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Matsui quickly turned his season around. He's red hot

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PS: Anyone embarrassed to be a Yankee fan needs to get a clue. They pay a lot of money to compete every year. Maybe they don't do the right things at times, and God knows I don't agree with a lot of their decisions, but what they do are not worthy of embarrassment. If they want to spend the money, and feel that's the best route for them to go, then do it.

Hopefully it will grow some fruits finally.

[Edited by - Allanfan20 on 28-04-2009 04:07 AM]

I just want you to understand that I am embarrassed by their laziness as an organization. They are getting outworked and other organizations are running circles around them in the brain trust dept.

The Yankees are relying far too heavily on their payroll advantage. Their on the field and off the field philosophy seems to be just to wait for the three run homer. They dont have any interest in putting together a balanced team, it seems --- their work begins and ends with signing the next big free agent. Its getting nauseating.

It's just not something to be embarrassed about, in my personal opinion. It's not the RIGHT way, but it's not something to cause embarrassment. It's freaking sports. lol

I didn't say I go home and cry or something. But let me ask you this, do you take pride in the team when they win? If so, then it sounds like you view the team as a part of your self (pride and embarrassment are *self* referent feelings) only when the team is doing well. Some might say that makes you a bandwagoner.

A bandwagoner? You got your facts wrong kiddo. I've been a fan since about 92 when Toronto was dominating the AL the the Yankees still sucked. I was in 4th grade, I believe. Actually, I was on the fence between the Mets and Yankees in 3rd grade. Then I became a big fan of a player by the name of Pat Kelly and that drew me to the Yanks. After that, I grew to love Mattingly and Boggs and a young Bernie and Melido Perez and Mike Gaellgo and Valardie and Spike Owen. That was when we sucked!!! But I stuck with them and I stick with them now, just as I am sticking with the Knicks now and just as I stook with the Giants.

I take as much satisfaction in the Yanks winning as you can imagine and would kill for the Yanks to win the World Series this year. And like I said, everything isn't peaches in cream. But I'll never be embarrassed to be a fan of the team. Sorry, wont do it.

[Edited by - Allanfan20 on 28-04-2009 4:22 PM]

I was more playing around and introducing an alternative view than actually accusing you of being a bandwagoner. But would you be embarrassed or ashamed if you found out your son hit another kid on the playground? That's basically how I feel. I take so much pride in the history of the Yankees and pride in the achievements and character of a few members of the roster but am left with nothing but embarrassment by execs running the team and recent year performances of the team.

I don't get embarrassed by kids, so the truth is, no I wouldn't be embarrassed. Kids get in fights. Try another analogy that really has nothing to do with this.

Kids scream, kick, hit and fight enough for me to realize that sometimes, it's bound to happen and they are just going to have to learn.

I didn't say getting embarrassed by kids; I said getting embarrassed by YOUR kid. I think you misread the analogy. IF your kid is incapable of embarrassing you, then something is wrong. That's the only point. The specific event (hitting) may or may not have been a good example. Embarrassment is a natural emotion when your sense of self is connected to the situation. Yours clearly is when the Yankees win (unless you don't feel pride) but not when they lose. There's nothing wrong with that but it's an inconsistency that I do not have.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-29-2009 06:46 AM]

Are you a parent Bonn? Do you really know for a fact that if you don't get embarrassed by that, then something is wrong?

I'd get mad at him, and I would discipline him, depending on the situation he got in. However, to me, to be embarrassed by your kids, to me, is boarderline abusive.

OK, let's say you and your 8 year old son are doing a live interview on CNN with a black reporter for CNN. Then you're 8 year old son asks the reporter, "Are you a N--word"? This is shown live. You wouldn't feel embarrassed? Moreover, even if you wouldn't be embarrassed, you think it is simply repugnant that some parents might? The point is merely that you can be embarrassed by something or someone you're generally proud of.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-29-2009 7:34 PM]

That's a pretty extreme example Bonn. It would tell me, that if an 8 year old is saying that, that either he needs some massive therapy, or that someone that I don't know is influencing him the wrong way, or that I'm influencing him the wrong way. Since I know it wouldn't be me doing the influencing, then I'd either want to find out who is doing that to him/her, or I'd look to find a therapist immediately, rather than waste my time being embarrassed.

In the meantime, proper discipline will be set before.

With that said, that's still a pretty extreme example. How often does that really happen? Maybe there are cases, but it's probably not frequent at all. That is, if you're teaching your kid to NOT be a racist. If you are teaching your kid to be a racist, that very well could happen.

Hey Mr. Psychologist (Which btw, I'm not totally blind, I used to be a psych major myself), why are you, as a non parent, judging my future parenting methods?

another HR for Swisher! 8-1 Yanks... Xavier Nady who???

Joba's breaking stuff is falling off the table tonight.

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Posted by Allanfan20:

PS: Anyone embarrassed to be a Yankee fan needs to get a clue. They pay a lot of money to compete every year. Maybe they don't do the right things at times, and God knows I don't agree with a lot of their decisions, but what they do are not worthy of embarrassment. If they want to spend the money, and feel that's the best route for them to go, then do it.

Hopefully it will grow some fruits finally.

[Edited by - Allanfan20 on 28-04-2009 04:07 AM]

I just want you to understand that I am embarrassed by their laziness as an organization. They are getting outworked and other organizations are running circles around them in the brain trust dept.

The Yankees are relying far too heavily on their payroll advantage. Their on the field and off the field philosophy seems to be just to wait for the three run homer. They dont have any interest in putting together a balanced team, it seems --- their work begins and ends with signing the next big free agent. Its getting nauseating.

It's just not something to be embarrassed about, in my personal opinion. It's not the RIGHT way, but it's not something to cause embarrassment. It's freaking sports. lol

I didn't say I go home and cry or something. But let me ask you this, do you take pride in the team when they win? If so, then it sounds like you view the team as a part of your self (pride and embarrassment are *self* referent feelings) only when the team is doing well. Some might say that makes you a bandwagoner.

A bandwagoner? You got your facts wrong kiddo. I've been a fan since about 92 when Toronto was dominating the AL the the Yankees still sucked. I was in 4th grade, I believe. Actually, I was on the fence between the Mets and Yankees in 3rd grade. Then I became a big fan of a player by the name of Pat Kelly and that drew me to the Yanks. After that, I grew to love Mattingly and Boggs and a young Bernie and Melido Perez and Mike Gaellgo and Valardie and Spike Owen. That was when we sucked!!! But I stuck with them and I stick with them now, just as I am sticking with the Knicks now and just as I stook with the Giants.

I take as much satisfaction in the Yanks winning as you can imagine and would kill for the Yanks to win the World Series this year. And like I said, everything isn't peaches in cream. But I'll never be embarrassed to be a fan of the team. Sorry, wont do it.

[Edited by - Allanfan20 on 28-04-2009 4:22 PM]

I was more playing around and introducing an alternative view than actually accusing you of being a bandwagoner. But would you be embarrassed or ashamed if you found out your son hit another kid on the playground? That's basically how I feel. I take so much pride in the history of the Yankees and pride in the achievements and character of a few members of the roster but am left with nothing but embarrassment by execs running the team and recent year performances of the team.

I don't get embarrassed by kids, so the truth is, no I wouldn't be embarrassed. Kids get in fights. Try another analogy that really has nothing to do with this.

Kids scream, kick, hit and fight enough for me to realize that sometimes, it's bound to happen and they are just going to have to learn.

I didn't say getting embarrassed by kids; I said getting embarrassed by YOUR kid. I think you misread the analogy. IF your kid is incapable of embarrassing you, then something is wrong. That's the only point. The specific event (hitting) may or may not have been a good example. Embarrassment is a natural emotion when your sense of self is connected to the situation. Yours clearly is when the Yankees win (unless you don't feel pride) but not when they lose. There's nothing wrong with that but it's an inconsistency that I do not have.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-29-2009 06:46 AM]

Are you a parent Bonn? Do you really know for a fact that if you don't get embarrassed by that, then something is wrong?

I'd get mad at him, and I would discipline him, depending on the situation he got in. However, to me, to be embarrassed by your kids, to me, is boarderline abusive.

OK, let's say you and your 8 year old son are doing a live interview on CNN with a black reporter for CNN. Then you're 8 year old son asks the reporter, "Are you a N--word"? This is shown live. You wouldn't feel embarrassed? Moreover, even if you wouldn't be embarrassed, you think it is simply repugnant that some parents might? The point is merely that you can be embarrassed by something or someone you're generally proud of.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-29-2009 7:34 PM]

That's a pretty extreme example Bonn. It would tell me, that if an 8 year old is saying that, that either he needs some massive therapy, or that someone that I don't know is influencing him the wrong way, or that I'm influencing him the wrong way. Since I know it wouldn't be me doing the influencing, then I'd either want to find out who is doing that to him/her, or I'd look to find a therapist immediately, rather than waste my time being embarrassed.

In the meantime, proper discipline will be set before.

With that said, that's still a pretty extreme example. How often does that really happen? Maybe there are cases, but it's probably not frequent at all. That is, if you're teaching your kid to NOT be a racist. If you are teaching your kid to be a racist, that very well could happen.

Hey Mr. Psychologist (Which btw, I'm not totally blind, I used to be a psych major myself), why are you, as a non parent, judging my future parenting methods?

Maybe it happens the day before you planned to start teaching your kid about race. And maybe he simply overheard the word and didn't know it was bad. The reason doesn't matter regarding whether or not you'd feel a strong sense of embarrassment. The instant it came out I'd feel embarrassed. It's an extreme example. And the Yankees were an extreme disappointment over the past 13 months. (I'm suggesting some kind of *moral* equivalency obviously, though.)

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Posted by sebstar:

Posted by Allanfan20:

PS: Anyone embarrassed to be a Yankee fan needs to get a clue. They pay a lot of money to compete every year. Maybe they don't do the right things at times, and God knows I don't agree with a lot of their decisions, but what they do are not worthy of embarrassment. If they want to spend the money, and feel that's the best route for them to go, then do it.

Hopefully it will grow some fruits finally.

[Edited by - Allanfan20 on 28-04-2009 04:07 AM]

I just want you to understand that I am embarrassed by their laziness as an organization. They are getting outworked and other organizations are running circles around them in the brain trust dept.

The Yankees are relying far too heavily on their payroll advantage. Their on the field and off the field philosophy seems to be just to wait for the three run homer. They dont have any interest in putting together a balanced team, it seems --- their work begins and ends with signing the next big free agent. Its getting nauseating.

It's just not something to be embarrassed about, in my personal opinion. It's not the RIGHT way, but it's not something to cause embarrassment. It's freaking sports. lol

I didn't say I go home and cry or something. But let me ask you this, do you take pride in the team when they win? If so, then it sounds like you view the team as a part of your self (pride and embarrassment are *self* referent feelings) only when the team is doing well. Some might say that makes you a bandwagoner.

A bandwagoner? You got your facts wrong kiddo. I've been a fan since about 92 when Toronto was dominating the AL the the Yankees still sucked. I was in 4th grade, I believe. Actually, I was on the fence between the Mets and Yankees in 3rd grade. Then I became a big fan of a player by the name of Pat Kelly and that drew me to the Yanks. After that, I grew to love Mattingly and Boggs and a young Bernie and Melido Perez and Mike Gaellgo and Valardie and Spike Owen. That was when we sucked!!! But I stuck with them and I stick with them now, just as I am sticking with the Knicks now and just as I stook with the Giants.

I take as much satisfaction in the Yanks winning as you can imagine and would kill for the Yanks to win the World Series this year. And like I said, everything isn't peaches in cream. But I'll never be embarrassed to be a fan of the team. Sorry, wont do it.

[Edited by - Allanfan20 on 28-04-2009 4:22 PM]

I was more playing around and introducing an alternative view than actually accusing you of being a bandwagoner. But would you be embarrassed or ashamed if you found out your son hit another kid on the playground? That's basically how I feel. I take so much pride in the history of the Yankees and pride in the achievements and character of a few members of the roster but am left with nothing but embarrassment by execs running the team and recent year performances of the team.

I don't get embarrassed by kids, so the truth is, no I wouldn't be embarrassed. Kids get in fights. Try another analogy that really has nothing to do with this.

Kids scream, kick, hit and fight enough for me to realize that sometimes, it's bound to happen and they are just going to have to learn.

I didn't say getting embarrassed by kids; I said getting embarrassed by YOUR kid. I think you misread the analogy. IF your kid is incapable of embarrassing you, then something is wrong. That's the only point. The specific event (hitting) may or may not have been a good example. Embarrassment is a natural emotion when your sense of self is connected to the situation. Yours clearly is when the Yankees win (unless you don't feel pride) but not when they lose. There's nothing wrong with that but it's an inconsistency that I do not have.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-29-2009 06:46 AM]

Are you a parent Bonn? Do you really know for a fact that if you don't get embarrassed by that, then something is wrong?

I'd get mad at him, and I would discipline him, depending on the situation he got in. However, to me, to be embarrassed by your kids, to me, is boarderline abusive.

OK, let's say you and your 8 year old son are doing a live interview on CNN with a black reporter for CNN. Then you're 8 year old son asks the reporter, "Are you a N--word"? This is shown live. You wouldn't feel embarrassed? Moreover, even if you wouldn't be embarrassed, you think it is simply repugnant that some parents might? The point is merely that you can be embarrassed by something or someone you're generally proud of.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-29-2009 7:34 PM]

That's a pretty extreme example Bonn. It would tell me, that if an 8 year old is saying that, that either he needs some massive therapy, or that someone that I don't know is influencing him the wrong way, or that I'm influencing him the wrong way. Since I know it wouldn't be me doing the influencing, then I'd either want to find out who is doing that to him/her, or I'd look to find a therapist immediately, rather than waste my time being embarrassed.

In the meantime, proper discipline will be set before.

With that said, that's still a pretty extreme example. How often does that really happen? Maybe there are cases, but it's probably not frequent at all. That is, if you're teaching your kid to NOT be a racist. If you are teaching your kid to be a racist, that very well could happen.

Hey Mr. Psychologist (Which btw, I'm not totally blind, I used to be a psych major myself), why are you, as a non parent, judging my future parenting methods?

I'm judging because my sole mission in life is to prove that you and TMS are evil!

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another HR for Swisher! 8-1 Yanks... Xavier Nady who???

As long as no outfielder, including our aging Johnny D., gets injured or needs rest, then I agree.

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another HR for Swisher! 8-1 Yanks... Xavier Nady who???

As long as no outfielder, including our aging Johnny D., gets injured or needs rest, then I agree.

agree w/what? I never said i didn't want Nady as a bench player... but Swisher should be starting games.

Swisher is arguably Cashman's best trade in years.

Swisher is on pace for 54 home runs

WTF is going on? Sirens? Fans leaving?

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 04-29-2009 9:40 PM]

hughes + melancon yesterday.

joba + coke today.

the rebuilding of the farm's arms are starting to take shape at the major league level...

Yanks bullpen strikes again. It's now 8-6.

Yankees bullpen is amazing.

a 7 run lead & they make it interesting... my goodness... Joba made a case for himself tonight as a starter, & the bullpen showed once again why they need him so badly in relief.

oh stop about the bullpen - it was alphabet that messed up on a 8-1 lead. alphabet + veras are shaky...but every bullpen has some shakey players.

when the games get really important - we will use coke + melancon + bruney to get to mariano. i'll put that up against any bullpen in baseball.

this joba in the pen debate is ridiculous.

his career 4-1 at a 2.85 era as starter.. 2.85 and y'all want him to pitch the 8th? come on now...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-29-2009 10:15 PM]

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oh stop about the bullpen - it was alphabet that messed up on a 8-1 lead. alphabet + veras are shaky...but every bullpen has some shakey players.

when the games get really important - we will use coke + melancon + bruney to get to mariano. i'll put that up against any bullpen in baseball.

i dunno how anyone can project what Melancon can do over the longhaul when we've only seen him pitch 3 innings... i think we need to wait until teams get a scouting report on him & face him a couple times, & we see him pitch well in big games & big situations to determine if he can handle the setup role fulltime... we've already seen Joba do that in a relief role, which is why people pine for him to be used in a setup role... no matter what the numbers say, Joba has not been nearly as much of a dominant force as a starter than he has as a reliever.

whether you agree w/it or not, this debate about Joba is going to rage all season, until at least Bruney comes back or Melancon shows he can be the answer in the setup role longterm.

Any talk about Joba to the pen makes me want to kick puppies. Its ludicrous. He has the very real ability to be one of the best, if not the best, starting pitcher in the league. In terms of the innings they can affect, starters are worth twice as much as relievers.

it all depends on your perspective... don't undervalue the importance of a great reliever... we don't win any of those championships in the 90's w/o Mo, & that includes when he was our 7th & 8th inning relief guy in '96... a great setup man can impact 70 some odd games a year compared to 30 or so for a starter.

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it all depends on your perspective... don't undervalue the importance of a great reliever... we don't win any of those championships in the 90's w/o Mo, & that includes when he was our 7th & 8th inning relief guy in '96... a great setup man can impact 70 some odd games a year compared to 30 or so for a starter.

For only 1 inning- which may or may not be important. Our championship teams had outstanding starting pitching as well...guys that pitched great in big games.