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djsunyc @ 4/29/2009 1:35 PM
cano's not just on a streak:
In three plate appearances against Edwin Jackson last night, Robinson Cano saw 27 pitches. He saw 12 pitches in the fourth inning and 10 more in the sixth. That played a huge role in driving up the right-hander’s pitch count. Jackson had to leave a shutout after six innings because he had thrown 117 pitches.

Cano is averaging 3.64 pitches per plate appearance. That’s not great, but it’s a jump up from 3.35 a year ago. Cano has walked eight times in 91 plate appearances. It took him 122 PAs to get eight walks last season.
Rookie @ 4/29/2009 1:56 PM
With Damon, Matsui and Nady all becoming free agents this off-season and most of our other needs in good shape, I think it's a pretty safe bet that Cash will turn his attention to our biggest needs which look to be LF, RF and DH. I guess you could also say that we could really use a traditional speed/OBP lead off hitter as well.

The 2010 FA class isn't looking that strong

Left fielders
Jason Bay
Carl Crawford - $10MM club option with a $1.25MM buyout
Johnny Damon
Matt Holliday
Hideki Matsui

Center fielders
Rick Ankiel
Coco Crisp - $8MM club option with a $500K buyout

Right fielders
Jermaine Dye - $12MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
Brian Giles
Ken Griffey Jr.
Vladimir Guerrero
Xavier Nady
Magglio Ordonez - $15MM club/vesting option with a $3MM buyout

DHs
Jason Giambi
Aubrey Huff
Gary Sheffield

Although Yanks brass has always liked Guerrero, he has shown no interest in playing on the East Coast or for the Yankees. We do have Austin Jackson in the minors, but I'm not sure if he'll be ready for the big leagues in 2010. Jason Baty would mike a good addition and definitely P.O. the sawx nation if we could sign him, but there's no denying that we really need to address weaknesses at these positions this year through trade options.

Any thoughts??
nyk4ever @ 4/29/2009 1:57 PM
I think the Yankees #1 goal this offseason should be to get Carl Crawford. He plays a good LF and would be a perfect replacement for leadoff here.
sebstar @ 4/29/2009 2:45 PM
Hughes' development is a franchise changer for the Yanks.
Rookie @ 4/29/2009 2:51 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I think the Yankees #1 goal this offseason should be to get Carl Crawford. He plays a good LF and would be a perfect replacement for leadoff here.

I think Matt Holiday could get some consideration as well.
Rookie @ 4/29/2009 2:57 PM
Posted by sebstar:

Hughes' development is a franchise changer for the Yanks.

It was one game. Let's see what happens after hitters get a chance to review the tape and then face him. I think we need to be patient with this kid. He does have talent but I'm not sure that hitters aren't going to adjust and start to light him up. I'm hoping for the best, but I think he still needs more time to develop and he needs to develop another pitch or two.
TMS @ 4/29/2009 3:07 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Cano is one of the streakiest players I've seen. When he gets on a hot streak he really gets on one....basically gets 2-3 hits every game.

historically he's been streaky but this season he's been hitting from day one... i think nyk mentioned he'd have a chance to win a batting title this season, & from the way he's looked this season & the fact he usually starts to heat up later on in the season, i have to agree w/him.
TMS @ 4/29/2009 3:12 PM
Posted by Rookie:
Posted by nyk4ever:

I think the Yankees #1 goal this offseason should be to get Carl Crawford. He plays a good LF and would be a perfect replacement for leadoff here.

I think Matt Holiday could get some consideration as well.

he's already been quoted as saying he'd like to play in NY, & his father wants him to play in NY also... i think it's only a matter of time before the rumors start to fly, especially w/Damon playing as horribly in the field as he is... but knowing Cashman he'll want to give Austin Jackson a look before he makes any big trades for older vets.
nyk4ever @ 4/29/2009 4:35 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Rookie:
Posted by nyk4ever:

I think the Yankees #1 goal this offseason should be to get Carl Crawford. He plays a good LF and would be a perfect replacement for leadoff here.

I think Matt Holiday could get some consideration as well.

he's already been quoted as saying he'd like to play in NY, & his father wants him to play in NY also... i think it's only a matter of time before the rumors start to fly, especially w/Damon playing as horribly in the field as he is... but knowing Cashman he'll want to give Austin Jackson a look before he makes any big trades for older vets.

I'd much rather have Crawford...
TMS @ 4/29/2009 4:44 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Rookie:
Posted by nyk4ever:

I think the Yankees #1 goal this offseason should be to get Carl Crawford. He plays a good LF and would be a perfect replacement for leadoff here.

I think Matt Holiday could get some consideration as well.

he's already been quoted as saying he'd like to play in NY, & his father wants him to play in NY also... i think it's only a matter of time before the rumors start to fly, especially w/Damon playing as horribly in the field as he is... but knowing Cashman he'll want to give Austin Jackson a look before he makes any big trades for older vets.

I'd much rather have Crawford...

so would i but Rays would never trade him to us... we'd have to get him in free agency & that's only if he doesn't re-sign w/the team that trades for him this year, if he's traded at all... Crawford is not a guarantee to be available to us... Holliday practically is, because there's no way OAK is going to pony up the dollars to pay him to stay & they'll most likely look to trade him to a non-divisional rival at the trade deadline this season.
nyk4ever @ 4/29/2009 4:58 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Rookie:
Posted by nyk4ever:

I think the Yankees #1 goal this offseason should be to get Carl Crawford. He plays a good LF and would be a perfect replacement for leadoff here.

I think Matt Holiday could get some consideration as well.

he's already been quoted as saying he'd like to play in NY, & his father wants him to play in NY also... i think it's only a matter of time before the rumors start to fly, especially w/Damon playing as horribly in the field as he is... but knowing Cashman he'll want to give Austin Jackson a look before he makes any big trades for older vets.

I'd much rather have Crawford...

so would i but Rays would never trade him to us... we'd have to get him in free agency & that's only if he doesn't re-sign w/the team that trades for him this year, if he's traded at all... Crawford is not a guarantee to be available to us... Holliday practically is, because there's no way OAK is going to pony up the dollars to pay him to stay & they'll most likely look to trade him to a non-divisional rival at the trade deadline this season.

Oh, I thought earlier in this thread someone said Crawford was a FA after this year? If that's wrong, my bad.
TMS @ 4/29/2009 5:00 PM
Crawford has a 2010 team option w/a $1.25 mil buyout... the Rays are under no real pressure to trade him this year.
TMS @ 4/29/2009 5:02 PM
btw, back on Brett Gardner for a moment, i'm really disappointed in his play, i thought he'd be much better than what he's shown so far... i like his defense but he can't get on base at an appreciable enough clip for us to effectively utilize his speed... i don't mind him on the bench as a pinch running/reserve late inning defensive replacement tho.

right now, i'd be in favor of taking a look at Austin Jackson & see if he's ready or not... if not we can look at stopgap trade solutions, because if i have to watch Johnny Damon playing LF 1 more inning i'm gonna go completely mental... he makes me nervous even on the most routine flyballs, which is scary.

i'd try Jackson out in the OF w/Melky & Swisher for a few games & alternate Damon & Matsui at DH... if that combo doesn't net good results u can go back to the present formula or pursue trade options... Gardner needs to go to the bench, it's becoming clear that he's not a starting calibre player.
nyk4ever @ 4/29/2009 5:13 PM
Posted by TMS:

Crawford has a 2010 team option w/a $1.25 mil buyout... the Rays are under no real pressure to trade him this year.

Since that's the case, I agree with you then. Holliday is definitely the best OF option. I will say this though.. be careful with Matt Holliday. His splits seem to indicate he's not the same kind of hitter outside of Coors Field. I don't think he's even hit a HR yet this year for Oakland either..
TMS @ 4/29/2009 5:28 PM
yeah his splits are definitely scary, but u know he's a guy the Yankees are gonna target regardless... but i do think Austin Jackson will get a look before Cashman considers any trade options for costly vets... that's been his pattern in recent years.
Bonn1997 @ 4/29/2009 7:33 PM
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PS: Anyone embarrassed to be a Yankee fan needs to get a clue. They pay a lot of money to compete every year. Maybe they don't do the right things at times, and God knows I don't agree with a lot of their decisions, but what they do are not worthy of embarrassment. If they want to spend the money, and feel that's the best route for them to go, then do it.

Hopefully it will grow some fruits finally.

[Edited by - Allanfan20 on 28-04-2009 04:07 AM]

I just want you to understand that I am embarrassed by their laziness as an organization. They are getting outworked and other organizations are running circles around them in the brain trust dept.

The Yankees are relying far too heavily on their payroll advantage. Their on the field and off the field philosophy seems to be just to wait for the three run homer. They dont have any interest in putting together a balanced team, it seems --- their work begins and ends with signing the next big free agent. Its getting nauseating.

It's just not something to be embarrassed about, in my personal opinion. It's not the RIGHT way, but it's not something to cause embarrassment. It's freaking sports. lol
I didn't say I go home and cry or something. But let me ask you this, do you take pride in the team when they win? If so, then it sounds like you view the team as a part of your self (pride and embarrassment are *self* referent feelings) only when the team is doing well. Some might say that makes you a bandwagoner.

A bandwagoner? You got your facts wrong kiddo. I've been a fan since about 92 when Toronto was dominating the AL the the Yankees still sucked. I was in 4th grade, I believe. Actually, I was on the fence between the Mets and Yankees in 3rd grade. Then I became a big fan of a player by the name of Pat Kelly and that drew me to the Yanks. After that, I grew to love Mattingly and Boggs and a young Bernie and Melido Perez and Mike Gaellgo and Valardie and Spike Owen. That was when we sucked!!! But I stuck with them and I stick with them now, just as I am sticking with the Knicks now and just as I stook with the Giants.

I take as much satisfaction in the Yanks winning as you can imagine and would kill for the Yanks to win the World Series this year. And like I said, everything isn't peaches in cream. But I'll never be embarrassed to be a fan of the team. Sorry, wont do it.

[Edited by - Allanfan20 on 28-04-2009 4:22 PM]
I was more playing around and introducing an alternative view than actually accusing you of being a bandwagoner. But would you be embarrassed or ashamed if you found out your son hit another kid on the playground? That's basically how I feel. I take so much pride in the history of the Yankees and pride in the achievements and character of a few members of the roster but am left with nothing but embarrassment by execs running the team and recent year performances of the team.

I don't get embarrassed by kids, so the truth is, no I wouldn't be embarrassed. Kids get in fights. Try another analogy that really has nothing to do with this.

Kids scream, kick, hit and fight enough for me to realize that sometimes, it's bound to happen and they are just going to have to learn.
I didn't say getting embarrassed by kids; I said getting embarrassed by YOUR kid. I think you misread the analogy. IF your kid is incapable of embarrassing you, then something is wrong. That's the only point. The specific event (hitting) may or may not have been a good example. Embarrassment is a natural emotion when your sense of self is connected to the situation. Yours clearly is when the Yankees win (unless you don't feel pride) but not when they lose. There's nothing wrong with that but it's an inconsistency that I do not have.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-29-2009 06:46 AM]

Are you a parent Bonn? Do you really know for a fact that if you don't get embarrassed by that, then something is wrong?

I'd get mad at him, and I would discipline him, depending on the situation he got in. However, to me, to be embarrassed by your kids, to me, is boarderline abusive.
OK, let's say you and your 8 year old son are doing a live interview on CNN with a black reporter for CNN. Then you're 8 year old son asks the reporter, "Are you a N--word"? This is shown live. You wouldn't feel embarrassed? Moreover, even if you wouldn't be embarrassed, you think it is simply repugnant that some parents might? The point is merely that you can be embarrassed by something or someone you're generally proud of.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-29-2009 7:34 PM]
Bonn1997 @ 4/29/2009 8:05 PM
I hope Tex is injured because otherwise his performance is mind-boggling. If it's still the wrist, then he needs to sit. He's not doing us any good anyway.
TMS @ 4/29/2009 8:18 PM
Swisher w/the 3 run HR... 3-1 Yanks... GO SWISH!
TMS @ 4/29/2009 8:30 PM
Matsui w/a bases loaded clearing double... 7-1 Yanks.

[Edited by - TMS on 04-29-2009 5:30 PM]
Bonn1997 @ 4/29/2009 8:34 PM
The offense has come alive and we might have back to back quality starts
Bonn1997 @ 4/29/2009 8:35 PM
Matsui quickly turned his season around. He's red hot
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