DLeethal wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Anyone think JJJ is available after the Bane trade? I doubt it, I figure that was more about extending JJJ. But I know many of you hate Mikal, so swapping him for JJJ would change our positional size. It makes a Herb Jones swap for Mitch that much easier. Then you just have to teach Brunson and KAT defense. Brunson
Jones
OG
JJJ
KAT
I think it's more likely that MEM wants to use the asset haul to retool around Ja and JJJ than it is them wanting to blow it all up. They can make a power move now. JJJ would cost way more than Mikal also and based on reporting Herb Jones would cost way more than Mitch.
I agree with this. I think they have determined you can’t build around morant, JJJ and bane with the amount of the salary cap they take up, so bane had to go. This is a trade that is a fallout of the new rules.
Knixkik wrote:DLeethal wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Anyone think JJJ is available after the Bane trade? I doubt it, I figure that was more about extending JJJ. But I know many of you hate Mikal, so swapping him for JJJ would change our positional size. It makes a Herb Jones swap for Mitch that much easier. Then you just have to teach Brunson and KAT defense. Brunson
Jones
OG
JJJ
KAT
I think it's more likely that MEM wants to use the asset haul to retool around Ja and JJJ than it is them wanting to blow it all up. They can make a power move now. JJJ would cost way more than Mikal also and based on reporting Herb Jones would cost way more than Mitch.
I agree with this. I think they have determined you can’t build around morant, JJJ and bane with the amount of the salary cap they take up, so bane had to go. This is a trade that is a fallout of the new rules.
I'm the crazy one that would have traded Morant if I were Memphis.
Now that the playoffs are over, let’s get the offseason started!! Oh, wait, there’s more games….yawn
martin wrote:
Would I be right to say that since trades can't be official yet that they can alter that trade to include 3 teams and add players to the deal?
Jaren Jackson Jr makes a TON of sense for the Knicks and I think the Knicks do covet him. Biggest issue with him is rebounding, but with Thibs gone, I think its a lesser issue. He's almost the perfect 4 to slot with KAT because of his shotblocking and shooting versatility.
Supposedly the Grizz were hot on Bridges last offseason and were hot on Anunoby before, but we Wing Stopped it before they could.
That said I don't know where the Grizz are going now. By getting KCP and Cole they got useful pieces for a playoff team and still have talent and by moving Bane they cleared future apron space to accomodate JJJ extension.
Moving JJJ now would be more indicative of a tear down, so does acquiring Bridges make sense in that scenario?
If we had to choose between OG and Mikal I'm taking Mikal. He plays every game and has more of an offensive game. Not to mention the Nova connection.
But if MEM is trading everyone then I'm not sure they'd want players back as much as picks.
If they wanted to do OG and Mitch for JJJ I'd be all over it though and would probably add that WSH pick.
I also keep saying Deuce for DDV back makes sense as well.
KAT
JJJ
Mikal
DDV
Brunson
Hart as the 6th man but leaves us even thinner.
I would rather do some type of deal with KAT going out for JJJ and filler as we need more players/depth. JJJ can shoot well enough from outside and he can defend and rim protect. I really think any type of 2 for 1 type trade is the opposite of what we should be looking at...unless it's for Giannis.
You put JJJ next to KAT you still have to either sit KAT for defensive purposes or watch him get exposed as he is the weak defensive link.
Open to JJJ but not parting with OG, Mitch unless we land a true star that plays both sides of the ball
If we stick with just 2 way players around Brunson we can get by...
oh I would absolutely prefer to trade KAT for JJJ as well.
OG, Mitch, and the WAS 1st is probably the bare minimum it would take to get JJJ.
Mark Stein mentioning that Memphis has had interest in OG, Mikal and Franz Vagner in the past.
Interesting.🤨
DLeethal wrote:OG, Mitch, and the WAS 1st is probably the bare minimum it would take to get JJJ.
I don't know JJJ's game well enough. But for real?
I would not touch that type of trade at all. Too much going out, by far, for me.
2 players and prime 2nd round picks at worse, for a player where you need to negotiate a new contract for. JJJ is a player that is more injury prone and has played a TON less minutes than OG and is foul prone just like KAT (but obviously for different reasons). He is a great compliment to KAT in theory but wow, 2 players and 2 cost controlled contracts is a lot.
martin wrote:DLeethal wrote:OG, Mitch, and the WAS 1st is probably the bare minimum it would take to get JJJ.
I don't know JJJ's game well enough. But for real?
I would not touch that type of trade at all. Too much going out, by far, for me.
2 players and prime 2nd round picks at worse, for a player where you need to negotiate a new contract for. JJJ is a player that is more injury prone and has played a TON less minutes than OG and is foul prone just like KAT (but obviously for different reasons). He is a great compliment to KAT in theory but wow, 2 players and 2 cost controlled contracts is a lot.
OG/Mitch health worry the hell out of me as well.
Good point on JJJ and Kat fouling out in 1st minute of games.
OG to me wasn't as forceful or impactful as a defender as he tried to expand his offense and played more games / minutes.
We basically had to rest / rehab Mitch 90% of the season just to have him available this year - what will next year look like.
JJJ is the impactful shot blocker that could protect Kat, he also has a decent post game and a solid 3 point shot --- seems like a perfect fit next to Kat and not as clunky as OG - falling down all over the court. JJJ is still young though (only 25) -- I think I might go for that deal because it slides Kat to 4 on offense.
Does hurt our depth again but still only 25 - big time defensive impact guy. Maybe opens Huck minutes. Maybe we start someone else for Hart who can shoot.
I don't know - I don't know.
nycericanguy wrote:oh I would absolutely prefer to trade KAT for JJJ as well.
Interesting -- I thought Kat held up when we allowed him to guard on the perimeter and of the 3 (Kat/Mikal/OG) Kat is the ELITE offensive talent.
Thing with JJJ versus say either OG or Mikal --- he would in effect play the Mitch role as a rim protector with Kat. Thing is JJJ is far superior rim protector and shot blocker vs Mitch who barely blocked 0.5 shots per game in playoffs.
nycericanguy wrote:If we had to choose between OG and Mikal I'm taking Mikal. He plays every game and has more of an offensive game. Not to mention the Nova connection.But if MEM is trading everyone then I'm not sure they'd want players back as much as picks.
If they wanted to do OG and Mitch for JJJ I'd be all over it though and would probably add that WSH pick.
I also keep saying Deuce for DDV back makes sense as well.
KAT
JJJ
Mikal
DDV
Brunson
Hart as the 6th man but leaves us even thinner.
It is an interesting debate Mikal vs OG if we had to choose 1.
Yes OG is the more impactful/forceful defender but his offense is so damn clunky - virtually can't make a shot under any type of coverage.
Either trips or fumbles the ball on most drives and if he isn't driving or catch and shoot his only game is a step back low % shot.
Mikal on the other hand - maybe he can't play worse vs what we saw this year. First year in NY, came late to team, went from # 2 to sometimes #4 option. I think Thibs also misused him on D forcing him to go over screens all year when Mikal has the length to go under and contest on screens.
Both OG and Mikal have some serious ? marks offensively but Mikal has already shown he can show up (Phx) in late playoff games and I trust his ability to improve his shot and stay healthy long term.
OG feels like he's going to look 48 when he's turning 30.
LivingLegend wrote:nycericanguy wrote:oh I would absolutely prefer to trade KAT for JJJ as well.
Interesting -- I thought Kat held up when we allowed him to guard on the perimeter and of the 3 (Kat/Mikal/OG) Kat is the ELITE offensive talent.
Thing with JJJ versus say either OG or Mikal --- he would in effect play the Mitch role as a rim protector with Kat. Thing is JJJ is far superior rim protector and shot blocker vs Mitch who barely blocked 0.5 shots per game in playoffs.
Yeah but JJJ rebounds more like JJ from Good Times...
JJJ
Kat
Og
Dadiet
Jalen
KCP
Mitch
Josh
Silly me for doing this but if we can do this perhaps its a thing. Bring JJJ’s pops on the bench.
Maybe not Dadiet but a shooter.
Thank goodness, sanity reigns.
MaTT4281 wrote:Thank goodness, sanity reigns.
Let's be real. The Knicks didn't really have assets to get KD. No picks. No young talent. As an aside, there are rumors that Ishbias are having financial difficulties. They are also being sued by a number of parties, including the state of Ohio. Not sure how much this factors in, but it makes you wonder.
Ibisiha’s just bought a part of the White Sox. THeir issues are board governence. Isiah Thomas is not implicated in any wrong doing but reclassified his status as it was incorrect. Its the stench of Isiah that follows him.
True, Knicks don’t have the assets. Bradley Beal is on that roster and its a bad thing for them.
Perhaps simple fact could be Dolan has a long memory and thinks “Durant is not cool”. We are not built to take on a 54mil contract and remain contenders with KD. Giannis might be a different story but even then what remains?
