Knicks · Mike Brown will be the next NY Knicks coach (page 6)

fishmike @ 7/3/2025 2:17 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
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GustavBahler wrote:Brown is coming in knowing what got Thibs fired. He's shown he can focus on either side of the ball. I will be very suprised if our bench plays the fewest minutes in the league again. Surprised if our recent picks are an afterthought in the offense.

Just by virtue of not playing our starters more minutes than any other team in 30 plus years will help. Using the bench which was better than the amount of PT they actually got, will help.

They may have some similarities in coaching style. Doesnt mean Brown will ignore how Thibs coached last season, and not alter his game plan accordingly.

You know what they say about trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. I dont think Brown is crazy enough to make the mistakes that got Thibs fired.

Brown coached Lebron for 5 years. During that stint Lebron's MPG: 42, 41, 40, 37, 39
Those teams are the source for Brown's "good coaching record"

He had a great first year with the Kings and lost in the first round to the 6th seeded Warriors. Like what Thibs had to deal with playing the 76rs with Embiid coming back (except the Thib's coached team won).

Here is what Brown brings:
A new voice and fresh start (to a team with a clearly established top 7 rotation guys)
Clear expectations from the FO should set him up for success. Except it's the Knicks. And if you are Brown you are saying anything to ace that interview to get this job no matter what cause it's the phucking Knicks.

Doing what Thibs failed to do is the easy part. Play the bench, shoot more 3s, whatever you have pining for I hope you get it. Lets talk about the hard part. That's getting back to game 6 of the conference finals. This time in position to win it and maybe even a chip.

That's really the only part this poster cares about. I can find leadership and collaboration on pornhub. I wanna see the Knicks win a title. Brown is a ra-ra guy. Get em fired up. Do we need that? The Knicks record under Thibs after a loss says a lot about the culture. Maybe they need some ra-ra to get to the next level. That's my hope.

I thought folks were pining for an Xs and Os master. We got a cheerleader. He's middle tier NBA coach at best. His success with come down to personality and whether or not this group of players like the guy. That's it.

There is a big asterik that comes with those numbers because LeBron is hands down the most durable superstar to ever play the game. It was also chiefly the LeBron show in those years in Cleveland. Which is why he went to Miami.

With Thibs it isnt just one player playing record minutes, its the entire line-up.

If Brown can come up with something schematically to own at one time both the best offense and defense in the league. Shows he has a good grasp of Xs and Os.

We might not need a top 5 Xs and Os coach in the league. Its a balance between the roster and the coaching staff. We have a very talented roster, and the FO doesnt look like they're done yet. The coaching staff is a work in progress.

Im optimistic we will see a better version of this roster next season. The wins might not come as quick because we arent leaning on our starters so much. But over the course of the season I believe it will pay dividends.

sorry did Mike Brown know that when he was playing him 40+ a night? That's some real magical logic your selling there.

Nobody is more durable than Mikal. That means Thibs didnt overplay him? Josh is durable. Wild comment man.

My memory isnt what it used to be. But I believe you're forgetting what a freak of nature a young LeBron was back then. He also had trainers and medical staff who were telling Brown in real time how he was holding up.

Bridges is on a squad that was far more talented then the one Lebron was on. Which is why he was right to ask "why so many minutes"?

Im not forgetting anything. Im looking at 5 years of data, playing your best guy 40 minutes plus and having subpar playoff performances with 3 of 5 years getting bounced in the semis as a 1/2 seed. 3 of 5 years dude was beaten by a lower seed.

Its just funny watching the anti Thibs crowd get so behind a players coach who ride or dies with "his guys," doesnt adjust and has a wildly spotty playoff resume. Im sure he's gonna be a great man

Knicksfan @ 7/3/2025 2:56 PM
Uptown wrote:So, for those who are keeping score at home, Mike Brown wasn't resposible for the number 1 offense in the league when he coached Sac-Town, it was his assistant coach, Jordi Fernandez? Who by the way, lead the Nets to a bottom 5 offensive rating this past season....

Also, Browns trip to the finals and all the wins he had in the playoffs in Cleveland had nothing to do with Brown, that was all Lebron?

Yep

Rosy times at the Garden. One would think we are still in the dark days…

fishmike @ 7/3/2025 3:35 PM
Knicksfan wrote:
Uptown wrote:So, for those who are keeping score at home, Mike Brown wasn't resposible for the number 1 offense in the league when he coached Sac-Town, it was his assistant coach, Jordi Fernandez? Who by the way, lead the Nets to a bottom 5 offensive rating this past season....

Also, Browns trip to the finals and all the wins he had in the playoffs in Cleveland had nothing to do with Brown, that was all Lebron?

Yep

Rosy times at the Garden. One would think we are still in the dark days…

right... like hearing all year how bad Thibs is and how we have to move on and how he's gonna run our players into the ground. All year. Then all our guys last, we pull off an epic upset and with all our guys healthy go farther than ever. Yet you have 10 guys here who post daily that act like the guy is an anchor.

Its ok to want to win a title and be underwhelmed by the hire. Dark times is Isiah selling us a Steve Francis trade or the Trump administration deporting our fan base.

Im not gonna hate on Mike Brown. Lets hope this is the players coach for our players. This is an incredibly MEH move for a team hoping to move the needle and win a title

martin @ 7/3/2025 3:37 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6471316...

I'd guess this another area where working more collaboratively with the coach is set apart from Thibs, ie. helping out with finding offensive coach, as Brown had in Sac when they were so good offensively.

In Sacramento, Brown would field feedback from his assistants enthusiastically, though they had to prepare first. The coaching staff understood any suggestion to Brown would come with follow-up questions — not for the sake of defiance but because their boss wanted to test their preparation. He expects the same attention to detail from his staff that he requires from himself.

While Thibodeau would often take the reins to lead practices, which isn’t common for NBA coaches, Brown delegates to the assistants in those scenarios. He has spoken extensively about how his six years under Warriors coach Steve Kerr, one of the league’s most famously collaborative leaders, changed him. This seems to be one of those ways.

TheMTL @ 7/3/2025 3:46 PM
I'll wait and see on Mike Brown. I do think that Thibs would still have his job had he been willing to play his bench more
HofstraBBall @ 7/3/2025 4:49 PM
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Not optimal when a coach is hired and then fans root for a specific assistant to be hired to help.

Only if you look at it from a weird angle.

Bringing in the best resources to your organization is always a good thing when you can. It’s a reflection on what the FO is trying to do, not necessarily an indicator of Brown.

Weird angle only if those “best resources” are not the lead assistant for the former Head Coach nor an assistant who was in the running for the job you were just hired for.

The “normal process” is for a coach to pick his own assistants. Aka, trust in the guy you just hired to put together a winning staff and one he is comfortable with. Maybe reason why Jenkins did not work out. Since that is what happened to him in Memphis and did not go well. This reeks more and more like what I have been saying. Rick and JB in charge and Dolan appeasing them with a collaborative pick.

Hey, doesn’t matter if it works and we are better. But I took off my Rose colored lenses a long time ago as a Knick fan. Or maybe it’s from being in finance for so many years. Where you see how cut throat business is. And the NBA is a huge business.

Leon and Wes did this when Thibs was hired. Make that work with the Brunson connection.

Maybe this type of thing is not of your flavor but it don’t mean it’s necessarily bad. But you went all conspiracy for no reason.

Well , my other theory in which I predicted Randle would be traded back to the Knicks fell through. So….

So if they insist on a move to keep the “Brunson connection “ happy, is that whats best for the team? For the new coach?

As for conspiracy theories, isn’t that what all fan opinions basically are?
Neither of us know why or who fired Thibs.
Nor do we know why Brown was picked or what conditions were given.
My theory leans the way it does due to the past record of our glorious owner. And the two items listed above.

Does it really matter?
Probably just here on some of these threads.
Game one is a few months away and all that will matter at the end is how much winning takes place.
My fear is that if things don’t go well, we will head closer to the pre Thibs dysfunctional Knicks where Dolan hires lackeys so he can have more say.

You were the one who brought this up as a possibility, so maybe you need to substantiate it. I think it has nothing to do with appeasing Brunson.

Think that’s what is behind collaborative narrative in Brown hiring.
Reasonable guess that it was the reason Jenkins cooled on job.
You brought up that it was done when Thibs got hired as well?

So valid question. Did adding/keeping Rick benefit the team? Maybe.
Didn’t hurt Thibs if Rick’s opinion soured on him? I think so

I really don't get this thinking.

Your thought is that "collaborative" means that the new coach much collaborate with the Brunson's on what other coaches the Knicks FO and Brown should hire?

And not the more obvious and simple version of collaboration between coaching staff and FO?

Cause that's a wild ass conspiracy theory that has no legs for me.

You still haven't answered why you said hiring Rick when Thins was hired was to "collaborate with the Brunson's" and how that is different than what I am saying is happening with Brown?

Do you know what was meant by the quote "that he was willing to collaborate"?
But let's dive into your view, as you stated, of what "collaborating with the FO" looks like?
Is it like Phil-Rambus collaboration?
Does that have to be really quoted? Aren't all coaches expected to be part of the FO dynamic?

I didn't, I think you read it wrong.

We are all guessing at what collaboration means. I don't think it means picking assistants by running it by the Brunson's. I think you said it above: "Think that’s what is behind collaborative narrative in Brown hiring."

More like these topics and others

Ok, must have then.
My take was not that Brown is running who he should hire by the Brunson’s.
More that the FO wants more say in who is on his staff.
As stated, Not optimal for a coach to be given assistants. IMHO
Specially when it is the dad of your number one player.
But yes, if he is okay with it then one would say he is more open to suggestions.
Also, Not sure if you made the point, but Rick has yet to be officially announced.

Final say on Brown is that it will be proven that his schemes are no different than most NBA coaches. Including Thibs.
Is he the right hire and was it a good decision to fire Thibs?
That will be determined by our success.
Although I did not want to see Thibs go, I am more concerned about improving the bench.

GustavBahler @ 7/3/2025 5:49 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
martin wrote:
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martin wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
martin wrote:
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martin wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
martin wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
martin wrote:

Not optimal when a coach is hired and then fans root for a specific assistant to be hired to help.

Only if you look at it from a weird angle.

Bringing in the best resources to your organization is always a good thing when you can. It’s a reflection on what the FO is trying to do, not necessarily an indicator of Brown.

Weird angle only if those “best resources” are not the lead assistant for the former Head Coach nor an assistant who was in the running for the job you were just hired for.

The “normal process” is for a coach to pick his own assistants. Aka, trust in the guy you just hired to put together a winning staff and one he is comfortable with. Maybe reason why Jenkins did not work out. Since that is what happened to him in Memphis and did not go well. This reeks more and more like what I have been saying. Rick and JB in charge and Dolan appeasing them with a collaborative pick.

Hey, doesn’t matter if it works and we are better. But I took off my Rose colored lenses a long time ago as a Knick fan. Or maybe it’s from being in finance for so many years. Where you see how cut throat business is. And the NBA is a huge business.

Leon and Wes did this when Thibs was hired. Make that work with the Brunson connection.

Maybe this type of thing is not of your flavor but it don’t mean it’s necessarily bad. But you went all conspiracy for no reason.

Well , my other theory in which I predicted Randle would be traded back to the Knicks fell through. So….

So if they insist on a move to keep the “Brunson connection “ happy, is that whats best for the team? For the new coach?

As for conspiracy theories, isn’t that what all fan opinions basically are?
Neither of us know why or who fired Thibs.
Nor do we know why Brown was picked or what conditions were given.
My theory leans the way it does due to the past record of our glorious owner. And the two items listed above.

Does it really matter?
Probably just here on some of these threads.
Game one is a few months away and all that will matter at the end is how much winning takes place.
My fear is that if things don’t go well, we will head closer to the pre Thibs dysfunctional Knicks where Dolan hires lackeys so he can have more say.

You were the one who brought this up as a possibility, so maybe you need to substantiate it. I think it has nothing to do with appeasing Brunson.

Think that’s what is behind collaborative narrative in Brown hiring.
Reasonable guess that it was the reason Jenkins cooled on job.
You brought up that it was done when Thibs got hired as well?

So valid question. Did adding/keeping Rick benefit the team? Maybe.
Didn’t hurt Thibs if Rick’s opinion soured on him? I think so

I really don't get this thinking.

Your thought is that "collaborative" means that the new coach much collaborate with the Brunson's on what other coaches the Knicks FO and Brown should hire?

And not the more obvious and simple version of collaboration between coaching staff and FO?

Cause that's a wild ass conspiracy theory that has no legs for me.

You still haven't answered why you said hiring Rick when Thins was hired was to "collaborate with the Brunson's" and how that is different than what I am saying is happening with Brown?

Do you know what was meant by the quote "that he was willing to collaborate"?
But let's dive into your view, as you stated, of what "collaborating with the FO" looks like?
Is it like Phil-Rambus collaboration?
Does that have to be really quoted? Aren't all coaches expected to be part of the FO dynamic?

I didn't, I think you read it wrong.

We are all guessing at what collaboration means. I don't think it means picking assistants by running it by the Brunson's. I think you said it above: "Think that’s what is behind collaborative narrative in Brown hiring."

More like these topics and others

Ok, must have then.
My take was not that Brown is running who he should hire by the Brunson’s.
More that the FO wants more say in who is on his staff.
As stated, Not optimal for a coach to be given assistants. IMHO
Specially when it is the dad of your number one player.
But yes, if he is okay with it then one would say he is more open to suggestions.
Also, Not sure if you made the point, but Rick has yet to be officially announced.

Final say on Brown is that it will be proven that his schemes are no different than most NBA coaches. Including Thibs.
Is he the right hire and was it a good decision to fire Thibs?
That will be determined by our success.
Although I did not want to see Thibs go, I am more concerned about improving the bench.

With Thibs it was not so much who was being substituted, but when. Sounds like the FO is looking to sharpen up the response time to what is happening on the court. Not so much time outs, but more substitutions. An opportunity for the yoots to earn minutes. Cant really say that was the case with bottom of the league minutes for the bench.

Two things can be true at the same time. We wouldnt be this competitive without Thibs. He turned the Knicks into a feared team. Especially on the road.

It can be also true that Thibs strategy puts more chips in the regular season than about any other team. Young players cant grow without minutes. Veteran subs cant get a reliable shot going in most cases without PT Playing in practice vs. teammates who know your game inside out has only so much utility

Brown might not be the perfect coach, but he might be the perfect coach for us. Part of many championship teams. A willingness to develop players. A coach who knows how to manage stars. He knows what went right with the Knicks, and what went wrong. If the FO thought that Thibs was willing to change course on his bedrock philosophy, when it comes to his starters. That we've seen across three teams. I'm guessing that Leon and Dolan wouldnt have made this move.

I dont believe Thibs is consistently at the bottom of the player's head coach rankings because they think he's a jerk, or a bully. Maybe rigid to the point of not taking a lot to be on the outside looking in. And when millions of $$$ are are at stake, thats not a good place to be.

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