from SI.com:
The Mariners have reportedly asked the Yankees for Melky Cabrera and Brett Gardner in a deal for Jarrod Washburn.
Apparently, they're also not looking to be saddled with Kei Igawa's contract. The Mariners have plenty of money, so they can hold out for an offer they like rather than simply dump Washburn's contract. However, this is a guy who is 22-38 with a 4.55 ERA over the last three years despite working in a pitcher's park. He wouldn't make the $10 million he's due next year if he were a free agent.
Now I'm not the biggest Melky fan(I love his defense, but I don't think he'll ever be more than a 4th outfielder Endy Chavez type) but no way I would do that deal.
Now I'm not the biggest Melky fan(I love his defense, but I don't think he'll ever be more than a 4th outfielder Endy Chavez type) but no way I would do that deal.
Agree 100%
NEW YORK -- According to SI.com's Jon Heyman, the Yankees have acquired outfielder Xavier Nady and reliever Damaso Marte from the Pirates for Jose Tabata, Ross Ohlendorf and two other minor league prospects.
While the trade has been agreed upon, according to Heyman, nothing will become official until all six players have been granted medical clearance.
Posted by djsunyc:
NEW YORK -- According to SI.com's Jon Heyman, the Yankees have acquired outfielder Xavier Nady and reliever Damaso Marte from the Pirates for Jose Tabata, Ross Ohlendorf and two other minor league prospects.
While the trade has been agreed upon, according to Heyman, nothing will become official until all six players have been granted medical clearance.
Wow, thats a friggen steal!
Tabata was a top prospect.
Tabata has had some character issues and Jackson had passed him. With Matsui's situation up in the air the Yanks needed a corner OF badly. Nady has been a stud this year- .920 OPS and .330-12-57. Marte has been a solid lefty reliever. Yanks really bolstered the big league club with this move.
I was pretty down on Ohlendorf.
Kay, Leiter, and Cone have been discussing the trade during the BoSox game. They said Phil Coke was one of the prospects being sent to Pitt.
They're all loving the trade if it goes through, hard not to.
ok, it's now tabata + ohlendorf + coke + kontos. 3 pitchers + 1 OF.
tabata is a prime prospect but there were issues with attitude and he hasn't done great in the minors.
good trade for the yanks as nady will be the everyday LF, damon moves to everyday DH. posada probably gets surgery. and marte is an AWESOME lefty arm...
Coke and Kontos were fungible as far as the Yankees were concerned. They had a lot of pitching prospects ahead of them, even if they aren't bad prospects.
Tabata hasn't developed his power yet and was hitting really crappy this year. Like a .630 OPS.
I agree DJ. The acquisition of Nady definitely means that Posada is going to have surgery.
Man, I still can't believe this trade was done, what a damn steal.
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by djsunyc:
NEW YORK -- According to SI.com's Jon Heyman, the Yankees have acquired outfielder Xavier Nady and reliever Damaso Marte from the Pirates for Jose Tabata, Ross Ohlendorf and two other minor league prospects.
While the trade has been agreed upon, according to Heyman, nothing will become official until all six players have been granted medical clearance.
Wow, thats a friggen steal!
not really... Tabata is a very good prospect & Nady, tho having a great year, has not been a very good player historically throughout his career... Marte is nice but not worth a top prospect... i woulda wanted Jason Bay if we were giving up a Jose Tabata... i'm just whatever on this trade to tell u the truth... if they go on to get to the WS then it's a good trade, but if not & Tabata turns out to be the goods then u gotta seriously rethink whether it was a good move or not.
credit to cash for stocking up the far to pull off a trade like this.
tms, i look at nady coming to ny and becoming a better hitter (ala brosius)...he's played here before and he's done well. mets have yet to replace him on the team.
Posted by VDesai:
Coke and Kontos were fungible as far as the Yankees were concerned. They had a lot of pitching prospects ahead of them, even if they aren't bad prospects.
Tabata hasn't developed his power yet and was hitting really crappy this year. Like a .630 OPS.
Tabata's only 19 years old... he woulda taken a couple years to develop but u can't give up on a kid w/his potential for a mediocre veteran like Nady... look at his past history, he's not all that good of a ballplayer... the Pirates got back great value in this deal if u ask me... it's not a steal from our standpoint, if anything it's a total wait & see.
[Edited by - TMS on 07-25-2008 5:50 PM]
Posted by djsunyc:
tms, i look at nady coming to ny and becoming a better hitter (ala brosius)...he's played here before and he's done well. mets have yet to replace him on the team.
Nady's OK, but really what's his role past this season? does he become a 4th OFer? is he better than Bobby Abreu or Hideki Matsui? this is a trade to go for it right now & is not in line w/Cashman's plan to keep on the path of stockpiling young talent for the future... Marte is the guy i'm excited to get in this deal to be honest... Nady will help but past this season what good is he is my question.
Posted by TMS:
Posted by VDesai:
Coke and Kontos were fungible as far as the Yankees were concerned. They had a lot of pitching prospects ahead of them, even if they aren't bad prospects.
Tabata hasn't developed his power yet and was hitting really crappy this year. Like a .630 OPS.
Tabata's only 19 years old... he woulda taken a couple years to develop but u can't give up on a kid w/his potential for a mediocre veteran like Nady... look at his past history, he's not all that good of a ballplayer... the Pirates got back great value in this deal if u ask me... it's not a steal from our standpoint, if anything it's a total wait & see.
[Edited by - TMS on 07-25-2008 5:50 PM]
Nady has been straight raking this year. In the past what made him mediocre was that he had trouble against righty pitching (he's good against lefties), but this year he's evened that out quite a bit and is having a real nice year. Yanks are riding the hot hand and really needed a bat in the corner OF right now. Marte is obviously a solid addition as well. Hate to have to sell low on Tabata, but his value dipped considerably this year. He hasn't hit in a while.
yeah, the loss is tabata...we'll find out how good he will be in 4 or 5 years...
like i said Nady's having a great year but past history tells me this is more of the exception rather than the norm for him... i think he's a nice role player guy & will be a good piece to have but at the cost of 1 of our top prospects i woulda wanted Bay instead, just MHO... like u said we're selling low on Tabata, which isn't a good thing if u ask me.
Posted by TMS:
not really... Tabata is a very good prospect & Nady, tho having a great year, has not been a very good player historically throughout his career... Marte is nice but not worth a top prospect... i woulda wanted Jason Bay if we were giving up a Jose Tabata... i'm just whatever on this trade to tell u the truth... if they go on to get to the WS then it's a good trade, but if not & Tabata turns out to be the goods then u gotta seriously rethink whether it was a good move or not.
Totally disagree TMS.
Tabata had a ton of issues, he's been suspended a few times and heres a little blurb on one of the reasons he was suspended most recently.
Could not agree more with a scouting report I saw on Jose Tabata that says he tends to turn his talent on and off. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen him make no effort on catchable balls that are hit right at him that end up landing. Anthony Hatch hit a ball off of Melancon in the 5th that was right to him, but he barely moved and watched it land about three feet in front of him. I hate to rip the guy, but enough already…
Nady is a solid platoon starting OF'er and he's going to be solid here, hitting around 7th or 8th in the order, he should really do well there. He's also already played in NY and knows how to deal with the fan, media whatever. The bottomline here is that the Yankees held onto all their top-propsects and I say that because Tabata was not deemed one with all his recent run-ins. Austin Jackson had passed him as the top OF prospect.
[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-25-2008 8:59 PM]
Posted by TMS:
like i said Nady's having a great year but past history tells me this is more of the exception rather than the norm for him... i think he's a nice role player guy & will be a good piece to have but at the cost of 1 of our top prospects i woulda wanted Bay instead, just MHO... like u said we're selling low on Tabata, which isn't a good thing if u ask me.
He might not bounce back and the org has been concerned about his character issues. I think the arrow is pointed up on Nady. If his hitting against righties has truly improved (as it seems to have), he could be a very solid hitter from now going forward. Once upon a time he was one of the best hitters in college baseball. Adding a .930 OPS and .330 batting average into the corner OF helps a great deal this year with Matsui and Posada up in the aire. The Yankees are right there in contention for first and could be even closer after this series.
And jeez, how much of a stud is Joba- its awesome that this is only the beginning.
for Nady & Marte i woulda offered at most a package of Alberto Gonzalez, Justin Christian, Ohlendorff & a minor leaguer like Steven White or Jeff Marquez.
character issues or not, Tabata's got superstar potential & he's still a little kid... how many mature 19 yo's do you know? even if he has no future on this team he still has more value than a journeyman veteran OFer & a situational lefty reliever, let's be honest... we sold low on Tabata like V said & i'm not all that thrilled about it to be honest.
[Edited by - TMS on 07-25-2008 6:06 PM]
