DLeethal wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:DLeethal wrote:Stars aligning
This would be good if it was 2015.
So many times we forget the age of a player and focus on what they did 10 years ago.
This replaces our PF issue but means KAT stays at the 5. Meaning no rim protection and a weak defensive PF. One who will need a lot of shots. Something that’s already at a premium with JB and KAT.
I’m totally aware of his age and ability to produce as a top tier second option for 2-3 years. I would also only do a KAT swap.
The *need* to make a trade like this is lessened with the Thibs firing though. I’m way more open to a new coach trying new things with the current roster than running it back square with Thibs.
KD still scores more easily and efficiently than 99% of the league - not sure what’s going on in Phx but I did view him as a cancer in GS where he was 2 time finals mvp or in NJ where it was Kyrie and Harden who blew that team up first IMO.
NardDogNation wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Brunson and Rick stay. KAT stays. We hire a coach that opens up the Brunson+ KAT combo on offense and finds a way to play d with them on court. That's the plan. No to KD. We have something special over here. Two all NBA players and a nice supporting cast around them + nice options to develop down the pipeline
That's probable. KD is one of the players I dislike most in the league but I'd be intrigued if the deal was only for KAT. The cap flexibility alone after 2027 without KAT is worth it alone.
Why do people hate Durant so much?
Guy seems to work harder than anybody and is a soft spoken all time great.
I get he didn’t choose Knicks a few years ago but not butt hurt by that personally.
I kind of like that he occasionally goes back at stupid people on line as well - doesn’t bother me a bit.
He’d probably be best player to ever suit up for Knicks even at 37 in Nov — he’s 6 months younger than Steph.
fishmike wrote:NardDogNation wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Brunson and Rick stay. KAT stays. We hire a coach that opens up the Brunson+ KAT combo on offense and finds a way to play d with them on court. That's the plan. No to KD. We have something special over here. Two all NBA players and a nice supporting cast around them + nice options to develop down the pipeline
That's probable. KD is one of the players I dislike most in the league but I'd be intrigued if the deal was only for KAT. The cap flexibility alone after 2027 without KAT is worth it alone.
boy that's a bad trade. Basically a salary dump for a 29 year old big who started in the AS game and just went to b2b conference finals in both leagues. Just a terrible phucking trade.
I think Knicks would get more pieces/parts back in straight Kat/KD trade even if it has to be done as 2 trades.
KD is better offensively than Kat without all the boneheads fouls, and is a better defender —- issue is Kat being 7 years younger but I only care about 2-4 year window.
Remember Kat only got Julius/Donte in last trade — I could easily argue KD is worth Julius/Donte.
Rookie wrote:nycericanguy wrote:i agree, KAT's gotta go in a Giannis trade. You don't need 3 superstars anyway.It would have to probably be KAT + OG for Giannis.
KAT for Freak works straight up. How are you adding an extra 36M to this deal and making it work? OG + Mitch also works. Jalen + Mitch would also work
Take more back from Bucks - maybe Portia or Lopez or Kuzma.
LivingLegend wrote:Philc1 wrote:ToddTT wrote:Has Durant ever won anything?
Not without Steph, Klay and Draymond doing everything for him.
Huh? He was MVP in 2 finals with GS.
Those were pity MVP trophies.
KD's legacy will be defined by his big toe.
LivingLegend wrote:NardDogNation wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Brunson and Rick stay. KAT stays. We hire a coach that opens up the Brunson+ KAT combo on offense and finds a way to play d with them on court. That's the plan. No to KD. We have something special over here. Two all NBA players and a nice supporting cast around them + nice options to develop down the pipeline
That's probable. KD is one of the players I dislike most in the league but I'd be intrigued if the deal was only for KAT. The cap flexibility alone after 2027 without KAT is worth it alone.
Why do people hate Durant so much?
Guy seems to work harder than anybody and is a soft spoken all time great.
I get he didn’t choose Knicks a few years ago but not butt hurt by that personally.
I kind of like that he occasionally goes back at stupid people on line as well - doesn’t bother me a bit.
He’d probably be best player to ever suit up for Knicks even at 37 in Nov — he’s 6 months younger than Steph.
You may be forgetting some of his snide comments at the time. In response to questions about the Knicks his responses were more like “are you serious” w a sneer.
A good friend of mine is long time okc fan. He was super rightfully pissed in the way Durant left. Okc got nothing for him. He didn’t want to deplete gs. That said when he left gs situation changed.
He’s very talented and intriguing but too risky and old. I also worry about chemistry and toughness.
martin wrote:Hmmmmk
I can almost guarantee the offer (or potential offer again this summer is) OG and Mitch to Phoenix, with a 3rd player going from the Knicks to a 3rd team to make the money work. It’s a very clean trade. Knicks only need to include a minimum contract, although I fear it would be Deuce to a 3rd team to bring back a pick for the suns. OG, Mitch, the Washington pick, and a pick from a 3rd team for Phoenix. Maybe they can do better, but it depends on what they are trying to accomplish I guess. As for the Knicks, no other combo of players makes sense. Bridges doesn’t make enough money like OG, and it’s not going to be both OG and bridges for KD. Hart isn’t getting moved, he’s best friends with Brunson and at his contract holds little value outside of the Knicks situation. I doubt KAT gets moved either. Just feels too lateral at this point. Even OG, Mitch and Deuce for KD is a gamble because they would still need to fill out the bench under the second apron. Huge gamble.
Ooof, we need a wing, or a ball moving guard. Can we get two rotation players this off-season with the vet min, MLE, and maybe a low level trade ? Does the team have the cache to attract players on the cheap ?
Maybe I’m over reading it but it almost seems like OG has been unhappy and has been shopped and is currently being shopped with Mitch for a star.
I think you swap KAT for a better/less flawed 2nd scorer, but the idea of Jalen/KAT/+3rd superstar almost gives me agita. There's only 1 ball and we can't seem to share it to people's liking with 2 superstar scorers.
Maybe nobody should be off the table, but I do shudder to think about moving OG and even moreso OG and Mitch, because what kind of defense are you hoping to play. You really want Kal, who doesn't want to make contact, to be your lead defender?
DLeethal wrote:Maybe I’m over reading it but it almost seems like OG has been unhappy and has been shopped and is currently being shopped with Mitch for a star.
trading two defensive demons for another "star" is not the route I'd take.
Scoring wasn't our issue and unless that "star" is a two way player you are now just compounding the defensive issue 10x over.
I think you can justify moving KAT because maybe you don't feel you can win with him anchoring the middle, maybe you want teams to stop hunting him in the playoffs. But to keep him, AND trade your two best defenders? can't see us that making us better no matter who that 3rd star is.
I guess you could look at this way.
Under Thibs, he wasn't going to allow us to win games by overwhelming teams offensively. That's just not his philosophy on how to win games. We got "better" defensively, especially with Mitch back, but inconsistency on defense is why we suffered through the highs and lows of the playoffs. Clearly if we could've stuck to a defensive plan and played consistently game to game, there was a chance for us. Playing amazing D in 4/6 against Boston helped us de-throne the champs.
We can follow the same school of thought- try to get more consistent defensively. Trading KAT for another star scorer who is more likely to give a consistent effort gets you there. OR, keep the roster as is, fill in depth that covers more for KAT's weaknesses and hire a coach that can breed more consistency from him and the others.
I guess there's another school of thought where you believe in KAT so much that you want to keep him, and then just give up on trying to win games with D and lean heavily on having a completely overwhelming offense. That would require dealing one or more of the "defensive" wings and hiring a coach with a free flowing offensive philosophy that can maximize 3 scorers.
As you lay out the above, I think there's routes that are simple/make more sense than others.
nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:Maybe I’m over reading it but it almost seems like OG has been unhappy and has been shopped and is currently being shopped with Mitch for a star.
trading two defensive demons for another "star" is not the route I'd take.
Scoring wasn't our issue and unless that "star" is a two way player you are now just compounding the defensive issue 10x over.
I think you can justify moving KAT because maybe you don't feel you can win with him anchoring the middle, maybe you want teams to stop hunting him in the playoffs. But to keep him, AND trade your two best defenders? can't see us that making us better no matter who that 3rd star is.
I don’t like OG and Mitch for KD. Unless they just want out of OG’s deal or something.
I like OG and Mitch for Giannis or KAT for KD.
Ngl I did wake up angry today about trading Toppin and Grimes for table scraps. Oh how we could use those guys now. I hope Knicks take care to develop Kolek, Dadiet, Hukporti. They could be the next version of Deuce/Grimes/Obi in terms of good young bench players.
DLeethal wrote:Ngl I did wake up angry today about trading Toppin and Grimes for table scraps. Oh how we could use those guys now. I hope Knicks take care to develop Kolek, Dadiet, Hukporti. They could be the next version of Deuce/Grimes/Obi in terms of good young bench players.
Obi was understandable but they should have never drafted him to begin with. Grimes though, was disappointing to give him away.
that being said, Obi makes $15m right now and Grimes will be making $20m+ so its one of those things where you cant keep everyone, especially in today's NBA.
You look back and we simply were almost TOO good at developing players.
Ihart got 29m
IQ - 35m
Grimes gonna get 20m+
RJ gonna get 30-35m.
Obi got 15m.
we traded away an entire starting 5.
I think you can all but cross CP3 off the list for this offseason. He seems like he's either gonna retire or join an LA team.
nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:Ngl I did wake up angry today about trading Toppin and Grimes for table scraps. Oh how we could use those guys now. I hope Knicks take care to develop Kolek, Dadiet, Hukporti. They could be the next version of Deuce/Grimes/Obi in terms of good young bench players.
Obi was understandable but they should have never drafted him to begin with. Grimes though, was disappointing to give him away.
that being said, Obi makes $15m right now and Grimes will be making $20m+ so its one of those things where you cant keep everyone, especially in today's NBA.
You look back and we simply were almost TOO good at developing players.
Ihart got 29m
IQ - 35m
Grimes gonna get 20m+
RJ gonna get 30-35m.
Obi got 15m.
we traded away an entire starting 5.
Fair enough, it seems in this CBA a key talent of an organization is going to be developing cheap labor on repeat to serve as role players. If they aren't used as trade bait, our young guys are gonna be critical moving forward. Especially if we see another 2 for 1 trade take place.
With regards to pairing too many starts and all that, I saw the below tweet yesterday. I think the FO wants to see Brunson with more of a Haliburton kind of impact. Haliburton went 14-6 yesterday and the Pacers beat the Thunder. Haliburton hit the game winner. Brunson takes a beating on a nightly basis, and works harder for his points than anyone in the league. I think the Knicks want him to get off ball more, take more plays off on offense, and remain the best closer in the game. I would agree I think it's a critical time to take his workload down a significant notch before the beatings catch up with him. So I'm not worried about pairing too many guys who need the ball, Brunson and Giannis or KD are very high IQ players. And Towns is actually a very high IQ offensive player. They are also very unselfish and they compliment each other very well, despite having high usage on their individual teams.
DLeethal wrote:Maybe I’m over reading it but it almost seems like OG has been unhappy and has been shopped and is currently being shopped with Mitch for a star.
OG IS UNHAPPY??!
Seriously?
Fuck OG. He got his bag and more than he's worth.
He was like the 7th or 8th most impactful player on the court in the Indiana series making $40M a year.
