yeah, that's why we traded away Austin Jackson, Phil Coke, Melky & Vizcaino, to get younger.
Javy (33), Granderson (29), Nick Johnson (31) & Randy Winn (35) made us younger just how exactly?
TMS wrote:yeah, that's why we traded away Austin Jackson, Phil Coke, Melky & Vizcaino, to get younger. Javy (33), Granderson (29), Nick Johnson (31) & Randy Winn (35) made us younger just how exactly?
winn + nick are obviously placeholders - only 1 year deals.
cash has his eyes set on this winter for more long term solutions.
Damon would have been a 1 year placeholder too... the difference is he's proven in big games, durable & was a perfect fit in this lineup... Winn has been released cuz he couldn't even be a backup OFer for us, & Nick has been putrid all season & is now on the DL... having your sights set on longterm solutions doesn't mean you make bad decisions for short term solutions & be absolved of accountability... & i don't say this as an I Told You So either because i had no problem with the Nick Johnson signing, but that was only when i still thought Damon would be re-signed... when that didn't happen & we saw Nick be Nick as usual getting injured everytime he sneezed, it's proven to be a bad mistake.
we gave up absolutely nothing for javy - i'm sorry, i just don't think melky is worth anything. sure he had a nice year last year, he had a bunch of game-winning hits, but this guy is a 4th outfielder on every single mlb team.
tms, i understand not wanting to deal austin jackson, but really what's the big deal? granderson is a good baseball player and when he was hurt gardener filled in admirably in CF and is doing a fine job in LF. who knows what austin would have done here, but it's not like we're struggling. when your the yankees trading a guy like austin jackson just doesn't mean a whole lot. it sounds vicious but it's the truth.
TMS wrote:Damon would have been a 1 year placeholder too... the difference is he's proven in big games, durable & was a perfect fit in this lineup... Winn has been released cuz he couldn't even be a backup OFer for us, & Nick has been putrid all season & is now on the DL... having your sights set on longterm solutions doesn't mean you make bad decisions for short term solutions & be absolved of accountability... & i don't say this as an I Told You So either because i had no problem with the Nick Johnson signing, but that was only when i still thought Damon would be re-signed... when that didn't happen & we saw Nick be Nick as usual getting injured everytime he sneezed, it's proven to be a bad mistake.
damon turned us down. that's not our fault.
nyk4ever wrote:we gave up absolutely nothing for javy - i'm sorry, i just don't think melky is worth anything. sure he had a nice year last year, he had a bunch of game-winning hits, but this guy is a 4th outfielder on every single mlb team.tms, i understand not wanting to deal austin jackson, but really what's the big deal? granderson is a good baseball player and when he was hurt gardener filled in admirably in CF and is doing a fine job in LF. who knows what austin would have done here, but it's not like we're struggling. when your the yankees trading a guy like austin jackson just doesn't mean a whole lot. it sounds vicious but it's the truth.
the kid looks well on his way toward an Allstar type career, how doesn't it mean a whole lot? if we'd traded Derek Jeter his rookie season it wouldn't have meant a whole lot? i have no idea what you're talking about with that one... kid looks like a very talented young player with a nice bat & plays Gold Glove type defense in a premium position... that might not mean much to you but it means something to me.
& again, we wasted prospects & a big salary on Javy, how did we not give up anything for him? that's just glossing over a mistake to make reason of it in my view... we spent a ton of money on bringing in Javy, Nick Johnson & Randy Winn as stopgaps this year that could have been much better used on re-signing Johnny Damon or even Hideki Matsui... reason it away all you want but it doesn't make this offseason's acquisitions look any better.
djsunyc wrote:TMS wrote:Damon would have been a 1 year placeholder too... the difference is he's proven in big games, durable & was a perfect fit in this lineup... Winn has been released cuz he couldn't even be a backup OFer for us, & Nick has been putrid all season & is now on the DL... having your sights set on longterm solutions doesn't mean you make bad decisions for short term solutions & be absolved of accountability... & i don't say this as an I Told You So either because i had no problem with the Nick Johnson signing, but that was only when i still thought Damon would be re-signed... when that didn't happen & we saw Nick be Nick as usual getting injured everytime he sneezed, it's proven to be a bad mistake.
damon turned us down. that's not our fault.
Cashman & Boras were at an impasse but Cashman did not exactly make it a priority to get Damon back in pinstripes this offseason, that much is clear... a 2 year $14M offer was the only offer we made... Boras hedged on that offer thinking he could get more elsewhere... instead of playing Boras' waiting game, Cashman went ahead & signed Nick Johnson to a 1 year $6M deal to prove some kind of point that he could land a #2 hitter for that level money... he was wrong... Nick Johnson has been a trainwreck this season... Damon had maintained all through the offseason that he wants to stay in NY but wasn't willing to sign a lowball offer after the season he had had... i don't blame him... he was a key reason why the Yankees won a championship last season, put up very good numbers & this was his final chance to land a big contract.
we spent the entire summer haggling with one of our best players over contract negotiations & lost him to another team, & ended up spending about $30M on players that can't hold Johnny Damon's jockstrap, 2 of which have been on the DL for most of the season & another that's already been waived... there's logic for ya.
when we traded for Curtis Granderson i had high hopes, but he hasn't lived up to the trade, that much is clear... he's still young enough & has enough talent to make that deal worthwhile someday, but right now you'd have to say the Tigers got the much better end of that deal... & sorry but Nick Johnson over Johnny Damon as our DH has been a disaster.
Javy V pitched a great game today. Blue Jays offense had been mashing, it was nice to see him shut them down. Boy am I happy the Yanks dealt a bunch of 2nd rate prospects to get him.
Javy in June: 14 IP, 15 K, 5 H, 5 BB, 3 ER. 2 starts, 2 wins.
omg, 2 wins in June. someone break out the Yankeeography.
TMS wrote:omg, 2 wins in June. someone break out the Yankeeography.
Seems like you're digging in your heels at this point and are completely unwilling to give him any credit. You've made up your mind.
Austin Jackson was prolly a mistake, but you know the Yankees are just going to sign Carl Crawford or whomever, so it really doesnt matter. Yanks are good enough to win a title this year.
sebstar wrote:TMS wrote:omg, 2 wins in June. someone break out the Yankeeography.
Seems like you're digging in your heels at this point and are completely unwilling to give him any credit. You've made up your mind.
yeah, until he shows me he can win some big games for us, i've made up my mind... you talk as if this is his first go around here... dude is 5-5 with a ERA in the upper 5's... his career record in postseason play is pitiful... his career #'s vs AL hitting is below average... i'll wait til he shows me something to get excited about before i get excited.
sebstar wrote:Austin Jackson was prolly a mistake, but you know the Yankees are just going to sign Carl Crawford or whomever, so it really doesnt matter. Yanks are good enough to win a title this year.
i'd rather sign Jason Werth.
vasquez has been great the last month.
tex is lucky equity is built up from the world series or he would've been roasted already.
djsunyc wrote:vasquez has been great the last month.tex is lucky equity is built up from the world series or he would've been roasted already.
vazquez has actually been our 3rd best SP in the last month. yesterday was a big game that he sparkled in as well - we had to take that game to avoid the sweep and he came out and pitched great.
tex is really struggling right now. 5k's yesterday is pretty pathetic. I'm not going to be hard on him though, we all know what the guy is capable of, he just needs to get in some extra work and clear his head. it's pretty obvious the crazy shift is really playing with his head though.
nyk4ever wrote:djsunyc wrote:vasquez has been great the last month.tex is lucky equity is built up from the world series or he would've been roasted already.
vazquez has actually been our 3rd best SP in the last month. yesterday was a big game that he sparkled in as well - we had to take that game to avoid the sweep and he came out and pitched great.
tex is really struggling right now. 5k's yesterday is pretty pathetic. I'm not going to be hard on him though, we all know what the guy is capable of, he just needs to get in some extra work and clear his head. it's pretty obvious the crazy shift is really playing with his head though.
I won't kill Tex over this just yet either, because his defense has still been fantastic...but his struggles are coming at key points in the game. At what point do you drop him in the line up?
He doesnt get paid 180 million to hit like Ray Ordonez. I dont give a damn how good his glove is, or what he did last year.
I dont know why Yankee fans are treating him with kid gloves.
sebstar wrote:He doesnt get paid 180 million to hit like Ray Ordonez. I dont give a damn how good his glove is, or what he did last year.I dont know why Yankee fans are treating him with kid gloves.
so let me get this straight... we should be dogging Teixeira out right now even after he played an integral role in us winning a championship last year & has been in the running for the MVP pretty much every year he's been in the majors, but i should be more patient with Javier Vazquez who hasn't proven a thing in his entire career other than the fact that he could strike guys out in a weak hitting NL & implode in playoff games?
TMS - I'm a fan of your posts and your perspective, but exactly how many months have to go by until you stop talking about what we gave away and who we didn't sign? Just let me know so I can mark it on my calendar and begin looking at this thread again. It is what it is...Nick Johnson sucks and is always hurt, Vazquez is showing up right now, but as DJ said, will ultimately be judged by what he does in October (if we are lucky enough to get there again), Melky, Damon and Jackson no longer wear the pinstripes and Aroldis Chapman is on the Reds. Can we move on?
sebstar wrote:He doesnt get paid 180 million to hit like Ray Ordonez. I dont give a damn how good his glove is, or what he did last year.I dont know why Yankee fans are treating him with kid gloves.
you win a world series, there is built up equity. going nuts over what tex is doing right now is basically not looking at the big picture and is a mindset adopted by many 96'ers (or yankee fans that grew up in the mid 90's and were spoiled by all those championships). there was a period from 82-91 where the yankees were not a good team, a bad franchise, and had alot of drama courtesy of steinbrenner. tex playing bad now is passable since we are still winning.
TMS wrote:sebstar wrote:He doesnt get paid 180 million to hit like Ray Ordonez. I dont give a damn how good his glove is, or what he did last year.I dont know why Yankee fans are treating him with kid gloves.
so let me get this straight... we should be dogging Teixeira out right now even after he played an integral role in us winning a championship last year & has been in the running for the MVP pretty much every year he's been in the majors, but i should be more patient with Javier Vazquez who hasn't proven a thing in his entire career other than the fact that he could strike guys out in a weak hitting NL & implode in playoff games?
I dont get it, Vazquez has bounced back from a rough start and is pitching well as of late. If he was out there still getting slaughtered, I'd be with you, but he isnt. Tex is still terrible.
