watch as he had a knack to rise and then get it off really fast. He was not a high flyer like Dr J were he could seeming stay in the air but did something different which was jump quick. He'd get to the rim in ways you did not anticipate then explode to the rim. I don't recall him probing and taking time dribbling. could be 40 years removed and perhaps his legend even in my pragmatic mind only recalls the great games or moments. I watched both back to back 50 pt games and it was super fun.
Playoffs? Just 28 games in his career. 18 with knicks. For sure a memorable series vs. Detroit. 12 games that season.
I was a bit surprised he got to HOF. Played 3 years in college, was an 1 team all American, no chips, no olympic history. Some guys like Bill Bradley had incredible college career to boost their HOF resume. Some like Spencer Haywood was MVP and ROY in ABA and carried the Olympic team in 1968 to dress up their HOF resume. Peak Bernard King was more than worthy but it was not sustained.
He was arrested for theft in college, alcohol issues with Nets, and some early problems with GSW. By age 25 he was clean and made his first Allstar team with GSW. The next 4 years in NY were incredible and he made an allstar team at age 34. He played 64 games that season and again was injured, missed a whole season again and signed with nets at age 36 playing 34 games and retired in 1993. Made 4 all NBA teams. Im glad he was so honored and perhaps his perseverance to over come many of his demons and physical injuries weighed in on the writers who revisited his career voting him in 20 years after he retired. This is a guy who matured and became the "Consummate Professional".
He was a knick for 5 seasons. Played 4. 206 games. That was it. Short but sweet.
martin wrote:Difference between inexperienced Detroit and been there done that Celtics right here
Hard to hate this guy. Wait... He is a Celtic. Fuck him!
Precious is probably unplayable right now. He has lost whatever discipline he had and is just a disaster any time he gets near the ball. The Celtics destroyed him during the regular season and will make sure the ball gets in hands on offense - its almost the equivalent of Hack a Mitch as a strategy.
Just dropping a thought in at this moment. I was absolutely a fan of Barrett and Quickly, but that trade for OG may go down as one of the greatest trades in Knick's history. Brunson's ascension (and his and Hart's incredible press conference performances) has drawn most of the media attention (deservedly) but OG is more quietly just as important to this team in so many ways. It's amazing that he almost impossibly can get overlooked. Well, not so much during that mother-of-all-dunks in OT last night.
I see you, OG.
