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HofstraBBall wrote:Semantics and failure to convey main point aside , think we both agree that Musk’s only goal is to make more money. And will say or promote those who make that possible. Regardless of ethics, morals and any other value.
he wants more power
WASHINGTON, Oct 25 (Reuters Breakingviews) - Biting the hand that feeds you typically makes for a poor business strategy, but perhaps Elon Musk just has a stronger risk tolerance. Despite his core businesses in electric vehicles, batteries, solar panels, and space exploration benefiting significantly from Biden administration policies and investments, the billionaire has made the election a must-win for himself and his expanding global ambitions. A win for Donald Trump would likely give Musk immense power behind the throne to steer U.S. policy, including to the benefit of his companies. But a Kamala Harris win would jeopardize Musk’s lucrative government contracts, especially if he is seen as a threat to national security, an argument that’s easier for Democrats to make following a Wall Street Journal report, opens new tab that Musk has been in contact with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Jeff Bezo's owns it.
They have big contracts with Gov't thru AWS.
Amazon has a responsibility to shareholders. and with consumers looking for a reason to live like to spew its opinions (LOL!) on supporting or boycotting based on its values.
Essentially if we are a country divided then why piss off 50% of customers. Washington POst endorses Harris, Fox gets ahold of that, Social Medio bots activate and piss off Amazon customers and before you know it its a frenzy.
We see this over and over. Look at Disney? Biggest employer in Florida and they come out and say they support its gay employees and Desantis goes off.
Hobby Lobby bans birthcontrol to its employees and they labeled as awful.
Chick Fil la, a private company supports conservative groups and got slammed for it.
Public corp. have an obigation to shareholders to protect its business. Employees want to know where its leadership stands.
I get why they must remain neutral.
Im not upset that Washington post stays neutral, perhaps they can maintain journalistic integrity by doing so.
Quite frankly I cannot turn on Fox news for 10 min without getting my blood boiling by the editorial slant. Cnn is devoted to slamming GOP and little is learned from it.
Nalod wrote:Washington Post not endorsing anyone.
Jeff Bezo's owns it.
They have big contracts with Gov't thru AWS.
Amazon has a responsibility to shareholders. and with consumers looking for a reason to live like to spew its opinions (LOL!) on supporting or boycotting based on its values.
Essentially if we are a country divided then why piss off 50% of customers. Washington POst endorses Harris, Fox gets ahold of that, Social Medio bots activate and piss off Amazon customers and before you know it its a frenzy.
We see this over and over. Look at Disney? Biggest employer in Florida and they come out and say they support its gay employees and Desantis goes off.
Hobby Lobby bans birthcontrol to its employees and they labeled as awful.
Chick Fil la, a private company supports conservative groups and got slammed for it.
Public corp. have an obigation to shareholders to protect its business. Employees want to know where its leadership stands.
I get why they must remain neutral.
Im not upset that Washington post stays neutral, perhaps they can maintain journalistic integrity by doing so.
Quite frankly I cannot turn on Fox news for 10 min without getting my blood boiling by the editorial slant. Cnn is devoted to slamming GOP and little is learned from it.
Neutral? How about anti democratic? They are a national news media organization. Or perhaps they are not really?
You think staying ”neutral” is journalistic integrity? I find that utter bullshit, especially after you acknowledge they are doing this purposely for business reasons.
That’s hypocrisy well defined.
NO, they LOST journalistic integrity by doing so
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martin wrote:Nalod wrote:Washington Post not endorsing anyone.
Jeff Bezo's owns it.
They have big contracts with Gov't thru AWS.
Amazon has a responsibility to shareholders. and with consumers looking for a reason to live like to spew its opinions (LOL!) on supporting or boycotting based on its values.
Essentially if we are a country divided then why piss off 50% of customers. Washington POst endorses Harris, Fox gets ahold of that, Social Medio bots activate and piss off Amazon customers and before you know it its a frenzy.
We see this over and over. Look at Disney? Biggest employer in Florida and they come out and say they support its gay employees and Desantis goes off.
Hobby Lobby bans birthcontrol to its employees and they labeled as awful.
Chick Fil la, a private company supports conservative groups and got slammed for it.
Public corp. have an obigation to shareholders to protect its business. Employees want to know where its leadership stands.
I get why they must remain neutral.
Im not upset that Washington post stays neutral, perhaps they can maintain journalistic integrity by doing so.
Quite frankly I cannot turn on Fox news for 10 min without getting my blood boiling by the editorial slant. Cnn is devoted to slamming GOP and little is learned from it.Neutral? How about anti democratic? They are a national news media organization. Or perhaps they are not really?
You think staying ”neutral” is journalistic integrity? I find that utter bullshit, especially after you acknowledge they are doing this purposely for business reasons.
That’s hypocrisy well defined.
NO, they LOST journalistic integrity by doing so
These recent decisions effectively mark the end of the "fourth estate." I would rather see a newspaper shutdown than be forced to turn it's face at what it perceives is the truth. The Post has posted editorials and columnists from people who are obviously full of it the past few years. Now to punt on what has been one of the duties newspapers has carried for centuries is a sign of cowardism. Bozo knew the responsibilities owning the Post would carry. There's an implied separation between the corporate and editorial. He should've purchased a PR rag if this was the route he wanted to go. What's next? No more Erick Adams coverage for fear of repercussions. Maybe tone it down on the McDonald's listeria coverage because they're a major advertiser. Freedom of the press, whether it's freedom from the government or corporate interests, is one of the best defenses of tyranny.
Even this POS paper had the guts to give an endorsement. I don't agree with it and have rarely read anything inside it. But at least their editorial board put it's crappy POV out their for the world to see.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/202...
BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:Washington Post not endorsing anyone.
Jeff Bezo's owns it.
They have big contracts with Gov't thru AWS.
Amazon has a responsibility to shareholders. and with consumers looking for a reason to live like to spew its opinions (LOL!) on supporting or boycotting based on its values.
Essentially if we are a country divided then why piss off 50% of customers. Washington POst endorses Harris, Fox gets ahold of that, Social Medio bots activate and piss off Amazon customers and before you know it its a frenzy.
We see this over and over. Look at Disney? Biggest employer in Florida and they come out and say they support its gay employees and Desantis goes off.
Hobby Lobby bans birthcontrol to its employees and they labeled as awful.
Chick Fil la, a private company supports conservative groups and got slammed for it.
Public corp. have an obigation to shareholders to protect its business. Employees want to know where its leadership stands.
I get why they must remain neutral.
Im not upset that Washington post stays neutral, perhaps they can maintain journalistic integrity by doing so.
Quite frankly I cannot turn on Fox news for 10 min without getting my blood boiling by the editorial slant. Cnn is devoted to slamming GOP and little is learned from it.Neutral? How about anti democratic? They are a national news media organization. Or perhaps they are not really?
You think staying ”neutral” is journalistic integrity? I find that utter bullshit, especially after you acknowledge they are doing this purposely for business reasons.
That’s hypocrisy well defined.
NO, they LOST journalistic integrity by doing so
These recent decisions effectively mark the end of the "fourth estate." I would rather see a newspaper shutdown than be forced to turn it's face at what it perceives is the truth. The Post has posted editorials and columnists from people who are obviously full of it the past few years. Now to punt on what has been one of the duties newspapers has carried for centuries is a sign of cowardism. Bozo knew the responsibilities owning the Post would carry. There's an implied separation between the corporate and editorial. He should've purchased a PR rag if this was the route he wanted to go. What's next? No more Erick Adams coverage for fear of repercussions. Maybe tone it down on the McDonald's listeria coverage because they're a major advertiser. Freedom of the press, whether it's freedom from the government or corporate interests, is one of the best defenses of tyranny.
Even this POS paper had the guts to give an endorsement. I don't agree with it and have rarely read anything inside it. But at least their editorial board put it's crappy POV out their for the world to see.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/202...
The guardrails of democracy are falling off and some of it is on the road already. Fox has lead the way and NYTimes, LATimes and WasPost just took a giant step in that direction.
That is the antithesis of neutrality or journalistic integrity.
Washington Post that employed Woodward and Bernstein if were a right wing paper would not have done Watergate as they researched it. Perhaps they would have buried it for future favors or other compensation.
In todays world a fuck face like Trump rails against media and in turn could cause a boycott by one side and putting its future in jeopardy. Media are for profit.
Trump did try to destroy NPR but they are a non profit. That was evil.
If a billionaire buys a paper for the purpose of furthering its own agenda is not with integrity. Could be left, could be right, but its not going to be fair and balanced.
I want The NY Times to cover both sides of a story fairly.
Nalod wrote:Should newspapers really take a side? Should a newspapers job be to report fairly and accurate? Need it have an endorsement which taints it as right or left?
Washington Post that employed Woodward and Bernstein if were a right wing paper would not have done Watergate as they researched it. Perhaps they would have buried it for future favors or other compensation.
In todays world a fuck face like Trump rails against media and in turn could cause a boycott by one side and putting its future in jeopardy. Media are for profit.
Trump did try to destroy NPR but they are a non profit. That was evil.
If a billionaire buys a paper for the purpose of furthering its own agenda is not with integrity. Could be left, could be right, but its not going to be fair and balanced.
I want The NY Times to cover both sides of a story fairly.
You can’t post over and over and over again about how Trump has zero policy and also had deep classified boxes of secrets laying around and then pivot to Should papers take a side.
Poor framing.
Newspapers don’t need to pick a side here, they just have to open their eyes and say what they are truthfully seeing.
Don’t blink and wonder about what you have to lose. You just blinked.
Nalod wrote:Musk said in recent interview he is "fucked if Harris wins". Not sure why.
Low self esteem maga heads don't buy Teslas.
I have friends that would buy one but are really turned off by Musk and his political stance.LA Times. Like Disney and others, are they just tilting away from taking a stance? Target and Budwiser thought they were doing the right thing but when MAGA jumps in it they end up polarizing customers. Employees do want to know where they stand as it matters to them.
TO be inclusive and tolerant used to be a good thing. Now its can cost you.
He doesn’t want the Tesla factory workers to unionize. That was originally why he went republican and then he just went down a rabbit hole mostly fueled by nonsense Joe Rogan/Jordan Peterson talking points about masculinity being under threat because gay people exist and woman can work
gradyandrew wrote:Philc1 wrote:gradyandrew wrote:Nalod, Dean Baker, a progressive economist, has written how free trade has screwed over the working class. Basically, while trade in manufactured goods was opened to global competition, professionals, like doctors and lawyers, were allowed to keep in place highly protective barriers. A good example he gives is for things like a barber's license. This has caused the post-NAFTA economy to be much more beneficial to college educated than those that aren't. He suggests things like government administered licensing exams as one way to bring down health care costs. The first victims of Trump's rise were free trade Republicans, who have increasingly migrated over to the Democratic party.As far as women vs. men go, abortion is probably the key issue to explain the gender gap.
I think you are ignoring the huge rise in popularity Trump has had amongst black men and Hispanics. His economic arguments are the key here.
Globalization has worked both ways. Yes manufacturing jobs moved overseas but a lot also came here to the US. Mercedes Benz’s biggest factory in the world is in Alabama. Hyundai’s biggest factory is in South Carolina. There was a huge Honda plant right by where I used to live in Indiana. We are at 4% unemployment now - basically anyone who wants a job can get one and get a job that pays fairly well and that applies to non-college educated Americans as well.
The issue isn't the lack of jobs, it's that growth had failed to keep up with inflation, real gdp is down 2.3% under Biden. https://www.factcheck.org/2024/07/bidens...
I love how you can now make up bs stats like “real GDP.” So is there now a stat for “real rebounds” or “real points scored?”
Btw the link you posted if you had actually reviewed it shows all economic/GDP metrics are up significantly under Biden. But yeah, he’s like old and illegal immigrants exist so it doesn’t count
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We live in a world were MAGA cult exists. Social media exists. Twitter exists, etc etc.
news papers are dying and like most businesses they are not going back.
If a paper endorses, gets boycotted then there is one less watchdog of democracy to report what is going on at many levels.
I subscribe to my city paper online but mostly so they can continue. Also The NY Times.
But if Billionaires start being them for there own agendas then we losing objectivity. MAGA heads need to trust some source besides the propaganda they are getting. Bezo's comes out for Harris, they lose a lot of readers.
Nalod wrote:martin wrote:This is my sentimentJavascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://www.twitter.com/maxwelltani/status/1849969352931672498?s=61&t=X2NvaBkjFz8kZPoGlCbCzA
Click here to view the TweetWe live in a world were MAGA cult exists. Social media exists. Twitter exists, etc etc.
news papers are dying and like most businesses they are not going back.
If a paper endorses, gets boycotted then there is one less watchdog of democracy to report what is going on at many levels.
I subscribe to my city paper online but mostly so they can continue. Also The NY Times.But if Billionaires start being them for there own agendas then we losing objectivity. MAGA heads need to trust some source besides the propaganda they are getting. Bezo's comes out for Harris, they lose a lot of readers.
You have a very passive voice.
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-rogan-int...
Donald Trump recently released an interview with one of the most popular podcasters in the world, but some say it could be the thing that will bring the ex-president down.Trump did a long-planned interview with former athlete and current podcaster Joe Rogan, who has been critical of Vice President Kamala Harris.
But a few moments stood out to observers, including one in which Rogan appeared to be laughing at Trump as he accidentally admitted that he lost the 2020 election.
Harris' campaign promoted a clip from the interview in which Rogan seems to be laughing at the former president."
"Trump: I lost by like-- I didn't lose. Rogan: *laughs at him*," the campaign wrote.
The video shows Trump saying, "I don't believe it's this much, but it doesn't matter."
"I won by like-- I lost by like-- I didn't lose, but--" Trump adds before Rogan laughs out loud. "Joe, they say I lost by 22,000 votes."
Artist Art Candee responded to that clip, saying, "Trump is a global embarrassment."
Popular liberal influencer Spiro’s Ghost said, "Joe Rogan asked Donald Trump for specifics on how 2020 was stolen. Then could only laugh at the answer."
Former NBC executive Mike Sington summed up that part of the interview:
“'Are you going to present this ever?' Joe Rogan gives Trump the opportunity to prove his false claim that the 2020 election was stolen, he can’t and instead pivots to Hunter Biden’s laptop. In a classic moment, Trump slips and says 'I lost', and Joe Rogan laughs in his face."
Former Republican lawmaker Denver Riggleman also chimed in on the interview:
"I never expected it: I think [Rogan] brings down Trump," Riggleman said. "Donald’s inability to comprehend and answer questions outside of his ever decompensating weave was on display to millions of 'bros'. Any man listening to that had to be thinking that DT is on the way to 'gone.'"
Harris' official campaign also shared another video with several potentially embarrassing clips from the Rogan interview, labelling it a "trainwreck."
Watch below or click the link.
GustavBahler wrote:We'll see..
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-rogan-int...Donald Trump recently released an interview with one of the most popular podcasters in the world, but some say it could be the thing that will bring the ex-president down.Trump did a long-planned interview with former athlete and current podcaster Joe Rogan, who has been critical of Vice President Kamala Harris.
But a few moments stood out to observers, including one in which Rogan appeared to be laughing at Trump as he accidentally admitted that he lost the 2020 election.
Harris' campaign promoted a clip from the interview in which Rogan seems to be laughing at the former president."
"Trump: I lost by like-- I didn't lose. Rogan: *laughs at him*," the campaign wrote.
The video shows Trump saying, "I don't believe it's this much, but it doesn't matter."
"I won by like-- I lost by like-- I didn't lose, but--" Trump adds before Rogan laughs out loud. "Joe, they say I lost by 22,000 votes."
Artist Art Candee responded to that clip, saying, "Trump is a global embarrassment."
Popular liberal influencer Spiro’s Ghost said, "Joe Rogan asked Donald Trump for specifics on how 2020 was stolen. Then could only laugh at the answer."
Former NBC executive Mike Sington summed up that part of the interview:
“'Are you going to present this ever?' Joe Rogan gives Trump the opportunity to prove his false claim that the 2020 election was stolen, he can’t and instead pivots to Hunter Biden’s laptop. In a classic moment, Trump slips and says 'I lost', and Joe Rogan laughs in his face."
Former Republican lawmaker Denver Riggleman also chimed in on the interview:
"I never expected it: I think [Rogan] brings down Trump," Riggleman said. "Donald’s inability to comprehend and answer questions outside of his ever decompensating weave was on display to millions of 'bros'. Any man listening to that had to be thinking that DT is on the way to 'gone.'"
Harris' official campaign also shared another video with several potentially embarrassing clips from the Rogan interview, labelling it a "trainwreck."
Watch below or click the link.
OMG dude, try to get through the 40 minute call her daddy interview. I've tried 3 times, and each time I get 5 minutes in before wanting to put a gun in my mouth. Kamala's cadence is the worst; you can't end a statement with a lilting upward intonation. You just can't.
Rogan Trump was highly entertaining. "I told Bobby he can do whatever he wants with the food, but you gotta keep him away from the liquid gold."