Thats nice, but I'll take the words from Theo's mouth from when the Mets played the Red Sox in ST and Theo was interviewed and asked about the situation.
Posted by jaydh:
Thats nice, but I'll take the words from Theo's mouth from when the Mets played the Red Sox in ST and Theo was interviewed and asked about the situation.
i guess sorta like how you took his words to say the Yankees never made an official offer when they obviously did? gotcha.
wang is out for 10 weeks (but i will say the rest of the season).
yanks should remain patient. don't make any stupid trades (and i don't think they will). maybe they get a vet on the cheap and that's it.
but here's my offseason plan and it's a starphuch one...
yanks replace giambi, moose + pettitte's deals w/ tex, cc, and burnett. (all 5 year deals, team option for a 6th).
then you're talking about a starting rotation of: wang, cc, burnett, joba, hughes
that's all kinds of retarded...
i think Burnett would be a good target & he's been on my list of targets for a while now... he's not going to command elite FA dollars but he's got awesome stuff when he's on & at 31 yo isn't a bad gamble to take on... Ben Sheets is another & i'd definitely gauge what his agent wants before going after Burnett if they're both available in the offseason.
we've been talking about who will take over for Joba in the setup role & kids like JB Cox & Melancon have been talked about... this story by Kevin Kernan speaks very highly of David Robertson, another kid in our farm system... i'm thinking this could be the guy to be called up once Dan Geise joins the starting rotation while the Yankees figure out their next move to address the Wang situation.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/06152008/spo...
JOBA II . . . WITH A TWIST
ROBERTSON’S KILLER CURVE WILL CARRY HIM TO BRONX
June 15, 2008 -- THERE are two young relievers on the fast track to Yankee Stadium, one you've heard about - Mark Melancon. The other has been quietly streaking up the ranks. His name is David Robertson.
Remember the name. When you see him pitch, you'll certainly remember the curve ball. That's his out pitch, a pitch that is a lost art to this baseball generation.
"His curve ball is amazing," says one National League scout, who recently saw Robertson pitch. "Combine that with the command of his fastball, and you really have something special."
Robertson, 23, recently was promoted from Double-A Trenton to Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. Last June, I wrote about another young pitcher in the Yankees New York Yankees system who was better than Phil Hughes Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy, even though those two pitchers were getting all the pub. His name was Joba Chamberlain.
Robertson is not in the same speed class as Chamberlain, but he could wind up inheriting his setup role in the bullpen. He's that talented.
"He might be the guy," GM Brian Cashman says of Robertson.
"I'm just trying to do my job and get to the big leagues," Robertson says. He pitched two more shutout innings Wednesday night in a win at Richmond, where four of his six outs were strikeouts. Heading into the weekend over 422/3 minor-league innings, Robertson registered 60 strikeouts and just 18 walks. He had not allowed a home run. His ERA was 1.69 and Triple-A hitters were batting .133 against him.
Those are numbers that make you take notice.
It's interesting to note how Robertson perfected his curve ball. Robertson is on the small side - "I'm 6-foot in spikes," he says with a laugh - but he is sneaky fast in the 91-92 range. Opposing hitters say it looks more like 97-98.
A big reason for that is the command of the fastball and the ability to locate it on either side of the plate coupled with the knee-buckling curve.
"He has a devastating curve ball," Cashman says. And get this; the right-hander was a 17th-round draft pick out of Alabama in 2006, the same draft that produced Chamberlain. At Alabama, they had him junk his curve ball after his freshman year and go to a slider. The Yankees liked his makeup and his stuff, and one of the area scouts knew he had thrown the curve his freshman year.
In the summer of 2006, Robertson played in the Cape Cod League. Two big things happened there. He met his fiancée Erin Cronin, and he rediscovered his curve ball. One day, Yankees VP of amateur scouting Damon Oppenheimer got a call from the manager of the Yarmouth-Dennis Red Sox, Scott Pickler, a longtime friend.
"He said, 'Your guy is the real deal,' " Oppenheimer recalls. " 'We brought his curve ball back and he's doing great.' "
Josh Fields, the Mariners' first-round pick in 2008, was that team's closer, but by the end of the season, Robertson was closing the door on opponents.
"I saw him pitch three or four times up there and he was dominating," Oppenheimer says. By the end of August, the Yankees signed Robertson.
During his first year in the minors in 2007 at three different levels, he compiled an 8-3 record with an 0.96 ERA and 113 strikeouts over 841/3 innings. Beyond the numbers, Oppenheimer says, "The guy doesn't scare and he continues to perform."
"I loved playing in the Cape," Robertson says of his time with Yarmouth-Dennis, which won the championship that summer. He's going to get married in October of 2009.
"I still need to improve my changeup," he says.
So does Joba.
Robertson grew up in Alabama and in true Crimson Tide fashion is a graduate of Paul W. Bryant High School. His mom has a nursing background. His father is in the labor-intensive wholesale flower business. Robertson often helped his father and says the best thing about that job was "quitting time."
The way he's pitching now, his new job may soon be part of the Bridge to Mariano.
[Edited by - TMS on 06-17-2008 12:26 AM]
Red Sox loss today brings the Yanks to only 5.5 games back in the AL East w/91 games left to play in the season.
another encouraging factoid, the Yanks are 1 of only 4 teams in baseball w/a winning record on the road (LAA, PHI & STL being the other 3).
Burnett's inconsistent and injury prone. I would not give him a 5 year deal.
Posted by Bonn1997:
Burnett's inconsistent and injury prone. I would not give him a 5 year deal.
i know what you're saying...but there's no cap in baseball. yanks can spend and if they got 4 useless years out of pavano, then burnett's 5 years won't be that bad...
Posted by TMS:
Posted by jaydh:
Thats nice, but I'll take the words from Theo's mouth from when the Mets played the Red Sox in ST and Theo was interviewed and asked about the situation.
i guess sorta like how you took his words to say the Yankees never made an official offer when they obviously did? gotcha.
that was the twins GM, but i could care less how uninformed you are.
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Burnett's inconsistent and injury prone. I would not give him a 5 year deal.
i know what you're saying...but there's no cap in baseball. yanks can spend and if they got 4 useless years out of pavano, then burnett's 5 years won't be that bad...
IDK. TMS tells me that the Yankees don't have unlimited resources!
no team has unlimited resources, not even the Yankees.
Good day for the Yankees. Easy win. Good start from Pettitte and the offense is still humming. Giambi is making a serious case to be an All Star. Alfredo Aceves, some guy they pulled from the Mexican League and is tearing through AA ball, pitched 8 innings tonight while giving up only one hit. They aren't the Mets.
As for those Mets, they rightfully get crucified for the piss poor job they did hanging Randolph out to dry, their GM looks like an incompetent and total buffoon trying to spin the situation, their plan to do it the day Santana is scheduled to pitch backfires as the Angels easily handle him and Reyes gets hurt leading off the game with a single and has to be removed from the game.
I want to go to sleep but I'm afraid to miss another major 3 AM announcement from the Mets.
5 in a row... 8 of the last 10... best in the majors over that stretch.
right now the Yanks are the hottest team in baseball.
[Edited by - TMS on 06-18-2008 12:11 AM]
Posted by TMS:
5 in a row... 8 of the last 10... best in the majors over that stretch.
right now the Yanks are the hottest team in baseball.
[Edited by - TMS on 06-18-2008 12:11 AM]
I'm happy to see the team winning but they are beating up on bad teams right now.
there are only a select amount of good teams in baseball... do u think good teams only beat up on good teams? u gotta beat who you're playing that day bottomline & the Yanks are doing it now in convincing fashion no less... 2 straight shutouts, the offense has been pretty awesome, bullpen is doing their job nicely, we're getting great starting pitching & they've been playing great defense... we haven't accomplished anything yet but if you don't get encouraged by the way they've been playing of late u probably haven't been watching the games.
Posted by TMS:
there are only a select amount of good teams in baseball... do u think good teams only beat up on good teams? u gotta beat who you're playing that day bottomline & the Yanks are doing it now in convincing fashion no less... 2 straight shutouts, the offense has been pretty awesome, bullpen is doing their job nicely, we're getting great starting pitching & they've been playing great defense... we haven't accomplished anything yet but if you don't get encouraged by the way they've been playing of late u probably haven't been watching the games.
No, I've been watching. We have different standards. I can tell you'd be happy if this team just made it to the playoffs and lost in the 1st round again. I'm not interested in merely repeating the last few years.
Posted by islesfan:
Good day for the Yankees. Easy win. Good start from Pettitte and the offense is still humming. Giambi is making a serious case to be an All Star. Alfredo Aceves, some guy they pulled from the Mexican League and is tearing through AA ball, pitched 8 innings tonight while giving up only one hit. They aren't the Mets.
As for those Mets, they rightfully get crucified for the piss poor job they did hanging Randolph out to dry, their GM looks like an incompetent and total buffoon trying to spin the situation, their plan to do it the day Santana is scheduled to pitch backfires as the Angels easily handle him and Reyes gets hurt leading off the game with a single and has to be removed from the game.
I want to go to sleep but I'm afraid to miss another major 3 AM announcement from the Mets.
the good thing is that i don't think cash is going to feel the pressure of making a move this season. i think he has so many young pitchers that he's going to use this as an opportunity to see what they got. and i'm glad they are...unless they can get someone on the cheap. and getting hughes back in august would be something like a midseason deal.
looks like wang might be done for the year so that's a huge loss.
giambi's #'s are kind of retarded...may have to exercise the option for next season.
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
5 in a row... 8 of the last 10... best in the majors over that stretch.
right now the Yanks are the hottest team in baseball.
[Edited by - TMS on 06-18-2008 12:11 AM]
I'm happy to see the team winning but they are beating up on bad teams right now.
You play who your schedule tells you to play. All you can do is try to win those games. That's what they're doing. The Red Sox and Tampa are going to be playing those same teams so why should the Yankees apologize for playing and winning those games?
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
there are only a select amount of good teams in baseball... do u think good teams only beat up on good teams? u gotta beat who you're playing that day bottomline & the Yanks are doing it now in convincing fashion no less... 2 straight shutouts, the offense has been pretty awesome, bullpen is doing their job nicely, we're getting great starting pitching & they've been playing great defense... we haven't accomplished anything yet but if you don't get encouraged by the way they've been playing of late u probably haven't been watching the games.
No, I've been watching. We have different standards. I can tell you'd be happy if this team just made it to the playoffs and lost in the 1st round again. I'm not interested in merely repeating the last few years.
In a transition year with their starting pitching, and now with a season ending injury to their ace, why do you expect that much? Try not to base it on previous seasons.
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
there are only a select amount of good teams in baseball... do u think good teams only beat up on good teams? u gotta beat who you're playing that day bottomline & the Yanks are doing it now in convincing fashion no less... 2 straight shutouts, the offense has been pretty awesome, bullpen is doing their job nicely, we're getting great starting pitching & they've been playing great defense... we haven't accomplished anything yet but if you don't get encouraged by the way they've been playing of late u probably haven't been watching the games.
No, I've been watching. We have different standards. I can tell you'd be happy if this team just made it to the playoffs and lost in the 1st round again. I'm not interested in merely repeating the last few years.
In a transition year with their starting pitching, and now with a season ending injury to their ace, why do you expect that much? Try not to base it on previous seasons.
We should have had a transition year about 5 years ago. If this is a transition year (which I haven't heard any member of the Yankees' organization say), then it points to failures in the long-term planning throughout the decade. It took three consecutive first round playoff losses for them to realize they needed a transition? I'd rather have a GM that is proactive.
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by islesfan:
Good day for the Yankees. Easy win. Good start from Pettitte and the offense is still humming. Giambi is making a serious case to be an All Star. Alfredo Aceves, some guy they pulled from the Mexican League and is tearing through AA ball, pitched 8 innings tonight while giving up only one hit. They aren't the Mets.
As for those Mets, they rightfully get crucified for the piss poor job they did hanging Randolph out to dry, their GM looks like an incompetent and total buffoon trying to spin the situation, their plan to do it the day Santana is scheduled to pitch backfires as the Angels easily handle him and Reyes gets hurt leading off the game with a single and has to be removed from the game.
I want to go to sleep but I'm afraid to miss another major 3 AM announcement from the Mets.
the good thing is that i don't think cash is going to feel the pressure of making a move this season. i think he has so many young pitchers that he's going to use this as an opportunity to see what they got. and i'm glad they are...unless they can get someone on the cheap. and getting hughes back in august would be something like a midseason deal.
looks like wang might be done for the year so that's a huge loss.
giambi's #'s are kind of retarded...may have to exercise the option for next season.
I think they saw what was out there and what trades were being offered after Wang went down and came to the easy conclusion that they have to hold the fort with what they already have in their system. It's the smart move. Like you said, unless they can get someone on the cheap, they should just hold off on trades.
They have an easy schedule through July, with a ton of home games, I think they can weather the storm until Hughes and Kennedy come back.
I'm happy for Giambi that he's getting his game back but I don't trust it and wouldn't count on it for next year. Assuming they get Texeira, there wouldn't be any room for Giambi anyway with Damon and Matsui on the books for another year.
